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Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2017

In the picture of Notable scientific figures. Abdus Salam is named as "first Muslim to win a Nobel prize in science". In fact, he was "first Pakistani to win a Nobel prize in science". He belongs to a minority religion “Ahmadiya" and is not a Muslim according to the law of Pakistan. Please correct this big mistake. Sher Afgan 1 (talk) 10:05, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

 Not done Ahmadiyya are officially, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community or the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama'at - and Abdus Salam cited the Quran in his Nobel prize acceptance speech. He considers himself a Muslim, and left Pakistan in protest against the Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan. On Wikipedia what people self-identify as, is what determines their religion, not what others may try and legislate about. - Arjayay (talk) 17:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

SYNTH

@RegentsPark, Cpt.a.haddock, Chewings72, and Arjayay: None of these sources directly state this claim below. Doesn't this statement conflict with the following Wikipedia policies? WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, WP:UNDUE, and WP:SAS (50.29.103.71 (talk) 03:13, 2 August 2017 (UTC))

The territory that constitutes Pakistan is considered a cradle of civilisation[1][2][3][4][5]

References

  1. ^ Wright 2010:Quote: "The Indus civilization is one of three in the 'Ancient East' that, along with Mesopotamia and Pharonic Egypt, was a cradle of early civilization in the Old World (Childe 1950). Mesopotamia and Egypt were longer lived, but coexisted with Indus civilization during its florescence between 2600 and 1900 B.C. Of the three, the Indus was the most expansive, extending from today's northeast Afghanistan to Pakistan and India."
  2. ^ Feuerstein, Georg; Subhash Kak; David Frawley (1995). In search of the cradle of civilization: new light on ancient India. Wheaton, Illinois: Quest Books. p. 147. ISBN 978-0-8356-0720-9.
  3. ^ Yasmeen Niaz Mohiuddin, Pakistan: a global studies handbook. ABC-CLIO publishers, 2006, ISBN 1-85109-801-1
  4. ^ "Archaeologists confirm Indian civilization is 2000 years older than previously believed". globalpost.com. 16 November 2012.
  5. ^ Jennings, Justin (15 April 2016). "Killing Civilization: A Reassessment of Early Urbanism and Its Consequences". UNM Press – via Google Books.

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Article length

This article is currently over 400KB in size. WP:SIZE says "Articles of more than 200 kB (~30 pages) exist for topics that require depth and detail, but it's typical that articles of such size get split into two or more sub-articles."

I'd like to get this article under 300KB if at all possible. Any suggestions for content that can be reduced / moved to sub-pages? Power~enwiki (talk) 01:36, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

  • The "Role of Islam in Pakistan" seems to be entirely a POV fork of "History" and "Demographics / Religion". Any objections to removing that section and merging any material not already present into one of those two sections? Power~enwiki (talk) 01:44, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I've made that change. I didn't see any material that needed merging; the "Independence and modern Pakistan" section may be better off with a new heading immediately before "Democracy ended with a military coup in 1977 against the leftist PPP" and a few links (Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq's Islamization) added as See Also. Power~enwiki (talk) 04:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

An IP editor (103.255.6.254) made the following unsigned comment:

its alrite look at America page is 377 701 kb https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States&action=info
If you want please delete these small sections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan#Water_supply_and_sanitation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan#Role_of_women_in_Pakistani_society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan#Urbanisation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan#National_parks_and_wildlife_sanctuaries

I note that this page is longer than United States, and that page is also too long. Power~enwiki (talk) 20:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

America's page is long but still a good article. So why not this one? The section you want to cut was agreed on already for inclusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pakistan&direction=next&oldid=756217528#Role_of_Islam_in_Pakistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.255.4.55 (talk)
Two of the three editors in the linked thread say the section is "too long". I don't see any way it can remain as a top-level section or at its current length, if you want to try reducing its size (and possibly moving it from "History" to "Government"), go ahead. If there's no alternate proposal, I still feel deleting it entirely is better than including it in its current form. Power~enwiki (talk) 01:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

@Serols and Fahaddar65: do you have any comments here? Perhaps "Role of Islam in Pakistan" can be edited on a sandbox / talk subpage and moved back when it's done? Power~enwiki (talk) 17:35, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Power~enwiki I have summarised the Role of Islam section and removed other unnecessary sections and paragraphs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fahaddar65 (talk • contribs) 05:52, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello Power~enwiki, for me Fahaddar65 deleted too much and also important sections like Role of women in Pakistani society. This should be stopped and I am not alone with my opinion. --Serols (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

New population stats

While the info box contains a reference to the latest census, the article body still has old figures. Can we update please?

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/asiapacific/2017/08/26/pakistan-now-fifth-most-populous-nation.html

Change in information

Pakistan illegally occupied jammu and kashmir which was a free state in 1947. So it should be mentioned in wikipedia. Dark 1997 (talk) 09:18, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:01, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Indic language in lead are not allowed, please fix lead

Please be aware that Indic scripts are not allowed in the lead, see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India#Indic_scripts_in_lead. (IN the India article, it is already fixed.)

The lead should be fixed for this. --92.105.68.89 (talk) 10:46, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

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government

Shouldn't the words "constitutional republic" in the government section of the infobox have a link on them? (24.205.83.199 (talk) 02:43, 8 December 2017 (UTC))

Picture of Military dictator that over throw govt and suspended democracy, should be removed.

