Talk:Meat price

Really?

Hey User:NewJohn, I am not sure this article really belongs in WIkipedia. I am not sure what it is. Is this a dictionary entry? If so, WIkipedia is WP:NOT a dictionary. Is it a way to spread this meme? If so that is not the purpose of Wikipedia either.... Normally I don't get involved with stuff like this, but this article is just so ax-grindy... Jytdog (talk) 13:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey Jytdog! Thanks for raising that question. I think this is not an article about a word (not for a dictionary) but it is a article about a concept. And since it’s an established concept (see Wikipedia:Notability, journalists write about it) it deserves an article. If not – there is a way to get it out of Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion. Then the community can discuss the case and will come to a conlusion.

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary: “Each article in an encyclopedia is about a person, a people, a concept, a place, an event, a thing etc., whereas a dictionary entry is primarily about a word,”

Examples of other concepts are: Low-cost_carrier (cheap flights is a redirect to the article), Meat spoilage, cheap talk, etc..

Google list 242,000 results for „cheap meat“. There are words in other languages like “Billigfleisch” in German (billig = cheap, Fleisch = meat). There is an article in the German Wikipedia about “Gammelfleisch” (= spoiled meat).

You wouldn’t offend anybody by nominating this article for deletion. But it would be fair and constructive if you could make a proposal where the knowledge about subsidies, hidden and moral costs would be more at home. NewJohn (talk) 13:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I think that your prior move of adding the table from the Meat Atlas to Intensive animal farming was a good move - content about subsidies fits very well there. That article lacks a discussion of the economics, and subsidies would be part of that discussion. How about we merge this content there? Jytdog (talk) 13:54, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I would propose we merge the content here:User:NewJohn/Meat_industry. The only thing is that the article is far from ready to release... Hidden and moral costs are also involved after the animals are raised on a farm, that means when they enter the slaughterhouse and when the meat is processed and sold (health issues). The thing is that I am only slowly progessing with the article. Just in case you want to edit my article, please do so...NewJohn (talk) 14:02, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer and for talking! I was trying to get a better sense of all the "meat" related articles and how they fit together so that the field is covered and all the content is aligned (where there is overlap is dealt with consciously and there is not uncoordinated "bushy" overlapping content in multiple places, making it hard for readers to get reliable, clear information). Do you have a list already, and shall we generate one? Jytdog (talk) 15:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

@NewJohn: at a glance, that userspace draft looks like a pov fork of Animal husbandry. I wouldn't suggest merging anything there until there is confidence that it is going to work as a neutral article. VQuakr (talk) 04:57, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

@VQuakr:I agree. The article lacks input and sources that make it neutral - that's also a reason why the draft is in my userspace. If you want to contribute - please do so. The thing with animal husbandry is that it doesn't cover the whole production chain of the meat industry. NewJohn (talk) 10:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

@NewJohn: I would start by expanding Meat#Production, and when it is long enough to be a stand-alone article split it to Meat production (being careful not to overlap topics too much with slaughterhouse and animal slaughter, which are similar but clearly different topics). VQuakr (talk) 05:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

for what it is worth, here are relevant articles that I think should be coordinated:

• Meat
• Environmental impact of meat production
• Livestock
• Intensive animal farming
  • Intensive pig farming
• Animal husbandry
  • Sheep farming
  • Aquaculture
  • Aviculture
• Agricultural economics

there are probably lots more...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jytdog (talk • contribs)

Agricultural subsidy would be an excellent candidate for a merge target if there is agreement that such a merge should occur. That article could use some work, too. Meat subsidy should exist, at least as a redirect either here or to Agricultural subsidy. VQuakr (talk) 04:49, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

As far as the subsidies are concerned this is fine with me.NewJohn (talk) 10:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)