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On 10 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Volare (song). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Infobox

An infobox was requested for the 1960 Bobby Rydell recording of "Volare" at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/List_of_notable_songs/14. volare means what???

volare is Latin (and Italian) and means to fly.

Link with Laika

The Laika article claims this song is based on/about Laika, the Soviet spacedog. Is this true? Would make an interesting addition to the article if so Lisiate 23:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

even if not true, it is a very good, true story, the beep-beep-singing sputnik made a lot of stories, then too.

Plagiarism?

The English and German Domenico Modugno articles say he was accused of plagiarism for "Volare". Which opera was it allegedly taken from? 84.59.65.93 14:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Attention (YouTube users may help)

Hi guys,

I've tagged this for attention, for two issues related to YouTube.com:

First of all, is it ok to link to that site? And even if it is not illegal to do so, aren't the specific videos linked to in this article protected by copyright?
Secondly, trying to access the Vitamin C link gives the following warning: "This video may contain content that is inappropriate for some users, as flagged by YouTube's user community". This is quite odd, could anyone with an account there verify that it is not something else than a "Nel blu dipinto di blu" video?

Thanks, Gennaro Prota 20:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I watched the Vitamin C video. Not only could I not find the inappropriate content, but the video is ripped straight off of The Disney Channel. GassyGuy 21:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm..., I'll tag the external links section for spam attention. Let's see... --Gennaro Prota ^•Talk 01:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an appropriate tag, actually. I'm more concerned about copyright issues. But at least it will draw attention on the external links section (you may see from the date of my original post that talk pages are not very suitable for this :)). --Gennaro Prota ^•Talk 01:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

I did a slight rearrangement to make the article more readable, and incorporated some of the invisible comments. This song is so popular, but most english-speakers only know the chorus (and don't know what it means) - let someone put in a section with the lyrics in english.--Shtove 20:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slight? Btw, you put info about Sanremo Music Festival and Eurovision Song Contest participation in the Composition section. Also, don't be offended, but the claim that the Gipsy King version is the most familiar of all is ridiculous. I have quite a long todo list right now, but I can put in a translation of the Italian text. As to the text of the English version I think I should verify if it is still copyrighted (unlikely that it is not). —Gennaro Prota ^•Talk 20:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't think of the copyright issue. I was working with the info available in the article to give a better read - para by para, section by section - so it's not a neat division. If the Gipsy Kings version isn't the most familiar, then which is? Or is it a matter of different markets? Perhaps the GK version is the most familiar in english-language areas.--Shtove 22:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am in the United States, and the Gipsy Kings version is far from being the most familiar around here. That honor would, more likely than not, go to Domenico Modugno's original, and, if not that one, it would be Bobby Rydell's English language version, or Dean Martin's English language version, or possibly some notability to Alex Chilton's version, but certainly not the Gipsy Kings version. GassyGuy 01:40, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Use at Soccer/Football matches

This song, especially thanks to the world cup, has become a popular fan song in nearly every language, merely replacing the text with 'Finale': "Fi-na-le OH OH! Fi-na-le Oh Oh Oh OH!" Worth mentioning? Lapunkd 16:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's actually a German-language re-write of the entire song, called "Finale" and singing the praises of the home team. It may well be worthwhile to hunt up any other re-writes (as distinct from covers) and make that a section unto itself. BigHaz 05:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just added a mention in the article to the Plymouth Volaré TV commercials of the 1970s, which were another re-write of the lyrics. "Drive small, the comfortable way" IIRC - Foetusized 13:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why call article Volare?

While I do agree that when one searches for Volare (song) it should bring up this page, the sound is properly called, Nel blu dipinto di blu, why isn't that the name of the article?

Barely anyone would find it if they didn't name it "Volare."

But we could have a redirect. Incidentally I had heard in a well-known Italian program that the song has been registered again with the title "Volare" (it was a quiz and they used to reject the name "Volare" as incorrect; after the supposed re-registration they began to accept it). No reference found on the net, though. —Gennaro Prota ^•Talk 00:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved this back to Volare (song). Even if the original title is the best-known in Italy, "Volare" is far better-known in anglophone countries, and is the official name of the cover versions best known there. See Wikipedia:Official names and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). jnestorius^(talk) 04:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would tend to agree... AnonMoos (talk) 07:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The articale should be called "nel blu di pinto di blu", and "volare" should be a redirect. Thefox258 (talk) 16:28, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually "Volare" is far better know even in Italy. Oddly, Italian language Wikipedia have the article at the "Nel blu dipinto di blu" title. --109.53.216.0 (talk) 22:13, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

disputed

"Volare" doesn't mean "to fly", and "to fly" is not the infinitive verb but the prospective verbal. "volare" means "flyt[i]an". "Nel Blu, Dipinto di Blu" would be "In th'Blue, Undabbed of Blue". The translation at [1] is okay but makes common compromises. Other translations in languages like Francish suck: [removed lyrics link per [[WP:COPYRIGHT]. That sounds nothing like the words! Translations and translators in general are awkful and shoddy: Talk:Untranslatability#disputed. -lysdexia 01:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