There is a picture of Military dictator that over threw a democratically elected govt. selecting a particularly controversial picture is in appropriate. It is not necessary to show picture of a controversial military dictator. It can be mentioned as a historical event. However highlighting picture of a military dictator, who is facing court and legal charges for coup and is highly controversial, is not appropriate. It is suggested to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harisrashid (talk • contribs) 22:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Population of Pakistan needs correction

Has Pakistan surpassed Brazil to become the fifth largest country by population? Wikipedia a list of countries by population disagrees... Cloud Colonel (talk) 22:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

the answer is yes, and the linked page indicates it. It's a different list that is outdated. I don't know how to delete commenya but just ignore this haha Cloud Colonel (talk) 22:27, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

This information is unsourced. The Wikipedia page says it has reached 209 million, but the source given is the page of the Census 2017, and the Census 2017 says that Pakistan has arrived at 207 million people (https://tribune.com.pk/story/1490674/57-increase-pakistans-population-19-years-shows-new-census/), whereas Brazil has 208 million. The population of Pakistan in this page needs correction, it does not provide source confirming the number displayed (209 million). 195.25.191.145 (talk) 15:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Mandarin is NOT an official language of Pakistan

The information that Mandarin is a recognised language of Pakistan is wrong! It is fake news, which has somehow entered wikipedia: http://zeenews.india.com/world/to-enhance-cpec-communication-pakistan-makes-chinas-mandarin-an-official-language-2082590.html

Hence, it should be removed quickly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanelli (talk • contribs) 02:19, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Done. Jack N. Stock (talk) 02:42, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Remove The "Afghan" From Durrani Empire

As a PAKTHUN Citizen Of Pakistan, I have an issue with this description in the opening paragraphs here and it is misleading. There was never an actual Afghan Empire but a bunch of Pashtun tribes completing with each other for power; thus in the end the Durrani Tribe succeeded in solidifying power in the region. It was called the Durrani Empire and not Afghan Empire, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.242.34.248 (talk) 15:06, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Can someone kindly look into this issue and edit the word "Afghan" out of the paragraph, thank you.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2018

HaiderYaseen11 (talk) 12:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 12:43, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Remove Imran Khan and Mustafa kamal from president and prime minister

Imran Khan is listed as the president and Mustafa Kamal as the prime minister Hassanfawan (talk) 18:45, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Corrected. Jack N. Stock (talk) 19:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Remove Punjabi as official language

Punjabi is not a official language rather it is a provincial language. Zai97 (talk) 15:04, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. Sources do not support it as an official language. Ravensfire (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Question about the english anthem text

--195.1.145.68 (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I played back the lyrics and found this as part of the en-US translation text:

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00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 Ofuck you pakistan

I've removed the anthem. Thanks for pointing that out. Will someone with the technical skills and (if necessary) knowledge of Urdu please fix the text. --regentspark (comment) 16:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Please anyone add the national anthem for Pakistan and the audio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by E1123f (talk • contribs) 14:01, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

The English lyrics are back to normal and I've put audio back. SS Aduka (talk) 04:37, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2018

0.681 is the Pakistan's current HDI as per latest UNDP report. source http://www.pk.undp.org/content/dam/pakistan/docs/HDR/PK-NHDR.pdf 61.5.134.30 (talk) 09:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Special note: The citation in the article seems to reference a 2016 figure, so 2015 seems to be outdated. If I am incorrect, please correct me. Cocohead781 (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Karara

Karara is a land in Pakistan that can be found in Mirpuer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Changes987 (talk • contribs) 03:11, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Updating

The demograpgic i.e religion and ethnic groups,etc need to be updated according to 2017 latest census. Most of the info are not update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.43.87.179 (talk) 08:34, 1 June 2018 (UTC) The ethnic group and languages are not correct. Here is latest and official census reult. These things should be updated accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.43.87.179 (talk) 08:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2018

hi i want to make some change. A fact has been twisted badly. Arrshadkhan (talk) 23:48, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. JTP (talk • contribs) 01:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2018

2001:16A2:1597:7D00:F990:36A6:530B:A97A (talk) 17:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: as you have not requested a change.
Please request your change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:52, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

"Drives on the" term is wrong.

In top of page, where there is a table of major terms on right hand side. The term "Drives on the" has been set as left, which is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alirazadar (talk • contribs) 00:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2018

45.116.232.33 (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Danski454 (talk) 18:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2018

Umera147 (talk) 02:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

The New Prime Minister of Pakistan is Imran Khan

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2018

SOME TYPOGRAPHICAL AND GRAMMAR CORRECTIONS TO THE PAKISTAN ARTICLE

Section titled: Government and Politics

In 2nd paragraph of section (current form)

Almost all appointed officers in the judicature, military, chairman joint chiefs, and joint staff, and legislature require the executive confirmation from the Prime Minister, whom the President must consult, by law.

Add ‘the’ before ‘chairman’; Delete ‘and’ before ‘joint staff’; Delete comma after ‘consult’ to make:

In 2nd paragraph of section (corrected form)

Almost all appointed officers in the judicature, military, the chairman joint chiefs, joint staff, and legislature require the executive confirmation from the Prime Minister, whom the President must consult by law.

In 4th paragraph of section (current form)

Chief Ministers oversees the provincial governments and head the provincial cabinet, it is common in Pakistan to have different ruling parties or coalitions in each provinces. The provincial bureaucracy is headed by the Chief Secretary, who is appointed by the Prime Minister of Pakistan. The provincial assemblies have power to make laws and approve provincial budget which is commonly presented by the provincial finance minister every fiscal year. Provincial governors who play role as the ceremonial head of province are appointed by the President.[205]

Change comma after ‘cabinet’ to a period mark and Capitalize ‘I’ in ‘it’; Add ‘of the’ after ‘each’; Add ‘the’ after ‘approve’; Change ‘who play role as the ceremonial head of… ‘ to ‘who are the ceremonial heads of …’ to make:

In 4th paragraph of section (corrected form)

Chief Ministers oversees the provincial governments and head the provincial cabinet. It is common in Pakistan to have different ruling parties or coalitions in each of the provinces. The provincial bureaucracy is headed by the Chief Secretary, who is appointed by the Prime Minister of Pakistan. The provincial assemblies have power to make laws and approve the provincial budget which is commonly presented by the provincial finance minister every fiscal year. Provincial governors who are the ceremonial heads of a province are appointed by the President.[205] Greg Stokley (talk) 21:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 05:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Population number is false

Someone changed the total population of Pakistan from 201 to 211 million, making it the 5th largest county by population in the world, but with no real source. The source indicated in the article does not bring the number of 211 million. The Pakistani government had a census in 2017 and arrived at the number of 207 million (it did not count the areas disputed with India such as Kashmir). People at Wikipedia though made up their own maths and wrote everywhere Pakistan has 211 million people because they counted Kashmir, but the Pakistani government itself has only come up with 207 million: https://tribune.com.pk/story/1490674/57-increase-pakistans-population-19-years-shows-new-census/ or https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/world/pakistans-population-surges-to-2078-million/article9831330.ece final number was 207,774,520 people as seen in https://arynews.tv/en/pakistan-population-reaches-207-7-million-census/ 92.184.116.219 (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Too many images

