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Excuse me. But if I recall the image on this article, although anti american propaganda, is not nazi. Are you guys sure? 200.222.30.9 16:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I intend to help contribute to this article by adding in details regarding the actions that German soldiers took in order to obey Nazi propaganda at the time. These topics include the enslavement of Jews and the way that the German soldiers viewed Jews. I will use the secondary source, Hitler's Army Soldiers, Nazis, and War In The Third Reich by Omer Bartov to help add in statistics regarding topics like POWs (Prisoners of War). Omer Bartov is a history professor who covers subjects such as German studies and European history. I intend to add to the "In Power" section of the article totaling about 200-300 words. If anyone has any comments on this plan, feel free to let me know. KevinB1515 (talk) 23:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Please help

Someone more familiar with the topic, please review the page and reverts etc. done by me others / contents as it was and so on. Thank you. --Bhadani 02:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Learned Elders

Could someone please prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that the Learned Elders of Zion do not exist and the book is in fact a fabrication? Many things history has shown me and what humanity faces today have been in fact predicted in that damn book, and whenever I check, a Jew is behind it. So if you dare consider the book a fabrication beyond a reasonable doubt, I want you to prove it as such, as an impartial court could build a 'conspiracy to commit crimes against humanity' indictment against the Learned Elders if an impartial court existed. 209.226.138.179 02:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid the onus is on you to provide evidence that it is not a fabrication and Tzarist Anti-Semitic propaganda. Also, this is not a forum. Take your knuckledragging to a blog. Cheerfully, freshacconcispeaktome 16:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

technical error

That one section that displays some pictures of propaganda posters sorta' covers some of the links section on the right-hand side...anybody know how u can fix it? --4.238.136.114 19:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)Yetislayer

Got rid of that toolbar template. They never really work right. -- fourdee ᛇᚹᛟ 20:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Toolbars are quite helpful and they link to other articles on the subject. Summarily removing the links to other Nazi articles is not a move that is helpful to readers. There are other ways of addressing formatting issues. Skywriter 22:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

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Klu Klux Klan

Interesting to see the Nazis apparently including a reference to the Klu Klux Klan in anti American propoganda. You would have thought they would be close buddies. - Streona —Preceding unsigned comment added by Streona (talk • contribs) 12:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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How reliable are Nazi propaganda photos?

Please see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Bundesarchiv_as_a_source.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Censorship and different POVs

Were there any non-Nazi media in Nazi Germany? Was there censorship (of domestic and foreign correspondents)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 13:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Nazi Germany as a state did not own all of the public media outlets directly (many were still private businesses), but all people working in the media were required to join the Reichskulturkammer, an association for control of all media within Nazi Germany and a part of Goebbels's Ministry of Propaganda, in order to be allowed to publish or exhibit anything or work for any newspaper, film studio, etc. Of course, membership required one to be Aryan, and if you did, wrote, published anything etc. the Nazis did not approve of, your membership could be revoked at any time, which rendered you without a work permit in the media. If you were lucky and were not arrested simultaneously, you could, in theory, still find work outside of the media, although if you had been expelled from any such state association such as the Reichskulturkammer, it pretty much rendered you an enemy of the state in the eyes of most potential employers, which meant that if they hired you, their business could potentially come under scrutiny of the authorities and be subjected to routine police searches and other pressures, etc.

As for an idea of how the Reichskulturkammer worked, every day it issued guidelines for all news outlets on how the Ministry of Propaganda wished certain sensitive events to be treated, including lists of words that were required to be used and words that were not allowed. If you did not stick to those official guidelines by the letter, your membership was revoked. Every morning, Goebbels received three files on his desk pertaining to his office as head of the Reichskulturkammer: One were the official guidelines for the day to be certified by him, one were classified news or informations only allowed to be known by ministry and state officials, and one were classified news and informations that within the ministry only he was allowed to know.

