Talk:Muslim Magomayev (musician)

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Did you know... that the Azerbaijani singer Muslim Magomayev, who sang with great success at La Scala and the Paris Olympia, was not allowed to pursue an international career by the Soviet Ministry of Culture?

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Muslim Magomaev (singer) is son of Muslim Magomaev (composer), one of the great composers of Azerbaijan. How should we resolve the problem of creating two articles with exactly the same name? Also the name "Muslim Magomaev" should change to "Muslim Magomayev" I think as in Uzeyir Hajibeyov, Gara Garayev and et c.

Isn't he the guy who made the song "Melodiya," if he did I think we should give him some recognition for that song, or at least mention it on this aritcle.

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Ethnicity!

He is not of Azerbaijani but of Lezgian origin!--Alecxo (talk) 18:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Muslim Magomayev's father was of Lezgins ethnicity and his mother was of Tatar ethnicity. Lezgin

References needed - source

Here's a source which can be used to provide inline citations for some of the article -- http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/text/news/2008/10/208341.shtml --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 11:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Russian version for sources, I wrote both articles and used the same sources. --Grandmaster (talk) 07:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If sources were in Russian, they can hardly be used in an English language article because those Russian language sources do not lend themselves to being verified by the majority of editors of the English language Wikipedia.--RossF18 (talk) 15:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course they can be used. It is up to people to verify them themselves, foreign language sources are not dismissed, otherwise WP would be only an American-Euro-centric resource. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 15:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Correction, foreign sources translated into English can be used, but foreign sources in original language aside from English cannot be verified by the majority of English speaking editors on Wikipedia. Having sources in Russian that only Russian speakers can verify about a Russian musician does not really qualifies as an English language verified document. An English article really needs to be verified in English, whether from English sources or foreign sources translated into English. "It is up to people to verify them themselves" - well, you mean only those who speak Russian and edit English language Wikipedia. That subset of people is too small. If you'd like to make an English version of these sources available, great. --RossF18 (talk) 19:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link to the obituary from The Times, I hope it solves the problem. It provides a good overview of Magomayev's life and artistic career. --Grandmaster (talk) 12:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RossF18, please note Wikipedia:V#Non-English_sources. Many topics on WP do not have English sources available. Take Embassy of Germany in Saint Petersburg for example. One of the only English sources states that Hitler liked the building. The rest is sourced, inline with WP policy, from Russian sources, because English of a high standard of the Russian sources do not exist. That is the difference, and why many articles from ex-USSR, particularly biographical articles such as this one, are sometimes required to have non-English sources. --Russavia ^{Dialogue Stalk me} 21:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the text you cited:

Because this is the English Wikipedia, for the convenience of our readers, editors should use English-language sources in preference to sources in other languages, assuming the availability of an English-language source of equal quality, so that readers can easily verify that the source material has been used correctly. Where editors translate any direct quote, they should quote the relevant portion of the original, non-English text in a footnote or in the article. Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations made by Wikipedia editors.

doesn't contradict anything I've said. For the person of Magomayev's stature, I hardly think that availability of an English-language source of equal quality presents such a problem that we have to resort to Russian language sources. Now, in the interest of disclosure, I'm fluent in Russian so Russian sources present no problem personally. However, in the interest of readers, I don't think we should generalize about the "many articles from ex-USSR." This is not some biography of some reclusive or hardly known Russian singer. This is perhaps THE Soviet singer. I am hard pressed to believe that for the person of Magomayev's stature, "English of a high standard of the Russian sources do not exist." I have no problem with the current Russian citations, but they should not be the only citations relied upon.--RossF18 (talk) 03:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will add more citations, I'm a regular editor of this article. Please give me some time, I'm a little busy at the moment. --Grandmaster (talk) 05:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I see no point in using the word "reportedly". Why not juts say that his daughter lives in the USA? And you removed her name along the way, I believe accidentally. Grandmaster (talk) 05:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was accidental - but note that the source did not give the daughter's name so if you have another source for her name, you'll have to cite that. You can do away with reportedly.--RossF18 (talk) 12:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a source, even with a picture of her at the funeral: [1] Grandmaster (talk) 13:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do we still need a tag on top of the article requesting more sources? Grandmaster (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is every sentence or general paragraph (if from one source) sourced? If not, then yes, we still need more sources. --RossF18 (talk) 19:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

What religion was he? His name suggests he was a Muslim; does anyone actually know? Werdnawerdna (talk) 04:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was Muslim, and he was buried according to Muslim tradition. But he was not a religious person. Grandmaster (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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"Soviet, Azerbaijani, and Russian"

Naming all three nationalities in the lead sentence seems excessively wordy, especially since the idea of a "Soviet" nationality was introduced in order to effectively override regional identities. Does anyone have anything against rewriting it as "Soviet and Russo-Azerbaijani" or "Soviet and Russo-Azeri"? Orchastrattor (talk) 00:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]