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There's a long history of edit warring on this article in reference to the location. The overall and IMO best version seems to be Kosovo, as this is what it is today, but there's are also edits to Serbia, clearly incorrect, and the Autonomous Region of Kosovo. What should be the consensus?Pipsally (talk) 05:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that the country of origin listed (Serbia) on the UNESCO should be put as the location. This is an article about a cultural organisation's list and it shouldn't be overshadowed by de facto and de jure standing of certain territories. As this is an article about the "Medieval Monuments in Kosovo" made by UNESCO with UNESCO listing the country of origin as Serbia then Serbia should be the country of location. Tho, I suppose a footnote explaining the situation should be considered. ILIKESHIPSalot (talk) 21:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Amanuensis Balkanicus: Well for starters those edits are reversions of the JohnGotten sock farm. But, that aside, looking back it's not true to say that it was 'altered after so many years'. There's plenty of needless edit warring over this, and indeed you'll see above on the talk page that I flagged this for discussion already when the reverse we're made, though noone cared to do so at that point.
In my view what's clear is that the sites are in Kosovo, so why do we need to get involved in the status of Kosovo beyond that in this infobox? UNESCO is not a definitive source here, even allowing for the WHS info box.
The best thing might well be to go back to how the article actually was for about 80% of its existence and remove the location from the infobox all together. There's a clue in the article name about the location after all...Pipsally (talk) 17:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock:Orchomen.[reply]
I don't think the recognition of Kosovo by UNESCO itself in connection with these sites —sites which they added in 2004, four years before the independence declaration, anyway, right?— is that germane to that descriptor. Kosovo exists as a partially-independent state, so that's what that parameter says about the location of these sites. Calling something within its "borders" Serbian, is a recipe for ethno-national discord.
I also think it's worth emphasizing that nearly 100 UN members recognize Kosovo's independence, compared to the 6-to-3 for other partially-recognized states that immediately come to mind, like Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. And, yes, I am aware that UN-member recognition is not a perfect metric, seeing as 14 UN members recognize Taiwan, whose independence is, qualitatively, far more well-regarded than that of Kosovo (and for many decades), but that formal discrepancy has more to do with appeasing China than anything else.
Anyway, while I am precluded from making content decisions in my capacity as an admin, I do believe that WP:ACDS provide me some leeway in so far as ruling on matters which I deem to be WP:BLUESKY in nature. If my stance here is still contested after this explanation, seeking clarification from the Committee is the appeal option I'd recommend. El_C22:45, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It just occurred to me that an explanatory footnote about UNESCO's position (per the citation) could serve as a working compromise. Thoughts? El_C23:02, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I support proposals made by El_C and Pipsally Blocked sock:Orchomen.. Either add an explanatory footnote about UNESCO's position or remove the location from the infobox. In any case, it is clear that the momuments are in Kosovo, a partially-recognized state that is claimed by Serbia as part of its territory. Edit warring over such things is frivolous, as the status of the Kosovo-Serbia conflict is well-known. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
:::::maybe the footnote is the best solution for a stable version that will prevent endless readding from either side of the argument and be sufficient for the majority.Pipsally (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2021 (UTC) Blocked sock:Orchomen.[reply]