As for foreign correspondents reporting from Germany to foreign media outlets, I'm not quite sure what the business was. I'm pretty certain that all foreign mail or other exchange with foreign countries were subject to obligatory searches, i. e. all letters and packages were opened and searched by officials (whereas in case of exchanges within Germany, they were usually only searched if the Nazi authorities were already suspecting sender and/or recipient of any wrongdoings), and material pertaining to sensitive areas that the Nazis didn't wish to be known to foreign countries were seized immediately and the sender was arrested and/or deported to their home country. --37.82.159.177 (talk) 13:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

The Poodle-Pug-Dachshund-Pinscher

Children's book written in Nazi Germany, intended as propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.106.3 (talk) 06:00, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Tipical nazi propaganda

This site: [[1]] has a tipical nazi propaganda.This other video: [[2]] has photos, stamps,etc.Agre22 (talk) 22:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)agre22

Suggestions

In my opinion, this page does an excellent job at addressing the most prominent points of Nazi propaganda. However, I believe that the page can benefit from discussing some subtler questions and topics. Below are some of my suggestions.

1) Question: What proportion of Nazi propaganda was nationalistic and morale-raising (i.e. uniting the German nation and raising support for war) versus truth-skewing and denigrating (i.e. generating hatred for the Jews)?

2) Emphasize that propaganda was not generalized but was in fact often targeted to specific groups within the German population--for instance, 1) the young (Hitler Youth) and women, with the goal of regulating family life by emphasizing state over family; 2) the labor force, with the goal of generating enough support to power the Nazi regime's enormous war production; 3) the German army, with the goal of indoctrinating them and creating the concept of a "holy war."

3) Discuss other propagandist attacks on the "internal enemies" of the Nazi regime in addition to the Jews (although most prominent and extraordinarily important to discuss in its own right). Some of these groups include the Poles, Russians, and gypsies, in addition to "community aliens" within the German race that were targeted by eugenic ideas and policies.

4) Delve more deeply into the beginnings and causes of Nazi propaganda. This might involve elaborating more on Joseph Goebbels, who was instrumental to the propagandist machine. A related question might be this: Did the sentiments of German society spawn and direct Nazi propaganda or, quite conversely, did the themes of Nazi propaganda inoculate such sentiments into the German population? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gowaves121 (talk • contribs) 08:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

A child in Poland in 2007 petting doves? Nazi propaganda?

• Why is this picture in the Nazi Propaganda gallery?

Image:dove.jpg?

• It shows a child in Poland in 2007 petting doves. Venustas 12 (talk) 06:47, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Redirection from 'German propaganda'

While looking for German propaganda in general (for information about propaganda in WW1), I discovered that the article 'German propaganda' redirects to 'Nazi propaganda'. I'm sorry, but this implies that German = Nazi which is simply not true. I tried to edit it, but could not figure out how. Please could someone change this, as I find it an insult to Germans in general, that have nothing in common with Nazis. Thanks.--Helena 16:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Destructress (talk • contribs)

If you think the term should redirect somewhere else, or become an article or disambiguation page, you can change that here. If you think the redirect should disappear altogether, that's a case for WP:RFD.  Sandstein  20:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Lack of info on the effects of the propaganda, and other info.

I see a lot of details on types of propaganda, but I lack the interesting part that a serious article would have:

• what the effects of the propaganda were over time, and how did they differed domestically and internationally. A possible source could be Gordon, Sarah Ann ((March 1, 1984)). Hitler, Germans, and the 'Jewish Question. Princeton University Press. pp. 201–208. ISBN 0691101620.

Sarah Gordon writes that a majority of Germans appeared to approve of nonviolent removal of Jews from civil service and professions and German life.[36] The German public also accepted the Nuremberg laws because they thought they would act as stabilizers and end violence against Jews.[37] The German public had as a result of the Nazi antisemitic propaganda hardened their attitudes between 1935 and 1938 from the originally fairly favorable. By 1938 the propaganda had had effect and antisemitic policies were accepted, provided no violence was involved.[37] The Kristallnacht caused German opposition to antisemitism to peak, with the vast majority of Germans rejecting the violence and destruction, and many Germans aiding the Jews.[37] The Nazis responded by intimidation in order to discourage opposition, those aiding Jews were victims of large scale arrests and intimidation.[37]

Diagram showing the effects of strategic bombing on German morale in 1945. From the United States Strategic Bombing Survey, Morale Division.

