Talk:Nino, Princess of Mingrelia

Wrong image

Nino Dadiani, Princess of Samegrelo

Is this truly an image of this person, or (as is often the case of royalty and aristocracy), an image of a person with the same name and title? It must be a confusion, because the person wears the fashion and hair style of the 1840s, when she was in her 70s and far to old to appear so young as the person of the image. The true person of the image must be identified. --Aciram (talk) 12:20, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Stop removing the information if you know nothing or are not sure about the subject. Your editing is very frustrating as you without any knowledge in the Georgian royalty. Same you did on Rusudan of Circassia. As for your concern. Yes she is the one on the picture and you may see the sources here, here and here. Again before editing or removing important information study the subject first and don't make your own interpretations. Jaqeli (talk) 12:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Your argumentation is odd, and you are quite rude. You do not answer my valid concerns, and the references you provide are not legitimate. The questipns are valid and legitimate. Let me ask you this question. Which fashion does the woman of the picture wear: the 1795–1820 in Western fashion or the 1840s in Western fashion? --Aciram (talk) 01:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Aciram: I am afraid that you will not get an answer to your question, since Jaqeli has not been active on Wikipedia in more than five years. However, they have already addressed your original doubt, giving several sources. In contrast, your current question invites for a personal analysis of the picture, which would constitute original reseach. --T*U (talk) 07:17, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Siege of Poti

Did she really command the Mingrelian forces? The Russian historian Mikhailovskiy-Danilevskiy writes that the Mingrelian forces were lead by a Major-General Prince Orbelianov, presumably Tamaz Mamukovich Orbeliani. Maybe as regent she was the nominal commander in chief and authorized the raising and deployment of the Mingrelian "opolchenie" (as M-D calls them), but I doubt she led them at Poti. 65.95.66.45 (talk) 23:05, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nino, Princess of Mingrelia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MPJ-DK (talk · contribs) 19:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Full disclosure: I am a WIki Cup and GA Cup participant and I am aware that there is a topic ban for the nominator but I figure if I do the review perhaps other wikipedias will pick it up and get issues resolved. At least we've tried.

I am about to start my review of this article, normally I provide my input in bits and pieces over a day or two so expect running updates for a while.  MPJ-US  19:44, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

GA Toolbox

I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.

Peer Review

• Lead is too short for an article this size, should be at least two paragraphs especially Good Articles. N

Copyright violations

• Tool says "35.9% - Highly Unlikely" Y

Disambiguation links

• no problems Y

External links

• no problems Y

Well Written

• Quite a few issues listed below and this is a relatively short article. - N

Info Box

• So I cannot reconsile the years listed under "tenure" with what is in the text, there in correlation.
• Most info boxes I see have sources, I would expect some here too

Lead

• Is her name just "Nino"? no other name is actually verified,
• "After the death of her husband in 1804, Nino was a regent for her underage son, Levan, and helped bring Mingrelia and Abkhazia, a neighboring principality of her in-laws, under the hegemony of the Russian Empire." - I just completed a previous review of a Jaqeli driven article and it had major run-on sentence issues. I am sorry to see this happen here too.

Early life

"Princess Nino was born in Tbilisi as the sixth child of then-Crown Prince George and his first wife, Ketevan Andronikashvili, in 1772, in the lifetime of her reigning grandfather, Heraclius II of Georgia.", seems like a long way around to menion who her grandfather was (is it important to mention this person specifically?)

• Through out the sections "Grigol Dadiani" is referred to as "Grigol"? Is that common in Georgia that the first name is actually the family name? If not then that's a familal tone that should not be used in a biography. either "Grigol Dadiani" or "Dadiani" should be used.
• "The relations between Solomon and Grigol quickly became soured over their territorial disputes and, in the period of 1791–1802, Grigol thrice lost throne to Solomon's protégés.", that is a very high level description almost in passing "oh yeah he lost the throne three times"? GA needs a greater level of detail than that.

Regency

• "Levan had been held since 1802 as a hostage by Kelesh Ahmed-Bey Shervashidze, Prince of Abkhazia, in return for his help to Grigol in the power struggle in Mingrelia." I am unsure exactlu what happend, when, where and so on. This needs to be rewritten.
• "In March 1805 the Russian troops" - comma after "1805"
• "presidency of Princess Nino", that sounds wrong, is she a president or a princess?
• "Furthermore, she was rumored to have been behind the murder of Prince Grigol, who had been briefly involved with a woman of the Chichua family." - mentioned as a side note, "oh yeah people thought she killed her husband", again this should really have more prominece in the article.
• "In 1810, Nino sent 1,000 soldiers to the aid of her Abkhazian protégé, Sefer Ali-Bey Shervashidze, who deposed his pro-Ottoman brother, Prince Aslan-Bey, and brought Abkhazia under the Russian protectorate." run-on sentence and no details on her "protoge" other than an off hand mention.

Retirement to Russia

• "In 1811, Nino was sidelined from the government of Mingrelia.", I am really missing a few details such as "how" and "why"
• "Early in 1820, when Nino was vacationing at Georgiyevsk, Giorgi fell under the suspicion of collaborating with the rebels in Imereti, whom his elder brother, Levan, fought in the Russian ranks." - confusing sentence, reword it.
• "Princess Nino's only surviving portrait, produced by an unknown artist during her St. Petersburg years, was purchased in 2010 by the Australian entrepreneur Victor Greenwich Dadianov, a scion of the Dadiani dynasty and Honorary Consul-General of Georgia in Sydney, at one of the auctions of Europe, and was presented by him to the Dadiani Palaces Museum in Zugdidi, Georgia." massive run-on sentence, should be rewritten.

Children

• "then, in 1823, Rostom-Bey" I am pretty sure the word "married" shoud be squeezed in there.
• "A grandson of her first marriage" - so we're not just listing children? the section becomes unfocused when it goes to grandchildren.

Sources/verifiable

• Maybe I am just not looking in the right place but the "Ancestry" section looks totally unsourced?
• Simply listing something in a foreign alphabet on the English wiki is not very helpful, it gives me no information, nowhere to look, nothing like that unless I fire up Google translate. publisher, author etc should be given in English and I would think an english translation of the book titles (assuming they are books)
• The listed sources look reliable, are correctly formatted etc.

So issues to resolve here - N

Broad in coverage

• It appears to generally cover the aspects of her life Y

Netural

• It appeares to be factual, neutral and not prone to weasel words or value loaded statemtents. Y

Stable

• Rock solid, no real activity in 2015, so that's passed Y

Illustrated / Images

• Image "Nino Dadiani, Princess of Samegrelo.jpg" has problems with licenses, including needing a U.S. public domain tag and a missing license parameter. N

Overall

Considering this is a pretty short article it has a large number of prose issues. An article should really have a GA or close to GA level when it's submitted, not rely on the GA reviewer to go through and provide the copyediting to bring it up to the GA level. So much work to be done that I am going to fail it now.