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Merge proposal

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Gareth (Mega Man) and Berkana (Mega Man) are nothing but plot summary of this game (and OR-ish description of his personality). As they are dupe content and per WP:FICT, they should be merged here. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. They do contain information concerning the character's personallitys. To be honest, any character page is going to contain plot information from the source they came from - but its pretty hard to give more detail when a character's only appeared once. --ACE Spark 01:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heres a suggestion. Someone alter the background histories to sound less like a plot summary of a game. Could look better. --ACE Spark 01:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Augh, please don't. The personality sections are wholly unsourced and wholly unencyclopedic, and we don't need background history for a character appearing in one minor spinoff MM game. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course its "unsourced". That's the most mindbogglingly stupidest thing I've heard from an editor. They're derived from observations made in game, although its posible I could source them from citations made from quotes in game. Ethier way, its no problem.
Unencyclopedic..? I'm not so sure. It gives insight to the character and its motivation. In Joseph McCarthy, silly, perhaps. Not a fictional character. In any circumstance, its widely done across many articles in this vein I don't see a reason to contest it at this point. -Randall Brackett 02:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They're conclusions derived by the author? That makes them original research. The fact that it is common in many articles doesn't mean that it's a good idea; it's something that needs to be fixed on sight, and "personality" sections are conspicuous in their absence in the fictional character FAs. Plus, you know, WP:OR is policy and all. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop wikilawyering.
Articles may not contain any previously unpublished theories, data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas; or any new analysis or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas that serves to advance a position.
Sums it up. In addition, the section was derived from the Mega Man Network, a reputable fan site in analysis. I'm not concerned if a good idea or not. Its neutral, describes the character and can be sourced if need be. I actually said it would be if this were a different subject, but this is not the place to quibble about policy. -Randall Brackett 02:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't source it, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia.

This isn't wikilawyering, and this is a canonical example of "new analysis or synthesis of published data".

As for "Mega Man Network," I don't think that qualifies as a reliable source. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Take it to WP:OR, then. I've verified it can be sourced so I've no idea what you are talking about. Although this isn't really germane to this conversation, which is the discussion on the merges. -Randall Brackett 02:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean, "take it to WP:OR"? It's not a process page.
As for "verifying it can be sourced," you've linked to a URL squatter page. Not much of a source. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They've moved the website. I need to fix the URL: http://megaman.retrofaction.com/ -Randall Brackett 02:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How is that site a reliable published source? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How is it not...? They provide daily updates on the source in question, they have various interviews with the creator of Mega Man and Capcom officials and the data has been verified as acurate by a large number of players. They also poseessed lexicons, encyclopedias and other referennces. In 2004, I believe, they experienced problems with the servers and lost this, instead pouring the effort into the forums and other places.
It doesn't matter if it can be sourced or not form their website. I need only to add cites using quotes from in-game. Similar to referencing in Final Fantasy-related pages. The source is merely to verify that we documented the data from them, not as a source the data is verifible. I said bring this to WP:OR because you're wikilawyering about policy instead of the work at hand. The pont is I did not do it and as such is not original research. I'll make cites later (need a story FAQ; I no longer have the game). -Randall Brackett 02:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Referring you to WP:OR and demanding that you use reliable sources for something I see as crufty speculation isn't Wikilawyering. It's being courteous before deleting unsourced information on sight.

As for the merge, these are minor characters appearing in only one work. I don't see how WP:FICT doesn't apply. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have confused me there. When did I say WP:FICT did not apply? -Randall Brackett 03:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't. ACE Spark implied it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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GA Review

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Reviewer: Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk · contribs) 08:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I'll take this. I notice you're not a major contributor to this article nor has edited it in the slightest degree. Before I proceed with the review, could you explain what drove you to pursue this GAN of an article that was created as well as significantly expanded by a seemingly-retired Wikipedian? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well I believe that this article already meets the criteria of Good Article status. Just that it hasn't been nominated. I have done this a few times before, usually Mega Man articles anyway. If there are issues with the article I'll fix them. GamerPro64 06:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, sorry if I might be procrastinating a little bit on this review. I'll get right into it as soon as I can. In the meantime, I've added a review template outlining which criteria the article has passed on. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

 Reviewing...

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    Lede

#:::Delink "video game" and remove "handheld game console"; revise to "Mega Man Xtreme 2 is a game developed and published by Capcom for the Game Boy Color.. You also have the option to note the fact it's an "action-platform game"

  1. It is a spin-off title in the Mega Man X series and is a follow-up to Mega Man Xtreme, released the previous year. Use "which" as relative pronoun for clarity

#:::in an unknown year 21XX" -> remove as it's redundant with the fact that the game is set at the 22nd century

#::: The DNA souls of robots known as "Reploids" all around the world are being stolen by a pair of villains in order to create an army of undead "Mavericks". could use a copy edit

#:::Mega Man Xtreme 2 is a similar take on the series action and platforming gameplay formula while combining elements from home console versions of the Mega Man X series Revise to, The gameplay is similar to previous Mega Man games, retaining most elements from the home console versions of the series.

