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On 11 February 2013, it was proposed that this article be moved to Merida (Disney). The result of the discussion was moved.

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Name

I see most pages that mention Merida spell her name "Mérida", with an accent. This spelling is incorrect. You can look on the official websites, in mechandise, in the film's credit, her name is spelled "Merida", without any accent, in all official material.--Gray Catbird (talk) 23:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Maybe we should start proposing the move.--Krystaleen 10:40, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Mérida (Disney) → Merida (Disney) – The use of an accent in the spelling of her name is incorrect. The film's end credits, as well as all official press releases from Disney/Pixar, including official websites like http://disney.go.com/Brave, spell her name "Merida", without any accent. Gray Catbird (talk) 01:00, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed.--Krystaleen 04:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The sources seem to back this up. Also, the disambiguation parenthetical should be changed to "(Disney character)" to properly conform with Wikipedia disambiguation convention. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It looks like that was the original name of the page, and I don't see any discussion or explanation for moving it to 'Mérida'. Let's change it back. -Narsil (talk) 07:08, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Disney Princess Makeover Controversy

Hi think it should be added the recent controversy created when Merida was introduced as a new Disney Princess, depicting a thinner, more "sexualized" version of a young girl than that depicted in Brave. There were notes on different websites such as IGN: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/12/fired-brave-director-slams-disney-over-merida-makeover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Гонсо (talk • contribs) 20:52, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Someone did add that information to the article for the film itself, but it would be more appropriate here, since the controversy involves the character, not the film. I've moved the information here. --McDoob AU93 21:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Image

The article originally had a CG artwork of Merida's; it was recently replaced, without explanation, with her redesign for the Disney Princess franchise. I don't see why her design in something that can be regarded as a minor merchandise-driven spin-off should prevail over her look in the film itself. To give a random, extreme example, it would be like replacing Jack Sparrow by a picture of his LEGO minifigure. Brave was a computer-animated film, and I don't think a 2D image is representative of the character. Note my comment has nothing to do with the recent controversy around her redesign (I personnaly find the Disney Princess design more faithful than I was expecting). But I think the image should be changed.--Gray Catbird (talk) 21:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The controversy is notable enough to warrant an inclusion of both images, to show the differences. JDDJS (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced the image with one of her in her CGI form. The other image was not a true portrayal of her; they even pulled it from the Disney Princess website. However, it would make sense to add the resigned image to the controversy section to illustrate what caused the controversy. JDDJS (talk) 00:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with that. However, appears someone reverted the image to its previous state... --Gray Catbird (talk) 15:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An image of Merida at a Disney park should be added to the article. Not only does this add to the article, this would be a free image. There are plenty of images on Flickr. I would do it, but I am unfamiliar with the policy of uploading images from Flickr. Here are 2 possibilities if someone else does it: [1] [2]. JDDJS (talk) 14:51, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's still likely that there are free images available on Flickr, and if not there, somebody on WP has an image of her. JDDJS (talk) 15:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How about these: [3] [4] [5] [6]. JDDJS (talk) 15:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit harder to find free images than you might expect. Anyone who does not specifically release rights has effectively copyrighted their image.

As for the new batch, we can't use them either. Please see Wikipedia:Image#Finding_images_on_the_Internet: "Images with any license restricting commercial use or the creation of derivative works may not be used on Wikipedia." These images are marked "Some rights reserved" which Flickr describes (in part) by saying "Noncommercial — You may not use this work for commercial purposes" and "No Derivative Works — You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work."