• Another aspect of what I lack is how propaganda strengthened morale. The Image to the right shows how the Americans regarded "Morale bombing", and that propaganda was one of the means to encourage resistance. How exactly did the German propaganda keep the German civilian morale alive in the face of the intensive bombing campaign aimed at them and their families? This would be interesting to know, rather than just the dull fact that the pilots were labeled as criminals in propaganda.

• On the subject of bombing, I also miss mention of how propaganda dealt with the "terrorflieger", i.e. not bombs but fighter pilots using their machine-guns to target civilians. US fighter-ace Chuck Yaeger noted in his memoirs that "atrocities were committed by both sides" and went on to recount going on a mission with orders from the Eighth Air Force to "strafe anything that moved". During the mission briefing he whispered to Major Donald H. Boschkay; "if we are going to do things like this, we sure as hell better make sure we are on the winning side". He further noted "I’m certainly not proud of that particular strafing mission against civilians. But it is there, on the record and in my memory." Many bailed out pilots were lynched by outraged civilians, and German authorities were sufficiently concerned by the killings of civilians by Allied fighter-pilots that they considered breaking the Geneva Convention in regards to Allied airmen.[3],[4] Surely the term terrorflieger "Terror-Aviators" must have figured prominently in German propaganda towards the end of the war?

*I also lack a section on the German movie industry. Before the US occupation troops shut it down it was a very impressive and a serious competitor to Hollywood. Naturally the US took the opportunity to kill the competition after the war, but before and during the war German films were shown all across Europe. And this article says nothing about them?

--Stor stark7 ^Speak 05:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Structure

I was thinking of inserting for example the two items below, but could not readily see where in the current structure these "positive" propaganda items could fit. Any suggestions for structure, or maybe I've misunderstood "propaganda"?

• Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany
• Strength Through Joy

--Stor stark7 ^Speak 00:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think Strength Through Joy would belong as a subsection under Volksgemeinschaft, insofar as the program was propaganda.Goldfritha (talk) 16:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Splitting

In view of the size -- I'm thinking of breaking off Nazi propaganda by media and some of the thematic ones, into ones like Nazi propaganda on Great Britain or Nazi racial pride propaganda.Goldfritha (talk) 16:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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A 1937 anti-Bolshevik Nazi propaganda poster. A man with a skeleton face stands over bloody corpses, wielding a whip. His hat and clothing are Bolshevik in style. Before World War II, Nazi propaganda strategy, officially promulgated by the Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, stressed several themes. Their goals were to create external enemies (countries that allegedly inflicted the Treaty of Versailles on Germany) and internal enemies. Translated caption: "Bolshevism without a mask – large anti-Bolshevik exhibition of the NSDAP Gauleitung Berlin from November 6 to December 19, 1937, in the Reichstag building".Poster: Herbert Agricola; Restoration: Jujutacular

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Contribution: French poster

I've just uploaded a picture of a poster which I think could help illustrate this article. I'm new to editing Wikipedia so any help is more than welcome.

--Facu89 (talk) 14:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Textbooks (gallery)

These imagess, uploaded 17 August 2007, were deleted 3 May 2014 by User:Werieth on WP:NFG grounds.

In fact they have already survived a 2011 speedy deletion cull. I've reverted Werieth with a request to clarify here. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 01:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

There is currently an open discussion at Wikipedia:Non-free_content_review#Nazi_propaganda about this issue. You may be interested in participating there. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 01:44, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

@TLSuda: I've just self-reverted. I think the form of the contributing editor overrides here. I was unaware of that when I first reverted. Apologies. I will contribute at the discussion. Thank you. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 01:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Really I was just dropping by to let you know. Since two editors both wanted to discuss (a noble way to handle this) and one discussion was more advanced and in a more specific place, I thought it should be known. Cheers, TLSuda (talk) 01:53, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. It's a chastening experience. I had no idea. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 02:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