The page is taking too long to load. As an experiment, I removed most of the images on the left side of the page (15 images) to see if it improves matters. There are 25 images which are still kept. Please discuss here how to fix the problem. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Experiments are made in the sandbox not on articles. Maybe you need a better device or internet connection to fix the problem. Son of Kolachi (talk) 21:06, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Upgrading devices / connection is NOT an acceptable answer. Wikipedia strives to work for as many readers as possible, some of which CANNOT upgrade their device or connection. Images are helpful, but too many images are just clutter. Ravensfire (talk) 21:14, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. Moreover, this morning, the Wikipedia server itself was having difficulty serving up the page. I don't think it was a "device" issue.
During the growth phase, articles accumulate a lot of mass. We need to pare them down to size if at all we care about having any readers. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
The article is now 374,209 bytes, which is far too long. No wonder it loads slowly. Many of the notes include very long quotations for one thing. Johnbod (talk) 22:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Agreed, the article is too long and should be shortened.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 00:20, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
A great deal of trivial content as well as many of the repetitive images should be removed. Lorstaking (talk) 07:14, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 August 2018

4th and 5th paragraph from the top should be merged as it is too long. Why mention so much non important stuff in the beginning.

This...

A regional[34][35][36] and middle power,[37][38][39] Pakistan has the sixth-largest standing armed forces in the world and is also a nuclear power as well as a declared nuclear-weapons state, the second in South Asia and the only nation in the Muslim world to have that status. Pakistan has a semi-industrialised economy with a well-integrated agriculture sector and a growing services sector.[40][41] The Pakistani economy is the 24th-largest in the world in terms of purchasing power and the 41st-largest in terms of nominal GDP (World Bank). It is ranked among the emerging and growth-leading economies of the world,[42][43] and is backed by one of the world's largest and fastest-growing middle class.[44][45]

Pakistan's political history since independence has been characterized by periods of military rule, political instability and conflicts with India. The country continues to face challenging problems, including overpopulation, terrorism, poverty, illiteracy, and corruption.[46][47][48][49] Pakistan is a member of the United Nations, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, the Non-Aligned Movement, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, the Commonwealth of Nations, the Economic Cooperation Organisation, the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation, the Developing Eight, and the G20 developing nations, Group of 24, Group of 77, and ECOSOC. It is also an associate member of CERN. Pakistan is a signatory to the Kyoto Protocol, the Paris Agreement, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Should be changed to this...

A regional and middle power, Pakistan has the sixth-largest standing armed forces in the world and is also a nuclear power as well as a declared nuclear-weapons state, the second in South Asia and the only nation in the Muslim world to have that status. Pakistan has a semi-industrialised economy with a well-integrated agriculture sector and a growing services sector. It is ranked among the emerging and growth-leading economies of the world, and is backed by one of the world's largest and fastest-growing middle class. Pakistan's political history since independence has been characterized by periods of military rule, political instability and conflicts with India. The country continues to face challenging problems, including overpopulation, terrorism, poverty, illiteracy, and corruption. Pakistan is a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and the Commonwealth of Nations.

Please somehow cut the crap out. As it is too long. 45.116.233.30 (talk) 11:26, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. — Newslinger talk 09:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 August 2018

Fix needed in the last line of 2nd paragraph from top as it says,

The area has been ruled by numerous empires and dynasties, including the Persian Achaemenid Empire, Alexander III of Macedon, the Indian Mauryan Empire, the Arab Umayyad Caliphate, the Gupta Empire, the Delhi Sultanate, the Mongol Empire, the Mughal Empire, the Afghan Durrani Empire, the Sikh Empire (partially), and, most recently, the British Empire.

It is not chronologically ordered according to the time these empires existed. So it should say,

The area has been ruled by numerous empires and dynasties, including the Persian Achaemenid Empire, Alexander III of Macedon, the Seleucid Empire, the Indian Mauryan Empire, the Gupta Empire, the Arab Umayyad Caliphate, the Delhi Sultanate, the Mongol Empire, the Mughal Empire, the Afghan Durrani Empire, the Sikh Empire (partially), and, most recently, the British Empire.

As the Arab Umayyad Caliphate came after the Gupta Empire in terms of time. I also added the the Seleucid Empire as it ruled area now known as Pakistan. Thank you very much Karachiguy (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I performed this edit request as it didn't seem controversial. However, the Seleucid Empire (312 BC - 63 BC) and the Maurya Empire (322 BC - 180 BC) seem to overlap in time. Presumably this is due to governing different areas of what is now Pakistan. Our article says that the Seleucid Empire ruled Balochistan. EdJohnston (talk) 21:27, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the edit. I think either empire can go first. You decide. Karachiguy (talk) 09:57, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended confirmed protection

@EdJohnston: when is extended confirmed protection going to be lifted? Thank you very much Karachiguy (talk) 06:05, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

At present the WP:ECP is indefinite. During August there was some edit warring by new people and not much use of the talk page, which gives a reason why the protection could be beneficial. If you are not yet extended confirmed but have an idea for a change, you can file a request like the one you used above, which employs {{edit extended-protected}}. EdJohnston (talk) 13:51, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the reply. Karachiguy (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
@EDJohnston: above editor was a sock and has been blocked accordingly.[1] Lorstaking (talk) 18:28, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Infobox "recognized languages" redundant

