Talk:Mark Salling

Good Vibrations

It should link to the MMatFB song, not The Beach Boys one. 216.204.206.155 (talk) 14:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Glee

He is currently not being cast on the second season of Glee, as his character (Noah Puckerman aka Puck) is supposedly serving time in Juvinial Hall.. is there any reason to this with Mark Sallings in real life? Or is it purely just an idea of the writers and producers of Glee? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 21:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum, but to answer your question, keep in mind this is a fictional television series. They gave him time off for promotion of his second studio album. Yves (talk) 22:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I asked this question because his absense from Glee has not been mentioned in the article, but I think it should be. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 22:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't. The main characters don't appear in all episodes. Yves (talk) 00:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but it wasn't that he simply didnt appear, they announced his absence from Glee and wrote in the storyline that he has been arrested.If this was so Salling could spend time promoting his studio album, than it means he was given a break from Glee, which should be mentioned in the article, especially since Glee is what he is known for. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 00:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Not really; that's really insignificant and trivial; Agron was given the same thing for a film. It's typical in the acting industry. He is back for sure in "Never Been Kissed" and possibly in "The Rocky Horror Glee Show". Plus, he is known for more than Glee; his second studio album has just been leaked and is about to be released. Yves (talk) 00:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

...what is he?

In the show his character is jewish. The article doesn't mention anything about ethnic heritage which is odd because he's clearly not white. Anyone know? --24.21.105.29 (talk) 00:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

His ancestry is predominantly British Isles (English, Scotch-Irish) with a bit of German on both sides, maybe 25% if you add it all up. His name, Salling, is French/German. He is Caucasian. His paternal grandparents were John Robert Salling (son of Minnis Theodore Salling and Harriet Alma Tucker) and Mildred Aline Archer (daughter of Claude F. Archer and Nancy Aline McIntyre). His maternal grandparents' ancestry is traced here (Wayne Stanton Wherry) and here (Cleo Bess Donelson). All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 21:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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Weird reference

Why is Judah Friedlanders's IMDb entry used as a reference for five of Salling's acting credits?--99.26.130.45 (talk) 06:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

 Fixed Looks like an editor added IMDb as a reference without properly defining it some time ago, and then a bot erroneously pointed the reference to the wrong link. DonIago (talk) 06:56, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Former actor

Block evasion by User:HarveyCarter.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Since Salling pleaded guilty he should now be described as a former actor, as there is no way he will be able to work again. (2A00:23C4:6386:400:315F:4229:D367:24AB (talk) 12:09, 5 October 2017 (UTC)) Can you provide a source claiming he will never be able to work as an actor again? DonIago (talk) 20:25, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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Parents

If anyone wants to add his parents to his bio, their names are John Robert Salling, Jr., and Condy Sue Wherry:

"Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VDYJ-X3Q : 1 January 2015), Mark Wayne Salling, 17 Aug 1982; from "Texas Birth Index, 1903-1997," database and images, Ancestry (http://www.ancestry.com : 2005); citing Texas Department of State Health Services.

2601:987:4100:77ED:3080:5D17:9860:342E (talk) 01:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2018

Under PERSONAL LIFE AND DEATH Change: Salling was found dead at his apartment home near a riverbed in Sunland-Tujunga, Los Angeles from an apparent suicide by hanging on the morning of January 30, 2018, at the age of 35 after police went to conduct a 'welfare check' To: Salling was found dead from an apparent suicide by hanging on the morning of January 30, 2018 in Big Tujunga Creek, roughly six miles from his Sunland home in Los Angeles, California. 204.4.13.72 (talk) 15:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

 Partly done: I did a little bit of wordsmithing with your proposed text. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Mention of suicide

In regards to a recent conflict, I want to clear this up: I am arguing that "committed suicide" is the proper term. This is the term used in our categories (see Categories:Suicides by occupation) and is the most widely used term in mainstream media. Songwaters (talk) 21:52, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

What do the very best sources on the matter of suicide in general use? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 22:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Suicide#Definitions: "The normal verb in scholarly research and journalism for the act of suicide is commit.[37][38] Some advocacy groups recommend using the terms completed suicide, took his/her own life, died by suicide, or killed him/herself instead of committed suicide.[39][40][41][42][43] The Associated Press Stylebook recommends avoiding "committed suicide" except in direct quotes from authorities.[44] Opponents of commit argue that it implies that suicide is criminal, sinful, or morally wrong." The first sentence is referenced to rather old references (as far as MEDRS is concerned). Has there been a change since? If it's an AP recommendation, we should consider it. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 22:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

This has come up...frequently...at Talk:Suicide and I don't believe there's been any consensus that "committed suicide" should be avoided. DonIago (talk) 01:49, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking at the past discussions, there are strong sources against it's use, while editors feel it's ok to use because it used to be ok to use...

What about treating this as medical terminology, and see what MEDRS sources have to say? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 03:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Let me reiterate; if you want to start prescribing what language is acceptable, I think you need to let editors know at Talk:Suicide, and I think you're going to need an WP:RFC, as I'm pretty sure it was a previous RfC that established that "committing" is acceptable. DonIago (talk) 04:25, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Consensus can change. Ignoring policy and sources is never a good solution, regardless of current consensus.

I'm not seeing the phrase used by the best sources we have here, and my suggestions to find better ones is being ignored. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 15:27, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking further, there's no consensus of one over the other that I can find. Let's stick with the sources and many journalistic guidelines. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:36, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Did your looking further involve reviewing this discussion? Becuase it doesn't sound like it. Again, a) this isn't the appropriate article for a discussion of this nature, and b) if you want to make this kind of stylistic writing change, I feel you need to take it to the level of an RfC. Please stop ignoring what I'm saying. DonIago (talk) 19:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I've yet to find any attempt to organize all the discussions, but yes I saw that one as well as multiple RfCs.

Sorry that there's a miscommunication here.

As far as I'm aware, the change to "committed suicide" is new to this article, and has been done without consensus.

I don't see any larger consensus for one over the other, so I'm defaulting to what I've said: sources and better sources.

Sorry if I've missed addressing any of your points. If there's something that you'd like a clearer response, just let me know. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

My apologies. It appears that the wording was changed with this recent edit by Songwaters (talk · contribs), who I'm hoping will join this discussion now. That said, "committed suicide" is, to the best of my understanding, acceptable phrasing, so if you want to revert it on the grounds of restoring the stable text, that seems okay to me but a little silly...but not necessarily any more silly than SW's own change. @Songwaters:, would you care to comment? DonIago (talk) 19:56, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

TL;DR, I feel like we may be arguing over two forms of saying the same thing that are both equally acceptable as far as Wikipedia standards go. Are reasons for reverting to the stable version more compelling than reasons for changing the wording? I don't know. I'm partial to "committed", but TBH, as long as nobody's arguing that Wikipedia is prescribing one over another, which I don't think it does, I'm not really sure I care all that much. Hope this is helpful! DonIago (talk) 20:03, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I admit that my initial persistence of "committed suicide" without consensus was a little misguided, but I still hold the position that "committed" is the proper term; though "died by" is also becoming increasingly common, "committed" is still more commonly used and is still used by many prominent sources. Songwaters (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Given that journalism standards are to use "died by" we expect the best references to use that phrasing, and we should use it as well. What do the best refs that we have say? --Hipal (talk) 02:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

No opposition then? --Hipal (talk) 15:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)