#:::Critical reception for Mega Man Xtreme 2 was mixed preposition should be "to"

#::: Critical reception and its supporting content should be separated into another paragraph

To be continued. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 08:09, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • "all around the world
  • Let's try merging those sentences about the similarity to the previous games and character-switching feature; try The gameplay is similar to previous Mega Man games, retaining most elements from the home console versions of the series, but adds the ability to switch between characters to use unique abilities.
  • Defeating the stage's boss will earn that player character its special weapon. Expand to, Each character has a different set of stages and bosses; defeating the stage's boss will earn that character its special weapon.
  • Done.
  • In hindsight, third paragraph looks really thin. Expand by adding the game's announcement in Japan and planned localization in NA (preferably in the opening sentence), as well as all release dates
Plot
  • She steals the souls of Reploids to enhance her own power, and that of her loyal partner Gareth. -> She steals the souls of Reploids to enhance her own power as well as that of her loyal partner Gareth.
Gameplay
  • I don't know which you prefer, "level" or "stage"; either way, you must be consistent with what you prefer
  • from first three home console Mega Man X games "from the"
  • Stages are typically linear and present a number of traps and enemy robots to combat; collecting DNA Souls and items that refill health, ammunition, and extra lives; power-ups that improve the player's maximum health; and armor parts that grant X new abilities. First semicolon is misused; just link clauses with a conjunction, Stages are typically linear and present a number of traps and enemy robots to combat, whereby the player can collect DNA Souls and items that refill health, ammunition, and extra lives; power-ups that improve the player's maximum health; and armor parts that grant X new abilities.
  • Zero risks losing health more often by getting closer to enemies drop "more often"
  • X uses his "X-Buster" to shoot enemies from a distance. It can be charged up to inflict more damage to enemies. -> revise to, X uses his long-range "X-Buster", which can be charged up for increased damage.
  • "his slashes are more damaging" how about "his sword attacks deal more damage"?
  • is that X and Zero do not both gain a weapon "is that neither X nor Zero gains a weapon"
Development and release
  • Whole paragraph needs reformatting. Just convert last three sentences into second paragraph. Also, keep instances of Mega Man Xtreme 2 to a bare minimum
  • by subtracting her beret and giving her a uniform a "schoolgirl look" to make her look younger. -> by discarding her beret and giving her a uniform that would exude a youthful "schoolgirl look".
  • during March 2001 "in March 2001"
  • Prior to the Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) drop "the"
Reception and legacy  Doing...
  • In 2012, IGN listed both Mega Man Xtreme games among the titles they wished to see downloadable from the Nintendo eShop for Nintendo 3DS => In 2012, IGN listed both Mega Man Xtreme and its predecessor as among the titles they wished to see downloadable from the Nintendo eShop for the Nintendo 3DS. Wikilink IGN as well
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
Gameplay
  • Like the Game Boy incarnations of the classic Mega Man series and its predecessor, Mega Man Xtreme 2 primarily reuses bosses and elements from first three home console Mega Man X games along with the character of Iris, a fully playable Zero and a few background environments from X4 and a truncated version of the parts system from X6. Borders on original research. Please go no further than what the sources actually say. Besides, sentence is too long
  • Reply: Just use the following sentence as the opening in first paragraph and cite the AllGame review as source Like its predecessor, Mega Man Xtreme 2 is an action-platform game that contains the same gameplay as other Mega Man games. Notable changes for the sequel game, however, are the ability to switch between player characters X and Zero and the "DNA Soul" system, none of which is present in previous Mega Man X games.
  • These upgrades range from speed and power improvements, health rechargers, and shielding. ungrammatical close paraphrasing
  • Reply: I'm afraid this is still closely paraphrased
  • Cite 9 and 10 need |url-status=dead inline
  • Overlinking on Capcom inline cites 3, 4 and 5
  • Reply: Just link one.
Reception and legacy  Doing...
  • Cite 21 needs better archived URL as the current one is broken
  • Failed verification on the Gamerankings source, as well as on the game's supposed Japanese 3DS Virtual Console release on December 25, 2013
  1. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
Development and release
  • as well the first title in another Mega Man spin-off series, Mega Man Battle Network for the Game Boy Advance. relevance?
  1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  2. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  3. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  4. Overall: OK, now I'm stumped. It seems that you're not interested in addressing some of my concerns for some reason. Very well. I shall fail this GAN as a matter of course. The article still has some issues on close paraphrasing and verifiability which you're either unable to fix or simply choose not to. Should you renominate the article, though, you might wanna put up a copy edit request at the Guild of Copy Editors beforehand, as there could be grammar issues left. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Pass/Fail:
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