The infobox's "recognized languages" is redundant. Someone added Arabic. He should've added Arabic to the list that already contains languages such as Punjabi, Sindhi, etc. No point having 2 boxes/sections for recognized languages. 1 box/section is more than enough. Whymustimakeanaccount (talk) 14:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Or maybe it should say "auxiliary language" instead of "recognized language" for Arabic, since it's used for religious/liturgical purposes. Whymustimakeanaccount (talk) 14:14, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Arabic is not spoken in Pakistan and should be removed! Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:15, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. Whymustimakeanaccount (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
I understand that many Pakistanis don`t like Arabs or the Arab language. However, this should not be a reason for deleting the Arabic language in the Infobox. It is true that the Arabic language is not spoken in Pakistan (it doesn`t say in the Infobox that Arabic is a spoken language in Pakistan). Nevertheless, the Arabic language is mentioned in the constitution of Pakistan. The source for this information is mentioned.
So, it doesn`t matter if Arabic is spoken in Pakistan or not. It only matters if the Arabic language is mentioned in the constitution of Pakistan or not.
Maybe you know that 48% of the people in Pakistan speak Punjabi as a first language and only 8% speak Urdu as a first language. But it doesn't make sense to delete Urdu and to mention Punjabi as the official language of Pakistan on Wikipedia. Because it only matters what is mentioned in the constitution of Pakistan and according to the constitution of Pakistan only Urdu and English are the official languages of Pakistan.
The majority in South Sudan still speak Juba Arabic but the government of South Sudan deleted the Arabic language as an official language in 2011. In addition, the Arabs in Israel speak Arabic as their first language but the government of Israel deleted the Arabic language as an official language in 2018. These things are facts no matter if you like it or not.
Wikipedia should be based on facts and it is important to indicate always reliable sources for all information. Wikipedia should not be based on opinions. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense.
Best regards
Tom --Tom112233 (talk) 15:55, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not Pakistani by the way. I'm from an Arab country. Anyway, I think there should be one section in the infobox for recognized languages, instead of two sections. It's redundant to have 2 sections for recognized languages. Or, even better, the 2nd section should be renamed as "auxiliary languages" since we're talking about a religious-related (liturgical) legislation. Whymustimakeanaccount (talk) 17:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello Whymustimakeanaccount,
Thank you very much for your reply. I favour your suggestion with a section "auxiliary languages" in the Infobox. It is a good idea.
Best regards
Tom --Tom112233 (talk) 18:35, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
To say that Arabic is a Recognized language in Pakistan, is a dubious claim. There is an Official language, then there is a National language but no such thing as Recognized language. Article 251 (see below) of the Constitution makes no mention of Arabic. Hence, it must be removed.

Article: 251 National language 251. National language.-(1) The National language of Pakistan is Urdu, and arrangements shall be made for its being used for official and other purposes within fifteen years from the commencing day.

(2) Subject to clause (1), the English language may be used for official purposes until arrangements are made for its replacement by Urdu.

(3) Without prejudice to the status of the National Language, a Provincial Assembly may by law prescribe measure for the teaching, promotion and use of a provincial language in addition to the national language. Son of Kolachi (talk) 19:43, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Son of Kolachi,
Thank you very much for your participation. I like to explain my point of view.
What makes a language an official language of a country? That the population of this country communicates in a certain language? - No. That the people can use this language for official purposes within a country? - No. That this is an indigenous language of the original inhabitant of the country (like the Aboriginal people in Australia or the Inca in South America or the American Indian who are the original inhabitant of North America)? - No. It only matters what is stated in the constitution of a country. It is the same case with national languages. It only depends what is stated in the constitution.
You are right. It is stated in the constitution of Pakistan that "The National language of Pakistan is Urdu, and arrangements shall be made for its being used for official and other purposes within fifteen years from the commencing day." and so on...
Nevertheless, the Arabic language is also stated in the constitution of Pakistan (the source for this information was mentioned). I would say this gives the Arabic language a special status. And if a language has a special status in a country that means that this language is in some way a recognized language in this country.
Do you understand what I mean?
I favour the suggestion of the user "Whymustimakeanaccount". It is a good idea. What do you think?
I would be happy if you reply.
Best regards,
Tom --Tom112233 (talk) 22:15, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect, a mere mention in the Constitution does not make the language official let alone national. The Constitution of South Africa mentions the promotion of Urdu along with many other languages, it does not particularly mean that Urdu is the national language of South Africa. I am sure plenty of other constitutions have sections on language promotion, but that is altogether different from saying that the language has official status at a national level. I have looked the reference by the way, and it only makes passing mention of Arabic, that too in a section on the Islam and Quran. I agree it is far-fetched and misquoting of the source to state Arabic is a national language. Mar4d (talk) 11:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello Mar4d,
Thank you very much for your participation. You are right Arabic is not a national language of Pakistan. I would say the fact that the constitution of Pakistan mentioned the Arabic language gives this language a special status. And if a language has a special status in a country that means that this language is in some way a recognized language in this country. However, that doesn`t mean that this language is a national language.
The Arabic language was an official language of Israel. In 2018, the Knesset canceled Arabic as an official language and gave Arabic a special status of the country Israel by adopting the relevant Basic Law. The Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People (an Israeli Basic Law which specifies the nature of the State of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish People) states in No. 4 (B) that "The Arabic language has a special status in the state." I would say for this reason the Arabic language is in some way a recognized language in this country. But Arabic is not an official national language of Israel.
For the case of Pakistan: I favour the suggestion of the user "Whymustimakeanaccount" (a section "Auxiliary languages" in the Infobox). This is a good idea.
Best regards,
Tom --Tom112233 (talk) 14:55, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
I think constitution of Pakistan is talking about Classical Arabic and not Arabic which has 1000 dialects. 45.116.232.37 (talk) 11:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
It is only mentioned "Arabic" not "Classical Arabic" in the constitution of Pakistan.
Best regards,
Tom --Tom112233 (talk) 16:40, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 September 2018

Arsalan.TA (talk) 12:00, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

No actual edit requested. You need to tell us what you want to change and provide a source for it. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 August 2018

Words regional languages and Auxiliary languages should be linked like this regional languages and Auxiliary languages. 45.116.233.30 (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I tried to wikilink regional languages in the infobox but it gave a template error. It said I was using a nonexistent parameter. Can you figure out how to do this in a sandbox? There is probably a way, but it might need special syntax. I didn't wikilink auxiliary language because that is a WP:disambiguation page. You need to pick one of the meanings listed in the DAB. Deciding on which one to use might need a wider discussion since there has recently been disagreement here about national languages. EdJohnston (talk) 22:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
For auxiliary languages, sacred language would work, like this Auxiliary languages. As Arabic is the sacred language of the Muslims worldwide and Muslims in Pakistan. For regional languages not sure how to do this as I tried all tricks I know but it is defiantly above my pay grade. 45.116.232.37 (talk) 10:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 September 2018