The work in question (Hans F. K. Günther's Short Ethnology of the German People) was not strictly speaking a work of Nazi propaganda and shouldn't be illustrated in the article. Banned [[User:Fourdee]] (uploader) misrepresented it as a school textbook so that he could present images from it that furthered his own white supremacist agenda. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:10, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Nazi Postcards

Postcards as Nazi propaganda are not mentioned. I'd have thought they were important given that they could be posted overseas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.9.151.254 (talk) 13:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Fear of reprisals

@Irondome: your addition is correct. I was thinking though of removing "and thus guarantee their continued loyalty through fear by Nazi-conjectured scenarios of supposed post-war Allied reprisals" as it seems to be covered by the quote following (if it's not too unclear.) Also, I think post-war Jewish reprisals were more specifically focused on than Allied. zzz (talk) 02:48, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

This is very interesting. Appreciate the swift reply. I'm thinking that the following quote is a bit vague. It really deserves a section expansion. We could cautiously add the Morgenthau Plan and the obscure privately published pamphlet that was circulated in the U.S. in 1941 (the author's name escapes me at the moment) that G seized on and cynically blew up into some vast "Allied-Jewish" official policy. The sources are out there but we need to be cautious in wording. We do not want to inflame the crazies. Thoughts welcomed. Irondome (talk) 03:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Lead

I added the "Expand lead" the article. The material is great, but the lead is way too short, not providing an adequate overview of the subject. If someone would be willing to expand it, that would be great! K.e.coffman (talk) 23:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Themes

Strange section - an unsourced selecttion of few themes, without anti-Semitism and anti-Slavism.Xx236 (talk) 12:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Poland is mentioned only at the beginning August/September 1939. Katyn massacre was used by the Nazis in 1943.

Slavs are mentioned at the very beginning only. Please compare Anti-Slavic sentiment.Xx236 (talk) 12:19, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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Propaganda in Nazi Germany → Nazi propaganda – WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, and most importantly WP:PRECISE—the article is discussing the propaganda of the Nazi Party throughout its existence, even before it established Nazi Germany in 1933. The article does not discuss Allied propaganda in Nazi Germany, i.e. broadcast or leaflets. Proposed title more accurately states what the article is about. buidhe 08:26, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

• It looks like the article was at "Nazi propaganda" until Piotrus made an undiscussed move in 2016, citing consistency reasons. [5] buidhe 08:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• Support, simpler. Sandstein 09:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - that title would expand the scope to include modern Nazi propaganda, which would not be appropriate. Keep it limited to the specific country (and yes, that means it can include a brief mention of Allied propaganda used inside the country, if warranted). I'd not oppose Propaganda of Nazi Germany (per Propaganda of Fascist Italy), but that's a second choice and I'm not sure its better. -- Netoholic @ 14:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This would expand the scope to Nazism in other countries, and its various incarnations after World War II. Dimadick (talk) 18:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• Comment propaganda of the Nazi Party is what authors universally mean by "Nazi propaganda"; I searched the first thirty results on Google Books and didn't find a single one that was referring to Nazism in other countries or neo-Nazi propaganda. "Propaganda of Nazi Germany" is still a misleading name because this article covers pre-1933,[6] before Nazi Germany was established. Furthermore, a considerable amount of literature is devoted to Nazi propaganda distributed outside of Germany [7][8][9][10] buidhe 20:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

  As for commonname, on Google Scholar there are 30,000 results for "Nazi propaganda"[11] compared to 126 for ""Propaganda of Nazi Germany".[12] Likewise, I checked the first thirty results for "Nazi propaganda" and found that they were all about the propaganda of the original Nazi Party. buidhe 20:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support. For the opposers, I would not object to a section on post-1945 propaganda just to round out the scope. Compared to actual Nazi Party propaganda, it's pretty insignificant, so it shouldn't alter the focus of the article. Better that than "a brief mention of Allied propaganda used inside the country". But perhaps best of all to leave the scope alone. Srnec (talk) 22:36, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Would be potentially confused with modern Nazi propaganda. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for reasons above, e.g. by Rreagan007. Leave it more specific. Dicklyon (talk) 03:59, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per my original reason (consistency), and other reasons mentioned here (clear scope). While COMMONNAME is a valid argument, I think consistency is more important, that's why we have disambiguation and such. Nazi propaganda should be a higher level article discussing Nazi propaganda outside Nazi Germany time and era or a disambig. Or a redirect here, with a disambig and separate article somewhere else. But the point is that term can refer to more than just Nazi Germany products. A quick Google search reveals, for example, that the topic of neo-Nazi propaganda is quite notable and should have its own article.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Neo-Nazi propaganda may be notable, but it is a WP:PTM and not called "Nazi propaganda" in reliable sources. A higher level article on Nazi propaganda doesn't work because it would require that we redefine "Nazi propaganda" to mean something other than what virtually all reliable sources use it for. buidhe 06:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This is a completely different topic since Nazi propaganda in the 1930s and 40s happened in many countries outside Germany including the USA. Maybe we need both. --Nillurcheier (talk) 07:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