According to our own Wiktionary entry, "to fly" is a good translation of "Volare." Given the context in the song, I don't see how it could mean much else anyhow. Considering the tag has been up and nobody changed the article or responded to the anon edits above, I'm removing it.Æµ§œš¹ _{[aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi]} 22:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, "lysdexia" seems to be fond of archaic and Old English vocabulary, but the conventional standard modern English translation of volare would indeed be "to fly"... AnonMoos (talk) 07:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I speak Italian as 1st language. I'm worse in English: I don't know what "the prospective verbal" is, and also "flyt[i]an"). Anyhow: "Volare" means "to fly". And "dipinto" means "painted". --109.53.216.0 (talk) 22:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Internet meme

The karaoke version easily found in swf... It's really fun and due to the haste of the song, the 'lyrics' are somehow like: "pensoqueunsuenoparacidonovolveramás imipintabalamanuilacararasu" Sometimes even θ appears in an not-understandable saying (to non-native-speakers of the song original language)... 200.230.213.152 20:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yves Klein?

About ten years ago, the Museum of Contemporary Art in Sydney, Australia held an exhibition of the works of Yves Klein, who famously painted monochrome works in a colour he invented - International Klein Blue. The audio tour that came with the exhibition claimed that the controversy over canvases painted in a single colour inspired the writing of Volare. If this isn't correct, it might be worth noting in the article as a misconception? It may be significant that the International Klein Blue article claims that Klein first made the colour the central component of his art in 1958, the year Volare was written. Steve 08:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Salt Lake olympics

Was sung at the closing ceremonies of 2002 Salt Lake winter Olympics, as part of the presentation by the 2006 winter olympics city, Torino... AnonMoos 11:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That Semprini?

Does anybody happen to know for sure whether the Alberto Semprini who conducted this at the 1958 Eurovision Song Contest is the same Semprini who made easy listening records (and later became a Monty Python expletive)? --Camembert (talk) 01:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blu = Sky

In italian 'blu' means 'blue', but also 'sky'. I think the right translation would be 'In the Sky Painted Blue'. It makes more sense.--188.86.96.254 (talk) 10:00, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

I'm Italian, so I can tell that the right translation is somethink like "in the blue (of the sky), being myself painted by blue". In effect, the first words of the lyrics told of a dream where the dreamer painted himself with blue and started to fly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.127.83.40 (talk) 13:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ketsumeishi cover

From their 2012 album "Ketsunopolis 8," they have a cover of Volare called "ボラーレ　Nel Blu, Dipinto Di Blu" (75.65.220.204 (talk) 20:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC))[reply]

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Additional Film Entry . . .

In the 1973 film, Day of the Jackal, the Jackal (Edward Fox) goes to Genoa, Italy, to get some forged papers from The Forger (Ronald Pickup). During their initial meeting, The Forger is whistling Volare while letting some photographs dry that he has hung on a line. The movie is set in 1962 - 1963, but the song still has resonance in 1973 and is entirely appropriate to the time period of the movie. SinjinTheCat (talk) 15:21, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 07:40, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nel blu, dipinto di blu (song) → Volare (song) – WP:COMMONAME. This article has been moved twice under the same argument but we don't follow official names when a common name is more recognizable. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 01:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:12, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment/Oppose. I have mixed feelings on this. I think "Volare" as a title is better recognized by some, but nearly every search result has Nel blu dipinto di blu (Volare), Volare (Nel blu dipinto di blu) or Nel blu dipinto di blu, or Volare. The common name appears to be seldom used without the accompaniment of the real name. Grk1011 (talk) 15:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I also have mixed feeling around this subject. Yes "Volare" is more immediately recognisable in certain contexts and among certain groups, but I would agree with Grk1011 that it appears that it almost always appears in conjunction with "Nel blu, dipinto di blu", particularly the original version by Domenico Modugno. There may be instances with other versions, for example the Dean Martin or Gypsy Kings covers, in languages other than Italian where Volare is more prominent given it is the only Italian language word in the song, but in general I believe it makes more sense to keep this article under its original title as I don't believe WP:COMMONNAME is totally conclusive for either option. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.