Change "country in South Asia sitting at crossroads of Central Asia, West Asia and East Asia. Thus giving it strategic demographic" section to "Pakistan is a country in South Asia." The former is grammatically off, disjointed, awkward and reflects a POV nationalist disposition to distance Pakistan from its South Asian locale and associate it with other regions such as Central Asia and the Middle East. The non-POV objective consensus among geographers, journalists, academics and Pakistanis themselves is that Pakistan is South Asian. Scarsdale.vibe (talk) 08:56, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done, that should not have been there. Fish+Karate 09:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 September 2018

Well,Dr.Arif Alvi has been sworn in as Pakistan's new president and its says Mamnoon Hussain.We would like a change please. DaillyMMI (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

The article was updated on September 8 to reflect the name of the new president; nowhere in the article does it identify the president of Pakistan as Mamnoon Hussain. You may be looking at a cached copy of the page. See WP:REFRESH. General Ization Talk 17:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 October 2018

Change error: "fifth-most populous country" to "sixth-most populous country" Noahhoward (talk) 23:34, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Should we merge 4th and 5th paragraphs from the top as both mention everything under the sun so it is too long for the lead directly contradicting the MOS:LEAD

I removed some of the unimportant info and came up with this change that is a lot shorter and concise...

A regional[1][2][3] and middle power,[4][5][6] Pakistan has the sixth-largest standing armed forces in the world and is also a nuclear power as well as a declared nuclear-weapons state, the second in South Asia and the only nation in the Muslim world to have that status. Pakistan has a semi-industrialised economy with a well-integrated agriculture sector and a growing services sector.[7][8] It is ranked among the emerging and growth-leading economies of the world,[9][10] and is backed by one of the world's largest and fastest-growing middle class.[11][12] Pakistan's political history since independence has been characterized by periods of military rule, political instability and conflicts with India. The country continues to face challenging problems, including overpopulation, terrorism, poverty, illiteracy, and corruption.[13][14][15][16] Pakistan is a member of the UN, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, the OIC, the Commonwealth of Nations, the SAARC and the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition.

Lets discuss it here if you are for it or against. We might end up with a better edit. 45.116.232.44 (talk) 10:53, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

@L293D, General Ization, ProgrammingGeek, EdJohnston, and Boing! said Zebedee: Can one of you take a look at this issue please. Thank you 2607:9880:4030:15:195B:7A00:6E1B:6CE (talk) 15:17, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

No objections on my part -- seems to cover important factors while maintaining NPOV. Does need some wikilinks however. Will wait for other editors you pinged to chime in before implementation. ProgrammingGeek talktome 15:52, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
I just added the United Nations, South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation, Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition. Also added sources and wikilinks as on the main page. 2607:9880:4030:15:195B:7A00:6E1B:6CE (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for ping; no objection. General Ization Talk 18:54, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2018

I would love to add a bit of infomation about sports in pakistan and writing about the football in pakistan. DaillyMMI (talk) 18:55, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, DaillyMMI.

Unfortunately, this article is under extended confirmed protection, so only editors with 30 days' tenure and 500 edits can edit it. If you'd like to write out the changes on this page, myself or another editor will save them. Thanks! ProgrammingGeek talktome 13:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 November 2018

103.255.5.50 (talk) 19:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Third paragraph from the top has too many details about history for the lead which is contradicting MOS:LEAD

Some of that information can be removed and merged with 2nd paragraph. Everything I have removed is covered in the history section in details.

//////Proposed change to 2nd and 3rd paragraph//////////

The territory that now constitutes Pakistan was the site of several ancient cultures and intertwined with the history of the broader Indian subcontinent. The ancient history involves the Neolithic site of Mehrgarh and the Bronze Age Indus Valley Civilisation, and was later home to kingdoms ruled by people of different faiths and cultures, including Hindus, Indo-Greeks, Muslims, Turco-Mongols, Afghans and Sikhs. The area has been ruled by numerous empires and dynasties, including the Persian Achaemenid Empire, Alexander III of Macedon, the Seleucid Empire, the Indian Maurya Empire, the Gupta Empire,[17] the Arab Umayyad Caliphate, the Delhi Sultanate, the Mongol Empire, the Mughal Empire, the Afghan Durrani Empire, the Sikh Empire (partially) and, most recently, the British Empire.[18][19] Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam.[20][21] It is an ethnically and linguistically diverse country, with a similarly diverse geography and wildlife. Initially a dominion, Pakistan adopted a constitution in 1956, becoming an Islamic republic. An ethnic civil war in 1971 resulted in the secession of East Pakistan as the new country of Bangladesh.[22] In 1973 Pakistan adopted a new constitution which stipulated that all laws are to conform to the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Quran and Sunnah.[23]

////////The end/////////////

What do you think? If you think we can do better please let me know. 72.140.114.159 (talk)

