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Agnolo Bronzino – ”Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi” (circa 1540). Galleria degli Uffizi, Florence.
The Goddess Demeter.


Like your opinion on the FOOian-century slave category tree

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I just made a category header for FOOian slaves ( Template:Slaves by nationality and century category header). I'm extremely conflicted about several aspects, including whether we should point to FOOian slave traders, whether the category should be diffusing, and whether the category should be placed by occupation. Do you have thoughts? I'd be happy to implement the alternatives to what is currently in place. See Category:17th-century American slaves for what it looks like right now. Mason (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your question. Yes, I might have thoughts, but I have a lot to do for the next couple of days so that would probably have to wait, if that is the case. But generally: the principle is to categorize slaves from the country they were slaves in. For exampe "American slaves" are the category for people who experienced slavery in America/the US, regardless of their own ethnicity or nationality. And we should stick to that. To sort slaves from their own ethnicity/nationality would be a big mistake. It would not be usefull. --Aciram (talk) 13:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing! Take your time. I agree with you that American slaves are describing people who were enslaved in the United States. It sounds like we're on the same page. I'll add a hatnote making that clear. Mason (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds good. And, of course, American slaves was just an example; I support the same principle for all slaves, whether they were enslaved in the US, Rome, Greece, Arabia or Mongolia, but that's a given thing. After all, slaves were often foreigners, but what's relevant is the country in which they experienced their enslavement.--Aciram (talk) 16:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wish to share inputs

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Greetings, I wished to share some inputs with you as peer Wikipedian, would you be comfortable? Bookku (talk) 07:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not feel I can say no. However I should point out that I find writing on Wikipedia relaxing. Writing has always been a form of relaxation for me. But I am often severely stressed in my offline life. Because of this, I am afraid I rarely have the energy to make my articles 100 % perfect. I suffer from near constrant stress and exhaustion. Hence why I need methods to relax, and writing - as I do in Wikipedia - is one of them. It may look as if I am full of energy because I write a lot: but writing is merely my way of relaxing. I say this simply since I assume I must have made some sort of mistake in need of correction.
I am sure I make unintentional mistakes in case of formatting. However, as far as I remember, and I hope this rule has not changed: an article in Wikipedia is never finnished. I have always supported this rule. It is my earnest opinion, that many articles would never have been written, if they were expected to be perfect at the time of their posting. They will always be open for editing by others. This is a great strenght of wikipedia, and it would be a shame if those rules had changed.
I do not wish to sound dismissive of correct, vaild and constructive criticism. But I think it is fair to say, that I am almost constantly exhausted. You are welcome to share inputs, I will read them and keep them in mind, but I can not promise I have the energy for long discussions. --Aciram (talk) 12:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Hi Aciram. Thank you for your work on Firman of 1830. Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for creating the article! I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a blessed day!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 17:16, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Slavery in Tanzania

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Category:Slavery in Tanzania has been nominated for merging. Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_11#Category:Slavery_in_Tanzania. – Fayenatic London 11:57, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Katharina Valenta for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Katharina Valenta is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katharina Valenta until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Demt1298 (talk) 02:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, sorry to bother you.

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Hi, Aciram. I read your homepage. Have you done research on ancient East Asian women? I have something to consult you. Hope you can reply. Thank you very much. 清风与明月 (talk) 01:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I have. I would not regard myself as an expert on the subject, but I do have some knowledge.--Aciram (talk) 02:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I saw you edited the entry for Arab qiyan. You can look at the entry for Chinese Geji. But now I don't know why these disputes are so big. No one denies the existence of sexual relations, and no one denies that some people in the profession are prostitution. But now a profession has to be identified as a sex worker/prostitution profession. If you have time, you can check the controversy about Chinese Geji during this period, and at the same time there are other female performers. 清风与明月 (talk) 04:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If take the situation of a few people as representative of the whole, then can define a profession as sex workers. Can define a profession as a profession that provides prostitution to clients at any time. This is a stigma for female performers. Recently, controversy has arisen, and it is unclear whether female performers will be defined as sex workers and prostitution profession again. 清风与明月 (talk) 05:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am afraid I have no time or energy to engage in this issue. The only thing I can say is that in Wikipedia, we are neutral, and write only what academic books can reference and nothing else, regardless of consequences. Good luck with your further debate on the talk page on the article.--Aciram (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medieval Arab attitudes to Black people

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"do not remove referenced information. Nore is a religious book of any relevance here. Do not rm it again, or I may be forced to report you"

Fine. I will not revert the page. But you are completely in the wrong. The Quran is indeed relevant to a claim made about what the Quran says. Further, the book does not mention the Quran saying anything like this. And this is even directly contracted on the wikipedia article. It is utterly ridiculous that you would report me for something like this. Doordobz (talk) 00:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Fülane Hatun

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Information icon Hello, Aciram. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Fülane Hatun, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 08:07, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Black women in American politics page

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Hello! I'm letting you know that I suggested the Black women in American politics article for a Good Article Nomination.

It was removed with the following comment: "Nominations need someone familiar with the sourcing and content of an article so they can respond to reviewer concerns, so it's usually expected that the nominator is one of the main contributors to the article. Also, it still needs a lot of work before it can be a good article, as it suffers greatly from scope issues and needs more citations."

I believe that the creator of the article is no longer active, so I want to encourage all interested editors to see what they can do to improve the article ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 15:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know, that's a worthy cause!--Aciram (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arevelian Tatron moved to draftspace

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Thanks for your contributions to Arevelian Tatron. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Thank you for telling me. I the article would have much greater chance of improvement if it is not in a draft space. Anyone can add another reference to it very swiftly. Another option is to tag the article as one-source, and millions of people could have added another source in no time. That is a good method. Many article have only one source, or have other problems, and there are many tags for improvement to adress such issues. When the article is in a draft space, however, it is hidden from view. Only one person can see it - in this case me - and that sole person may not bother, have time, or remember to improve it; then it may simply be deleted or forever hidden. That feels a bit uneccessary. While if it was tagged, millions of people would have the chance to adress the issue. That is often a more efficient method. But I have adressed the issues now. --Aciram (talk) 19:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American slave trade has been nominated for merging

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Category:American slave trade has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. BaduFerreira (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Fülane Hatun

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Hello, Aciram. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Fülane Hatun".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 07:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Adelle of the Saracens for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Adelle of the Saracens is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adelle of the Saracens until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Surtsicna (talk) 18:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Advocacy groups in Switzerland has been nominated for deletion

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Category:Advocacy groups in Switzerland has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 7 § Category:Buildings and structures by decade of destruction on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 17:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict on History of slavery in the Muslim world

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I see I started a minor edit on a page I discovered you were working on; I'll go somewhere else, I'm just twiddling with minor stuff. I don't think I accidentally reverted anything you did but you should double-check. Ogress 15:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries at all. You made your edit just as I ended my editing of the page (for the time being).--Aciram (talk) 16:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]