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Did you know... that the Football Association has asked England fans to stop singing "No Surrender to the IRA"?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Football Association has asked England fans to stop singing "No Surrender to the IRA"? "The Football Association is emailing England fans asking them not to indulge in "offensive songs" when their team play the Republic of Ireland at Wembley on Wednesday night. It's safe to assume there's one song they have particularly in mind." from: Rohrer, Finlo (29 May 2013). "Why do England fans sing No Surrender?". BBC News. Retrieved 19 June 2020.
- ALT1:... that "No Surrender to the IRA", a chant used by England football supporters, has also been used by far-right organisations? "It was once associated with the National Front. Now, it has become one of the slogans of the English Defence League." from: Holt, Oliver (22 May 2013). "No more No Surrender: Why it's time to admit the anti-IRA chant has no place at an England match". Daily Mirror. Retrieved 19 June 2020.
- ALT2:... that variants of the "No Surrender to the IRA" chant target al-Qaeda, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank?"To a lot of the fans [the song] is actually no surrender to terrorism, no surrender to al-Qaeda. I even know people for whom it is no surrender to the IMF [International Monetary Fund], to the EU, to the Troika [EU, European Central Bank and IMF]" from Rohrer, Finlo (29 May 2013). "Why do England fans sing No Surrender?". BBC News. Retrieved 19 June 2020.

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Created/expanded by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, plenty of sources, copyvio issues due to quotes, no image and QPQ provided. Hooks are in the article. I prefer the proposed hook or ALT2. Hook facts are followed by inline citation and it is the cited sources. Whispyhistory (talk) 14:21, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Dumelow: just wondering why there are parentheses in the title of this article? I can't see it rendered that way in sources, although obviously many do just call it "No Surrender". And in the DYK nom above you've titled it as simply "No Surrender to the IRA". Wondering if it would make sense to move the article to that title? Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Amakuru. All the sources apart from the Telegraph refer to it as "No Surrender", the Telegraph calls it "No Surrender to the IRA". It could conceivably sit at No Surrender (football chant), but I think this is more elegant. I used the full name in the hooks as otherwise the context is lost - Dumelow (talk) 11:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: alright then, thanks for the response. I'll just leave it alone then, not a biggy anyway! Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 11:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]