@L293D, General Ization, ProgrammingGeek, EdJohnston, Boing! said Zebedee, Wbm1058, Kautilya3, THEunique, Frietjes, Thayts, and DBigXray: I need your help again. Can one of you take a look at this issue please. The article is looking very good but I think there is room for improvement. Thank you 72.140.114.159 (talk) 16:48, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 16:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I'm implementing the change, any editors are free to revert if they have issues with it. L293D beat me to it. Thank you for your continuing efforts to comply with MOS, 72.140. In future, you can also use the {{Edit extended-protected}} template so that you don't need to ping everyone. Best, ProgrammingGeek talktome 16:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I will do that in the future. 72.140.114.159 (talk) 16:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Buzan, Barry; Wæver, Ole (2003). Regions and Powers: The Structure of International Security. Cambridge University Press. p. 55. ISBN 978-0-521-89111-0. In the framework of their regional security complex theory (RSCT), Barry Buzan and Ole Waever differentiate between superpowers and great powers which act and influence the global level (or system level) and regional powers whose influence may be large in their regions but have less effect at the global level. This category of regional powers includes Brazil, Egypt, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, South Africa and Turkey.
  2. ^ Rajagopalan, Rajesh (2011), "Pakistan: regional power, global problem?", in Nadine Godehardt; Dirk Nabers (eds.), Regional Orders and Regional Powers, Routledge, pp. 193–208, ISBN 978-1-136-71891-5
  3. ^ Paul, T. V. (2012). International Relations Theory and Regional Transformation. Cambridge University Press. p. 11. ISBN 978-1-107-02021-4. Retrieved 3 February 2017. The regional powers such as Israel or Pakistan are not simple bystanders of great power politics in their regions; they attempt to asymmetrically influence the major power system often in their own distinct ways.
  4. ^ Barry Buzan (2004). The United States and the great powers: world politics in the twenty-first century. Polity. pp. 71, 99. ISBN 978-0-7456-3374-9. Retrieved 27 December 2011.
  5. ^ Hussein Solomon. "South African Foreign Policy and Middle Power Leadership". Archived from the original on 24 June 2002. Retrieved 27 December 2011.
  6. ^ Vandamme, Dorothee. "Pakistan and Saudi Arabia : Towards Greater Independence in their Afghan Foreign Policy?" (PDF). Université catholique de Louvain. Retrieved 21 December 2016. Countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have enough influence to not be considered small, but not enough to be major powers. Within the limits of their regions, they play a significant political role. Thus instinctively, they would qualify as middle powers. While it is not the objective here to question the characteristics of Jordan's definition of middle powers, we argue that Pakistan is in fact a middle power despite its being nuclear-armed. When looking at the numbers, for instance, it appears that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan can be classified as middle powers (see in this regard Ping, 2007).
  7. ^ Bhatti, Muhammad Umer Saleem (22 June 2015). "Services sector: domestic and outward growth". Dawn. Retrieved 24 February 2017.
  8. ^ Memon, Abdul Qadir (10 May 2015). "Services sector: Realising Pakistan's export potential". The Express Tribune. Retrieved 24 February 2017.
  9. ^ Iqbal, Anwar (8 November 2015). "Pakistan an emerging market economy: IMF". www.dawn.com. Retrieved 27 February 2016.
  10. ^ Kaplan, Seth. "Is Pakistan an emerging market?". Retrieved 27 February 2016.
  11. ^ "Pakistan has 18th largest 'middle class' in the world: report". The Express Tribune. 16 October 2015.
  12. ^ "GDP ranking | Data". data.worldbank.org. Retrieved 17 January 2017.
  13. ^ Mathew Joseph C. (2016). Understanding Pakistan: Emerging Voices from India. Taylor & Francis. p. 337. ISBN 978-1-351-99725-6.
  14. ^ "Poverty in Pakistan: Numerous efforts, many numbers, not enough results – AidData". aiddata.org.
  15. ^ "70% decline in terrorist attacks in Pakistan – The Express Tribune". tribune.com.pk. 9 September 2015.
  16. ^ "Pakistan sees 748% rise in terror deaths over 10 years". Scroll. 5 May 2015.
  17. ^ Wynbrandt, James (2009). A Brief History of Pakistan. Infobase Publishing, 2009. ISBN 9780816061846.
  18. ^ Hussain, Rizwan. Pakistan. Pakistan is unique among Muslim countries in its relationship with Islam: it is the only country to have been established in the name of Islam {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
  19. ^ Talbot, Ian (2 February 1984). "Jinnah and the Making of Pakistan". History Today. As British rule there drew to an end, many Muslims demanded, in the name of Islam, the creation of a separate Pakistan state.
  20. ^ Hussain, Rizwan. Pakistan. Pakistan is unique among Muslim countries in its relationship with Islam: it is the only country to have been established in the name of Islam {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
  21. ^ Talbot, Ian (2 February 1984). "Jinnah and the Making of Pakistan". History Today. As British rule there drew to an end, many Muslims demanded, in the name of Islam, the creation of a separate Pakistan state.
  22. ^ "Special report: The Breakup of Pakistan 1969–1971". 2017-09-23.
  23. ^ Iqbal, Khurshid (2009). The Right to Development in International Law: The Case of Pakistan. Routledge. p. 189. ISBN 978-1-134-01999-1. The constitution proclaims ... that all existing laws shall be brought in accordance with the injunctions of Islam as laid down in the Quran and Sunnah, and no law shall be enacted which is repugnant to such injunctions.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 December 2018

Commonwealth of Nations wiki link text in the lead should be changed to Commonwealth because it is shorter which should still be linked to Commonwealth of Nations article. Thank you 72.140.114.159 (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2018 (UTC) 72.140.114.159 (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: I think it's fine as is. You can establish consensus for the request and then re-activate the template. ProgrammingGeek talktome 15:58, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for


—157.42.61.100 (talk) 10:11, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

You haven't explained what you think is erroneous. I've made a few adjustments in the article's coordinates; but if you still think that there is an error, you'll need to give a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 17:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 December 2018

Please add a little more about the Kashmir conflict. I'd like that details of the current situation in the Indian-occupied Kashmir be given and how the people in Kashmir are resisting Indian armed forces in Kasmir Rai Umar (talk) 08:16, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 08:42, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 January 2019

Truman098 (talk) 05:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 05:53, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 January 2019

Name of Chief Justice of Pakistan should be Updated, Now [Asif_Saeed_Khan_Khosa] is the new Chief Justice of Pakistan.

Sources: 1) https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/474741-Mian-Saqib-Nisar-retires-Chief-Justice-Pakistan 2) https://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/01/justice-asif-saeed-khosa-to-take-oath-as-pakistans-26th-chief-justice-on-jan-18/ 27.255.0.245 (talk) 16:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

 Already done. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 12:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Update request

The bar chart in "Languages" section is based totally on wrong figures. Please update it according to the Pakistan census 2017 figures. Here are official figures.Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.33.107.90 (talk) 03:41, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Indirect history

I like the fact that Wikipedia is slowly and gradually, but indirectly mentioning the history of the Carnatic Wars, Battle of Plassey and the Battle of Buxar within the "History" section of its article on Pakistan...

Well done perhaps we will await an indirect clue of the "Anglo-Mysore Wars" when we discuss the rise of the "Honorable East India Company".

