Talk:Medina House

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because...

Although a weak article that's skewed to cover only the recent squatting phase, this building is considered locally significant. It's a prominent part of the Hove seafront and is listed by local government as part of the Cliftonville Conservation Area. --Andy Dingley (talk) 11:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Demolition now complete

No time to update article now, but Medina House has now been demolished. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New Medina House not on Turkish bath site

I don't know whether anyone is still looking after this article, but it needs updating in one important respect. Gilmore's house was built on the site of the Ladies' Swimming Baths, not the Turkish bath, which was on the opposite site of Sussex Road. This has been confirmed by a conservation report and contemporary postcard photographs of both buildings with the Turkish bath clearly marked. These can be seen on Judy Middleton's wonderful website Hove in the past last revised in 2023.Ishpoloni (talk) 18:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but we'll need a more reliable source than a personal blog to change this. Is there any coverage in newspapers or other sources? Popcornfud (talk) 01:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have time for a full reply at the moment, but to get you started:

1. Judy Middleton is a well-respected local historian and has written many books on Sussex, the first of these being A History of Hove in 1979. She was born in Hove, where she still lives, and worked for thirty years at Hove Library.

2. Go to [1]http://hovehistory.blogspot.com/2015/03/medina-baths-medina-house-hove.html (if the images weren't copyright or if I had your email address, I could send you all the details).

If you look at the first postcard you will see the Turkish baths clearly marked with the beginnings of a small road to its right

3. Now look at the second postcard. You will again see the picture of the Turkish baths (now a block of flats called Bath Court), the narrow Road to the right, and the clear façade of Medina House to the immediate right of the road.

4. Now look at the fifth postcard which shows the façade of Medina House so you can compare it with the shape on the second postcard.

5. The sixth postcard shows Medina House with the Turkish baths just beyond the road.

6. Download the map from the council's conservation site, zoom up to 200% and look at the bottom left corner where you will see the separately marked Bath Court and, on the other side of the road, Medina House.

7. There are numerous conservation documents with clarifying text but I can't remember which I looked at, and that is what I don't have time to do now. You coulds always ring up the council and ask them which document to download.

8. I looked at the site some years ago when there was still something to see and there is no way the Turkish baths could have been on the site of Gilmore's house. He was probably hooked by the estate agent, and the local paper loves such stories.

That's probably about it from me, but do get back to me if this is still not enough. Best wishes. Ishpoloni (talk) 02:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Conservation report I referred to above is Medina House, No.9 King's Esplanade, Hove by Ron Martin, MRICS. It is probably available at the Council offices or the Brighton & Hove Libraries. A more thorough report was compiled by a student for an MA at Birmingham University but this does not appear to available online, though I have a copy from the researcher who was the recipient of a Winston Churchill Fellowship to visit the US.

If there are no further concrete objections I propose to correct the Turkish bath statement in the near future.Ishpoloni (talk) 18:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]