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I restored the prior image in this edit; my rationale was: "Image of the Propaganda Minister is more appropriate in the lead, vs a random antisemitic poster". --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:49, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I would add a brief mention of Kolberg

This film was propaganda intended for the German people.50.111.44.55 (talk) 08:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Master's degree thesis which may be used to find more sources

I found this. I believe in many situations it is not preferable to cite master's degree theses, but this may link to resources which would be useful in further developing the article:

• Casanave, Chester Ferdinand Jr. (December 1975). Joseph Goebbels and Nazi Propaganda: An Assessment of Success and Failure. Morehead State University.

The biliography is on pages 163-164, or PDF pages 166-167/168 WhisperToMe (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hitler and the "big lie"

I changed the word from "coined" to "used," as Hitler did not originate the phrase. For example, there is a 1921 book titled “Die große Lüge: Beitrag zur Kriegsschuld-Frage." A search of Google books finds numerous other pre-Hitler uses of the phrase. Bytwerk (talk)

Nazi propaganda outside the Reich

This page describes mostly propaganda in Reich:

• The Netherlands is not mentioned.
• France is mentioned in Books,Comics, External broadcasts.
• Belgium - External broadcasts.
• Norway - Newspapers in occupied countries.
• Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia - nothing. Theresienstadt Ghetto was used for general propaganda.
• Ukraine is mentioned only in one short subsection Newspapers in occupied countries.

Xx236 (talk) 09:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Either this page should be rather Nazi propaganda or an additional page about Nazi propaganda outside Germany should be written.Xx236 (talk) 10:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Fully support. The title move by User:Piotrus ought to be reverted. The current title is absurdly impractical, since the scope of Nazi propaganda was far broader than Nazi Germany. In fact, the rationale of consistency invoked for the move is easily stood on its head - we need articles that consistently discuss the propaganda of a given entity (state, institution, group) regardless of geographical borders. As a reasonable minimum, it should be "Nazi propaganda in occupied Europe" (on the assumption that propaganda is most effectively organised on the territory that is controlled by the power apparatus from which it originates), but even then we would leave out the Nazi propaganda in the UK and the USA (actually discussed in the article). There is absolutely no point in setting up separate articles for each state that might have been targeted by Nazi propaganda - it is the equivalent of discussing the whales in the Atlantic separately from whales in the Pacific. Revivalist Nazi propaganda dating from after the defeat of Nazism in 1945 obviously counts as neo-Nazi and would not be covered.

Of course, the fact that this move could have happened without causing a major mismatch between the title and the content also begs the question of where the discussions of Nazi propaganda outside Germany currently sit on Wikipedia. Perhaps they are badly missing or stuck into history sections of individual territories, or elsewhere still. But the article does contain information on other countries and so the original title should be restored for logical correspondence.

Last but not least - there is an article on Communist propaganda. Should that also be divided up country by country? VampaVampa (talk) 06:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Propaganda in Nazi Germany =/= Nazi propaganda. We need two articles, obviously. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Antisemitic films

I have added two titles and YV source, the films should be described. Xx236 (talk) 09:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Unsourced

I have removed "More than 60 Norwegian newspaper editors were executed and 3000 were sent to concentration camps." The referenced text does not support it. Xx236 (talk) 14:31, 16 March 2023 (UTC)