Fjgdh5 (talk)\~~\~\\~~ —Preceding undated comment added 19:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 January 2019

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:36, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 February 2019

I would like to update the GDP nominal from 305 billion USD which is an old value to the new one - 312.5 billion USD as per this article - https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/pakistan/nominal-gdp Hassank18111 (talk) 19:15, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Given the section immediately following this one quoting a different number from a different source, a consensus should be reached here as to what numbers should be used. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 21:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Old & jumbled data

Datas including population, GDP and GDP per capita are from different instants and hence contradicting each other. Moreover, its brink of initiation of FY19-20 while data's still from 2017. Pakistan's GDP for 2018 is $306.987 billions (adjusted with currency depreciation) and nominal GDP per capita somewhere between $1500-1550. IMF projections can be subscribed to obtain same in PPP. Regards Aman Goel (talk) February 8th, 2019

Reference improvement needed

The last reference of the "immigration" section is currently a broken link: Istvan, Zoltan (13 March 2003). "Refugee Crisis Worsening In Western Kashmir". National Geographic. Retrieved 15 January 2017. The refugees claim that Indian soldiers forced them out of their homes ... For Kashmiri Muslims, Pakistan appeared safer than Indian-held Kashmir ... "She was also raped by the soldiers," Ahmad said. "Many of the other female refugees were also raped." It's not archived via Wayback nor via anything else I could find. I did find this website which says it disappeared from NatGeo and proides this screenshot. That's not a reliable source, but it can be an indication that the original may once have existed. However, since that original was apparently deliberately removed by the publisher, I'm not sure we could still consider the source reliable even if we found an archived copy somewhere. It may be easiest to replace it with another source. Huon (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 March 2019

Please remove this line from the last paragraph of the lead as it making the lead too long as most of the information in this line is moved to the infobox in the membership section.

Please remove this line (Pakistan is a member of the UN, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, the OIC, the Commonwealth of Nations, the SAARC and the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition.) Karachi01 (talk) 15:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Information that is in the infobox needs to appear in the article. The lead is about 500 words, which is reasonable for an article of this length, about 16,000 words. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 April 2019

Adnanasim677 12:37, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

What are you planning on doing? If it is to add spam content like you did with your other edit, then it isn't welcome. QuiteUnusual (talk) 12:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Begoon 13:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 April 2019

Ali Tariq 101 (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2019 (UTC) sir i need to acess this edit since you have missed some very dear points which hold the pride of pakistan, thanks a lot.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 March 2019

I shortened the 2nd paragraph from the top in the lead to my changes below as it had too many details for the lead so was too long and hard to read. So please replace the whole 2nd paragraph from the top with my changes below:

The territory that now constitutes Pakistan was the site of several ancient cultures and intertwined with the history of the broader Indian subcontinent. The ancient history involves the Neolithic site of Mehrgarh and the Bronze Age Indus Valley Civilisation, and was later home to kingdoms ruled by people of different faiths and cultures, including Persians, Hindus, Indo-Greeks, Muslims, Turco-Mongols, Afghans and Sikhs. The area has been ruled by numerous empires and dynasties, including the Achaemenid Empire, Alexander III of Macedon, the Seleucid Empire, the Maurya Empire, the Gupta Empire,[1] the Umayyad Caliphate, the Delhi Sultanate, the Mongol Empire, the Mughal Empire, the Durrani Empire, the Sikh Empire and, most recently, the British Empire.[2][3] Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam.[2][3] It is an ethnically and linguistically diverse country, with a similarly diverse geography and wildlife.

2607:9880:4038:B:956C:1AA1:5F90:1139 (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Wynbrandt, James (2009). A Brief History of Pakistan. Infobase Publishing. ISBN 978-0-8160-6184-6.
  2. ^ a b Hussain, Rizwan. Pakistan. Pakistan is unique among Muslim countries in its relationship with Islam: it is the only country to have been established in the name of Islam {{cite book}}: |work= ignored (help)
  3. ^ a b Talbot, Ian (2 February 1984). "Jinnah and the Making of Pakistan". History Today. As British rule there drew to an end, many Muslims demanded, in the name of Islam, the creation of a separate Pakistan state.

@Begoon, Jonesey95, and QuiteUnusual: Can you take a look at this. 2607:9880:4038:B:9921:730F:AFCB:1E66 (talk) 16:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I would like to see at least one of the 1,512 watchers of this page, most of whom probably have a more informed opinion than I do, to comment on this proposed change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@SS49, Blemby, Rchard2scout, DdBbCc22, Tikka Rao, and FDRMRZUSA: Can you folks take a look at this. 2607:9880:4038:B:752B:2316:FD43:6EC5 (talk) 02:54, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@My Lord, Anonymous from the 21st century, 1990'sguy, and General Ization: Do you guys want to take a look at this. 2607:9880:4038:B:61BE:FC85:934B:AE38 (talk) 21:40, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Sam Sailor 15:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit April 12, 2019

Please check the last reverted edit which was did by "User:My Lord" as I think that the edits which he reverted are better than the present one. These edits are related to second and third paragraphs of the article. At present, the second paragraph has following unrequired details which made it bulky and very large:

  • Firstly it has extra exorcism before the prehistory.
  • Secondly it tells separately the names, faith, culture and then identity of invaders and empires which is not required here as it is a introductionry paragraph not for explaination (only their identity matters because their identity is itself related to their culture).
  • It also contains the content about event of succession of East Pakistan to Bangladesh but not the event of Independence movement which is more required here and I also observe at many times on articles which are about countries that the second paragraph has no content about "post-independence or post-formation events" expect the nation's first legislation process (in a short way). But here there is a detail about constitution of country. I think this detail is should be the part of section "Role of Islam in Pakistan" instead of here.

The third paragraph has following issues.

  • The names of organizations of which Pakistan is member can be written in infobox template because in this way we have space for presenting the country's diversity in culture and wildlife which is at present not available in any introductory paragraphs.
  • Secondly here the country's economy, military strength and problems are not presented in modified form which creates some confusion and also make it bulky.