Given that there's some work involved in finding a suitable image, you might want to wait to see if there is a consensus to include one here. It'd suck to go through a good bit of work for nothing. (I don't have an opinion, at the moment.) After that, you might take a look at Wikipedia:Finding_images_tutorial. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the image is free and official, I don't see why anybody would be against it. I mean, all it does is add to the page. I'm not talking about replacing the current image; I'm talking about just adding another photo. JDDJS (talk) 16:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's another one [7]. JDDJS (talk) 16:11, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move

Was it the right thing to do by moving this page is Merida (Pixar)? I think Merida (Disney) was the better title. Pixar did the animation for the film, but it was a Disney produced and released the film. She is a Disney princess, and is featured in Disney's marketing campaigns. I think the page should be moved back.Caringtype1 (talk) 18:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that just because she appeared in Disney merchandise like the Disney Princess line she has to be renamed Merida (Disney). Even though it was bought by Disney, Pixar Animation Studios is a studio in its own right. The only reason I would see to keep it to Merida (Disney) would be to keep consistency with the pages of other Disney characters, but then, I don't what are Wikipedia's rules on naming disambiguated pages.--Gray Catbird (talk) 01:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think Merida (Disney) is the more appropriate name. While, technically Pixar did the animation for the original movie, Disney is the far more recognizable brand, and more than distinguishes this page from similarly-titled ones. Disney produced and released the film, and Merida is widely known as a Disney princess, and the other Disney princess/characters articles use (Disney), including this one which is a GA.Caringtype1 (talk) 00:19, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In universe

I changed "Merida is currently making appearances..." to "An actress portraying Merida makes..." to reflect the fact that Merida does not exist. I was reverted because, "Thats not how they are usually worded." In Philadelphia, an actor portraying Benjamin Franklin talks to tourists in Old City. He is not Ben Franklin. Kids do not meet Merida, they meet an actress portraying the character. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:58, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In all of the Disney character articles, they are worded as "so and so is making an appearance...", so if you really want to change it, this discussion should really take place at WP:DISNEY because they should all be the same. Personally, I don't get what's wrong with the way it is wording. Disney never uses the term actress when referring to its staff, but it's not like it is misleading the way it is presented. When a fictional character makes an appearance in another film, there is never a need to clarify the fact that it is just a fictional portrayal; readers understand that the characters aren't real. JDDJS (talk) 14:17, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an issue of the WP:DISNEY group, unless they wish to somehow set Disney articles above the community consensus on the issue, reflected in the WP:INUNIVERSE guideline, demanding a real-world perspective in the description of fictional characters. Merida is a fictional character, no one can meet her in a theme park. In the real world, this is an actress portraying the fictional character. This is not limited to Disney related articles, as no one meets Ben Franklin in Old City Philadelphia, Revolution era soldiers at Valley Forge, SpongeBob at a water park, etc. Superman did not ring my doorbell last October 31, a kid in a costume did. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:34, 13 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Singing Voice?

Why does the article say that Julie Flowis provides Merida's signing voice? Brave isn't a musical, Merida never sings.Caringtype1 (talk) 19:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The name "Merida" is not Scottish Gaelic, it is Spanish though it may be appropriate because many scholars believe that some ancestors of the Scotts came from Galicia or Basque regions. (Nameberry.com) Disney considered using the name Mairead or Maighread, Irish or Scottish form of the name Margaret, respectively but decided that Merida was easier to say and remember.Alisonvolatpropriis (talk) 19:47, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Plot of Brave

It says:
One evening, Merida discovers that the king's allied clan lords are presenting their sons as suitors for her [who? Elinor? → Elinor's] hand in marriage. The lords arrive with their sons, who are not ~~her~~ the type of Elinor. Merida chooses archery to win ~~her~~ freedom for her sister. After ~~she~~ Elinor wins the competition herself, Elinor forewarns Merida that feuding set right [use other words, it's not understandable], but Merida leaves and encounters a wil-o-the wisp. A trail of them soon lead her to a witch's cottage. Merida asks the witch for a spell to change her fate. The witch gives Merida a spell cake and she gives it to Elinor, ~~but it transforms her~~ whom it transforms into a black bear. Merida gets Elinor out of the castle, as her father is a bear hunter.

Can we fix that? Did I get it correctly? --Saippuakauppias ⇄ 12:43, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]