Talk:Ouija Board Criticism

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Well Sourced

This is a valid and well sourced former section under of the article Ouija. In fact, this section had the most sources for the entire article. Dwain (talk) 21:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Whose Point of view?

Obviously, a page relating criticism is displaying POVs. But they are not an author's POV. You can't say that it only expresses the views of one group of people, as scientists, religious and occultists are all quoted. as such it does not violate NPOV, because these are three very disparate groups. Certainly, a section that documents some views that are all sourced by some important people should not be hidden. It used to be a part of the article called Ouija, but there were a bunch of anonymous editors that said this section should not be included wihin the article. I tried to put it back and it was deleted. The section of People who have used the Ouija Board was expanded and this one deleted. I understand that people don't want verifiable criticism concerning something they might like, but to just ignore the large amounts of criticism concerning something that some people call a game and others call an occult divice, the current article is ludicrous. It's actually awful. I don't think that a new article created from an old section that was up for literally years can now be considered breaking policy. Ouija Board Criticism should be a part of an article on the Ouija Board. There are loads of articles on Wikipedia that continue to other pages. Why is this one any different? It truly makes no sense to remove a factually written article that has sources. To dismiss this by saying that it is breaking NPOV, which it does not, is just plain suspect. Dwain (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

This is an article which, by its very title, is exclusively for criticism of the Ouija board. That is on its very surface a lack of balance. If there is controversy regarding the Ouija board, then WP:NPOV makes it clear that both sides should be in the same article. It seems obvious that the article for that would be Ouija. --Nat Gertler (talk) 01:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:NPOV makes it clear that views by reliable sources are represented in an article in proportion to their prominence. Clearly, the material Dwain seeks to insert is entirely in support of the view that Ouija has supernatural powers, a minority view that is presently represented accordingly in the lead of Ouija. Adding several hundred KB more material to emphasize the fringe view is not appropriate. - LuckyLouie (talk) 02:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, but the fringe view? By whose account? Yours? Have you ever read the internet concerning Ouija Boards? Are doctors fringe opinionators? What is your real reason for deleting this section from the Ouija page? It has been there since 2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ouija&oldid=14009520#Criticism_of_Ouija_boards. You just removed it today, and now you're slapping a Copyvio tag onto this page. Something is up with your actions. I think you know darn right well that the section first appeared on Wikipedia and others copied it onto their pages and now here you are trying to remove it. There are three different opinions from three sets of people, scientists, religious and occult practitioners, those are three distinct groups so those are three distinct viewpoints. Sorry, but you point doesn't hold water. And using tricks like the copyright violation assumption doesn't do your flawed argument any good either. Dwain (talk) 04:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Current version by Panyd

As [1] is much improved, I'd support it being integrated back into the main Ouija article. - LuckyLouie (talk) 23:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)