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There is zero evidence that the German government or any home-grown fascist organizations had anything to do with this property. We only have the word of one college professor who talked to the last owners of the property, and that info is very vague. I also don't think that the Daily Mail should be used as a source...

This is a sober-minded article from LA Curbed about the subject: http://la.curbed.com/archives/2014/09/what_really_happened_at_rustic_canyons_rumored_nazi_ranch.php

This whole subject is not quite as juicy as it seems...

Dubious?

This Reuschstein, Yosef H. The Journal of Yosef Reuschstein. Print does not seem to exist. There is no "Reuschstein" on Wikipedia. reference seems dubious. Jim1138 (talk) 07:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some Kook?

According to Norma Theanne Stevens, daughter of Norman Stevens, the family lived there during the war and "All of this about nazis and a Herr Schmidt is a bunch of garbage, totally made up by some kook." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.137.134.50 (talk) 13:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Legend

As stated above, there is no factual basis for the Nazi story. A more likely story is told by Stanton Stevens, grandson of Norman and Winona Stevens, in the book "The True Story of Murphy Ranch". As Theanne Stevens says, the urban legend is "totally made up by some kook," or at least people who easily believe and expand on urban legends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveRulesAll (talk • contribs) 20:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More History and Corrections

I have rewritten the page to provide much more information about the history of Murphy Ranch. I also broke out the Nazi urban legend into its own section. The previous version was mainly about the legend. If you have some feedback for me, please let me know. Please DON'T do a heavy-handed reversion to the previous version because there is something that you don't like! I am open to learning more about how to improve a Wikipedia article, and would be happy to dialog about it.

Stanton Stevens' source

Stevens' explanation is compelling, but as a descendant of subjects of the article he is not independent. Risedemise (talk) 09:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia article is very limited, one should read my book, https://a.co/d/ba0IvnN, if you really want to consider the story and the page's accuracy. The LA Times is working on an article on Murphy Ranch, if I cite that and update the page, would that satisfy your objection? I certainly can't expect them to update the Wikipedia page; I am the best qualified to "curate" the story and I purposefully tried to be objective in the Wikipedia page. LoveRulesAll (talk) 20:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed the currently available reliable sources seem limited primarily to rumors with scarce hard facts, and this article prior to your rewrite was not in great shape. Nevertheless, a book written by a relative can't simply be taken as gospel, and needs to be independently verified by reliable sources (such as the LA Times) or independent scholars. Or at the very least, assertions that haven't been independently verified ought to be stated on Wikipedia as claims, rather than asserted as fact.

Additionally, please note Wikipedia strongly discourages Conflict Of Interest editing. Please read the linked guidelines for editing articles on topics you are connected to. Risedemise (talk) 05:41, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]