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Obviously the disciple Jesus loved

Who else could it be but the character from John's Gospel? Nothing surprising here: ancient greeks doing a feast, aka. an orgy. Yes, that kind of orgy was the Last Supper. Can't wait a historicaly accurate adaptation of the story. 89.134.2.163 (talk) 11:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

Drmies, I am unable to post directly on your talk page so I will start the topic here. Clearly you have some reasoning for maintaining the KJV status quo on this article and rather than fight through edits we may as well discuss it.

For me it is very clear that the NRSV (NRSVue specifically) is the obvious choice of translation for it is the academically popular translation of our day and reaches the closest thing to consensus something like religion is likely to reach. It is not a perfect translation (such a thing is probably impossible), though it is regarded for its accuracy as well as its denominational agnosticism. The truth is that, for English, a wide variety of translations is the best approach. But for the sake of this article, the NRSV stands as the obvious choice for attempting non-bias. To quote the NRSV article on Wikipedia,

It is "used broadly among biblical scholars, the NRSV was intended as a translation to serve the devotional, liturgical, and scholarly needs of the broadest possible range of Christian religious adherents."

The same cannot be said of the KJV. Although the KJV has a rich standing in English tradition as you point out, it is hardly regarded for its accuracy. In the contexts of Wikipedia where we are attempting to shed as much bias as possible, I do not see a strong argument for maintaining KJV as the default translation, especially for purposes of inertia, when the translation was published in 1611 with very obvious denominational preference. And in that light, the NRSV follows the same structure of the KJV anyway, just with the express intention of updating the language to a more faithful representation by using earlier sources that were not available to translators in previous centuries. Jhonevans (talk) 05:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jhonevans, this talk page is precisely where these matters should be discussed. If you're going to talk in the plural about what we are trying to achieve in Wikipedia, please don't do so after dropping insults in your edit summary: putting "irrelevant and grasping" in the actual history of the article is a bit rude, esp. if you couldn't be bothered to properly explain your edit the first time. Drmies (talk) 13:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]