Talk:Never Learn Not to Love

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Hello! The chart position is not correct. The A-Side "Bluebirds" charted in the US and UK Charts, the B-Side did not chart! --81.223.57.245 08:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 23:37, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be reviewing your GA nomination. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:37, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Infobox

• Source for format.
• Wrong date for the recording (see below)
• Genre backed by liner notes?
• Source for the lengths

 Done

Lead

• more recently, → what do you mean? The reviews you gave me to see are rather old.
• music critics → link to music journaslim
• and the song appears on several compilation albums. → The song appears on several compilation albums by the band.
• positively receive → give more detail about this.
• Should also include genre of the song, release date and who wrote and produced the recording.

 Done

Background

• 1968 (according to some accounts) → 1968, according to some accounts,
• nighttime → night time
• Beach Boys → The Beach Boys
• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is space on both sides.
• costing Wilson approximately $100,000 → costing him approximately $100,000 (U.S. Dollars)?
• by Brian → by the latter (never use first names)
• Manson's studio album, Lie: The Love and Terror Cult → which studio album third, fourth? + source
• he abided by Manson's original specifications → remove by
• September 11 and 16 through 18, 1968 → September 11 and 17, 1968 (according to source)

 Done

Release and reception

• How could liner notes back up chart positions?
• When Manson discovered he was uncredited on the single → when he did he discovery this? It was after the release? Ans if so why is he still credited in the infobox?
• of Lie → of the record
• Music critic → link to music journalism
• Allmusic → AllMusic
• "many who cheerfully hummed away to the song over the following years had no idea of the inherent evil of its actual composer" → use more your own words, you can use some parts of the quote if you wish.
• Capitol Years, Goodbye Surfing, Hello God, Ah, Feel Like Acid, and Endless Bummer: The Very Worst of the Beach Boys → not sure if you should link this. What do you think?
• Lie, → remove
• "Manson's vocals are good, and always comes as a surprise if you've never heard them—you expect a tattered, raw, and raggedy voice, with a touch of lunatic rage, but what you get is a smooth-voiced folk singer" → use more your own words.
• "stripped-down approach gives the song an impressive lo-fi immediacy that is a million miles away from the Beach Boys' treatment" → same as previous.

 Done

Personnel

• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is space on both sides.
• Note: - Personnel according to following source: → Credits adapted from the liner notes of Friends/ 20/20 , Capitol Records (place it at the end of the section)
• Producers, writers, mixing, mastering, engineers should also be added.

 Done

References

• Reflist → Reflist|2
• theguardian.com. → The Guardian + wikilink
• people.com. → People (magazine) + wikilink
• esquarterly.com → Endless Summer Quarterly
• rollingstone.com → Rolling Stone + wikilink
• allmusic.com → AllMusic + wikilink
• ultimateclassicrock.com → Ultimate Classic Rock
• news.com.au → News.com.au + wikilink
• thevinyldistrict.com → The Vinyl District

 Done

Overall GA Review

Good luck! It's a great piece of work. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

• Comment - MarioSoulTruthFan I put in place the changes I could make. In response to your skepticism about the liner notes, would you rather I call it a CD booklet? The liner notes are a pamphlet in the case with descriptions of the sessions, the songs, and charts.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 05:17, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I was skeptic because I never saw liner notes with charts performances in them. No, just leave it at that. Is there another way I could verify those chart performances? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, Manson was aware he was uncredited afterwards. I included his name in the infobox because he did write the majority of the song. If that is incorrect, I can remove it. In a similar situation, "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On" credits Roy Hall, even though he was left off the original release. But like I said, it can be removed without much grievance from me.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 09:10, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

If you could make an additional note it would be for the best. It's easier I have seen lots of songs with that. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Btw could you add a source for the single version? Let me know once you address all the issues on the article. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:10, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

MarioSoulTruthFan I now noted Manson was uncredited in the infobox. I sourced the single's time length. Here are two reliable sources to verify my chart positions: US and UK.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@TheGracefulSlick: just address the rest of the issues and we will be done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

MarioSoulTruthFan I think that covers everything: the dashes were added, I specified U.S. dollars, and I used more of my own words in the reception. As for the "by Brian" concern, I didn't say "by Brian Wilson" because he shares the same last name as Carl. It is, therefore, appropriate to write "by Brian and Carl Wilson".TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

@TheGracefulSlick: I will assume you didn't find anything else regarding if Manson discover he was not credited after the release or before. Nevertheless, great job! Keep up this kind of work. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:00, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Throughout the years, "Never Learn Not to Love" has appeared on several other Beach Boys compilations and bootlegs.[24]

Provided cite for this claim https://www.allmusic.com/song/never-learn-not-to-love-mt0014981962 only list two bootlegs and two editions of an one various artist psych compilation (Ah Feel Like Ahcid (24 American Psychedelic Artefacts From The EMI Vaults) ) - doesn't list it as appearing on any offical Beach Boys compilations.

According to the listings on discogs apart from the lp & cd releases twofer releases that combined their album 20/20 with other Beach Boys' albums the only Beach Boys compilations it appeared on are two obscure records from 1980 & 1983 (The Capitol Years & The Beach Boys story). 109.144.218.0 (talk) 09:39, 31 December 2017 (UTC)