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Separate education and career into two separate sections. Personal Life Stevens was never married. [1] Career After receiving her Ph.D. from Bryn Mawr, Stevens was given an assistantship at the Carnegie Institute. It was at this institute that Stevens got her sex determination work published as a report in 1905. [2] Stevens worked to be able to become a full researcher at Bryn Mawr. However, before she could take the research professorship offered to her, Stevens passed away from breast cancer in 1912. [2]Taylergoates (talk) 05:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion rather than facts

We probally don't want to include Warrens opinions as facts rather than an excuse for bad science. If another scientist at the time managed it, it was hardly impossible. These days no serious scientist would get away with it. "Wilson did not see this because he only performed tests on the testis because eggs are too fatty for the old staining procedures" should be replace with something like "Wilson did not see this as he failed to include both genders in his own tests." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.100.83 (talk) 19:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

I diagree that T.H. Morgan's obituary was dismissive of her accomplishments. His obituary praises her contributions and seems to be a balanced assessment of her work. It is overall very favorable to her. I propose that the wording of this section be changed to reflect a more balanced view of his obituary. Also, there needs to be a citation to his obituary so that others can see for themselves what he wrote. Bruno in Columbus (talk) 15:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unbiased Facts

In the opening paragraph, I would add "She and Edmund Beecher Wilson were the first researchers to describe the chromosomal basis of sex, BUT BOTH CONCLUDED THEIR RESEARCH INDEPENDENTLY." It should be made clear that they didn't necessarily work together, but came to the same conclusions. Also, I would like to add more information to her personal life section. For example, who she was born to and her teaching career as Westfield Normal School.Hoskoste (talk) 17:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They clearly did not perform their research independently of one another. The article is aware that Wilson was the predecessor of Stevens as head of department in the same institution and that she was influenced by him. Further down is the unreferenced claim that Stevens brought fruit flies to Wilson's laboratory. Doesn't sound like two people working in complete isolation, even if their publications were printed separately under each author's own name. --dab (𒁳) 13:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Except that it says Stevens brought fruit flies to Morgan's lab, not Wilson's. ESentinel (talk) 14:20, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

graduating class

Something's been tampered with...Miss Nettie did not graduate in a class of 30,003,254 people.... PurpleChez (talk) 12:56, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reward Amount for Article

.There is an obvious error with the amount of the reward she received for one of her articles: $1,000,000,000,000? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.91.193 (talk) 13:20, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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correct location od burial location for Dr. Nettie Maria Stevens

Wiki Page carries a common typo of burial location being in WESTFIELD MA.

Actually, Stevens is buried in Fairview Cemetary, WESTFORD MA.

Please reference the find a grave page http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=stevens&GSiman=1&GScid=2186509&GRid=22434181&

Request change to include proper cemetery name and location. eg Fairview cemetery, Westford, MA.

Thank You,

Joel Gruhn Barrington RI joelgn@yahoo.com

Joel1947 (talk) 14:14, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done ^BE _CK ^Y _SA ^{Y L}E _S 18:06, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

PubMed search

A PubMed search gives 5 articles, 1 of them in French, some of which are cited in this article. This is the entire universe of biographical articles in peer-reviewed medical journals. I suspect that New Scientist would have had an article.

1. Y does it work this way? Nettie Maria Stevens (July 7, 1861 - May 4, 1912).

Wessel GM.

Mol Reprod Dev. 2011 Sep;78(9):Fmi. doi: 10.1002/mrd.21390. No abstract available.

PMID: 22095870

2. [Nettie Maria Stevens (1861-1912)].

Gilgenkrantz S.

Med Sci (Paris). 2008 Oct;24(10):874-8. doi: 10.1051/medsci/20082410874. French.

PMID: 18950586

Free Article

3. Nettie Maria Stevens (1861-1912): her life and contributions to cytogenetics.

Ogilvie MB, Choquette CJ.

Proc Am Philos Soc. 1981 Aug 21;125(4):292-311. No abstract available.

PMID: 11620765

4. Nettie M. Stevens and the discovery of sex determination by chromosomes.

Brush SG.

Isis. 1978 Jun;69(247):163-72. No abstract available.

PMID: 389882

5. THE DEATH OF NETTIE MARIA STEVENS.

[No authors listed]

Science. 1912 May 17;35(907):771. No abstract available.

PMID: 17792417

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Please change: Stevens was the first to recognize that females have two large sex chromosomes To: Stevens was the first to recognize that females have two large X chromosomes

142.3.134.215 (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ^BE _CK ^Y _SA ^{Y L}E _S 18:27, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Did Stevens actually use the term "X chromosome" and "Y chromosome" at the time, or were they named later? When I write medical history, I like the idea of describing what the ideas looked like as they emerged, not what they look like today. --Nbauman (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting notes and questions. I am taking a class at Wikieducation and working on Women in Science biographies. I found a lot of information on this Nettie Stevens page was duplicated, sometimes nearby and other times far removed in the text from its first appearance. In addition, some sentences were complex enough to make them hard to read and interpret in my opinion. I've worked on those issues and soon I will add the 1905 paper reference since that paper is extensively discussed in the article. I'll also try to clarify the fellowships she received with the places where she worked when she held those fellowships, currently a little confusing. And I want to add something about how TH Morgan described Stevens' work in his genetics textbook, the first textbook of genetics ever published and by far the most influential.LLMHoopes (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Completed copyediting, enhanced citation, and further description of controversy over who discovered sex chromosomes.

I've completed several rounds of copyediting of the Nettie Stevens article, adding citations for a number of facts that lacked them, removing extensive duplicated material, changing to idiomatic usage and repairing grammar, and trying to make it more readable. I've also added some material on the controversy over who discovered sex chromosomes and whether or not sexism was at the root of attempts to attribute it to Wilson alone or to Morgan. I changed the sentence at the end of paragraph 1 to which people objected in hopes of making it more acceptable while still alerting readers to the current names for the sex chromosomes. I welcome any input. I'm taking a class at Wiki Ed and want to learn as much as possible about how Wikipedia ideally works. LLMHoopes (talk) 03:01, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lede : I can't figure out who 'she' is

> She and Wilson both credited her with the discovery of sex chromosomes, but later scientists disagreed about who made the discovery.

The last 'she' in the lede is Nettie herself. Wilson is male, so 'her' is Nettie too.

I don't have access to the Bush article so I don't know enough to correct the sentence. Alanf777 (talk) 21:40, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]