So, according to all these parameters, I request to someone please revert it. DdBbCc22 (talk) 02:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm with My Lord on this. Your version "conveniently" removes accurate and well-sourced information about civil war, terrorism, military rule, political instability and other less pleasant aspects of Pakistan's recent history – as My Lord put it, you "whitewashed" the article. The reversion of your edits will not be undone. General Ization Talk 02:17, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
User:General Ization Most of these less pleasant aspects are also present in my edition but the events which you think that should be mentioned, you can mention it. But what about the exaggeration or detailed content about empires of ancient and medieval era in introductionry paragraph, what about the detailed content about conditions of constitution which should be part of section of "Role of Islam in Pakistan" because the word of "Islamic Republic" is already mentioned above telling about country's status, what about the not mentioning of independence movement, what about the not mentioning of administrative structure of country, what about the not mentioning of biodiversity in country, what about these bulky paragraphs? These are also the aspects of Pakistan and in this way it can be considered that the article is whitewashed. So, according to all this, I think my version is better as it only requires the addition of name of one or two less pleasant aspects. DdBbCc22 (talk) 02:51, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
I am neutral in this argument though before this argument started I asked for edit since 22 March 2019 and pretty much no action has been taken if you include the reverted current version. Please take a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pakistan#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_22_March_2019 2607:9880:4038:B:61BE:FC85:934B:AE38 (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
DdBbCc22 see WP:RGW and WP:NPOV. Your personal views are not over-riding the sourced information which more accurately reflects the country and the article. ML talk 17:31, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Etymology of Pakistan

The article is just a copy of the Pakistan § Etymology section. Not sure why a separate article is needed here the section suffices completely. Similar case with Etymology of India. Gotitbro (talk) 04:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I've boldly redirected Etymology of Pakistan here: all the information there is already present here, and in a tighter, clearer prose. – Uanfala (talk) 07:31, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 May 2019

I would like to request you that kindly add following link in References portion, Taxila – UNESCO World Heritage Center(https://thereader.pk/taxila-unesco-world-heritage-centre). I shall be very thankful to you. Thereaderpk78 (talk) 01:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. Begoon 02:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2019

Nominal GDP is incorrect from the reference attached:

Please check the reference and change the nominal GDP from $278.02 billion to $278.019 billion, thank you.

-Sixtinine- (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Begoon 20:25, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 June 2019

Write the leaders' names in Urdu with Nastaliq font Muhammad Abbas Akbari (talk) 14:16, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: you would need to provide us with the names in Urdu. Also, if you are referring to the names in the infobox, then they should not have Urdu forms, to keep it concise. Danski454 (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 July 2019

Remove this sentence from lead as it is too much details for the lead and already mentioned in the history section of the article. Lead is already way too long.

Initially a dominion, Pakistan adopted a constitution in 1956, becoming an Islamic republic. An ethnic civil war and Indian military intervention in 1971 resulted in the secession of East Pakistan as the new country of Bangladesh. 2607:9880:4038:B:FC63:A1EC:6BB:93BA (talk) 17:23, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Seem too important to remove from the lead. El_C 17:27, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
@El C: It is detailed history which has nothing to do with what is happening in Pakistan recently. 2607:9880:4038:B:3C94:9B87:D93:4AC6 (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Pakislam listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Pakislam. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 22:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Bloomberg

please change ((Bloomberg)) to ((Bloomberg L.P.|Bloomberg)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2019‎ 2601:541:4500:1760:2878:578:2e10:42ec (talk) 16:59, 24 July (UTC)

 Done Thanks for spotting this. – Uanfala (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Mewati language in Pakistan

Across the country large number of groups tribe lived their... Mayo also live in Pakistan at the time of partitions Large number of Mayo migrated from Mewat district from Alwar India. These migrated people have it's on culture and traditions large number of Mayo's live in #Kasur district of Pakistan #sailkot and #Multan #Lahore ...They have #Mewati language SALMAN Mewati (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2019

Please include the capital city of Baltistan, GB, Pakistan i.e. 'Skardu' in the topic of Tourism because Skardu is one of the biggest tourists hub having world highest mountains, K2, Deosai plane, glaciers, natural lakes and waterfalls, ancient civilization of Buddhism, Tibetan culture, highest airport etc. every year more than 1.7 million national and international tourists visit Skardu. You may check the tourism worth for the country from this city. Thanks! Nisarpaljori (talk) 01:35, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:05, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 January 2020

The Total Nominal GDP Ranking of Pakistan currently reads “42th” and should be changed to “42nd”. Just trying to help, thanks! Theorchardist (talk) 07:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 10:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Population is wrong

The Infobox says Pakistan has a population of 212,742,631 and gives as its only source the page https://web.archive.org/web/20171015113737/http://www.pbscensus.gov.pk/ . But the page itself says that the Census found a total population for Pakistan of 207,774,520 people. And the World Population clock also agrees that Pakistan population today is of 207 million people: https://countrymeters.info/en/Pakistan 213.245.147.96 (talk) 14:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done made the 2017 figure consistent Outriggr (talk) 05:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Add hoa

Please add that pakistan is also called the heart of asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IqrarUlHassan (talk • contribs) 13:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Pakistan position in population ranking is wrong

In the Infobox, it says Pakistan is #5 in population, but it is #6, as the link itself shows. In the text as well, first paragraph says "It is the world’s fifth-most populous country with a population exceeding 212.7 million people.", with a broken link as wrong source, when it should be corrected to "It is the world’s sixth-most populous country with a population exceeding 207 million people." 213.245.147.96 (talk) 21:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Outriggr (talk) 06:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 January 2020

Dear Sir/Ma'am,

please remove the word "Saraiki" which is mention in language information. because saraiki isn't any language there is history of saraiki language in Punjab. the movement who want to divide our punjabi is saying to our multani accent that it is separate saraiki language which is wrong. whole punjab speak punjabi language they have different accents of speaking punjabi.

Best Regards Muhammad Ali Lahore, Punjab, Pakistan Muhammadalipb (talk) 08:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Also, please provide reliable sources for this claim. See the policy on verifiability. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Operation Searchlight and the question of genocide

The section on "Independance and Modern Pakistan" says: 

       Some academics such as Rudolph Rummel and Rounaq Jahan say both sides[138] committed genocide;
       others such as Richard Sisson and Leo E. Rose believe there was no genocide.[139]

This makes it sound as though the number of kind of killings by West Pakistan are equivalent to the number and type of killings by East Pakistan. Is this what is being suggested?

Looking at the source from Rummell, it seems that he suggests that the number of "demicides" by the West Pakistanis were 3x to 10x the number by the East Pakistanis. Does this support the statement that "both side committed genocide"? Does it support the idea that the "genocides" were equivalent? RayKiddy (talk) 05:15, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

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