Talk:Mandé peoples

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The material that was moved to Mande languages but really belongs here is back. — mark ✎ 10:17, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Mandinka people?

Is there any overlap between this article and Mandinka people? --Joy [shallot] 19:14, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Well I'd expect some, because the Mandinka are a one of the Mandé peoples. But upon reading Mandinka people, I think that much of it belongs here in Mandé rather than there; as far as I know, Mandinka is the specific name for the Mandé branch in Senegal. Good catch! — mark ✎ 06:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

question

If the Mande were in Mauritania and came from the Central Sahara does the following make sense? Between 200 BC and 100 AD, the entire Sudan experienced significant dry episodes, which were part of the general drying trend that had been seriously underway since before 2000 BC. As the desert began to expand, the population headed South.Itzcoatl 17:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Mandé peoples

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Mandé peoples's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Bird":

• From Fadenya: Bird, Charles and Kendall, Martha (1980). "The Mande Hero" Explorations in African Systems of Thought (13-26)
• From Chad: "Important Bird Areas in Africa and associated islands – Chad" (pdf). Birdlife International Organization. Retrieved 16 October 2013.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Mandé is not a ethnic group

Mandé is name of Mandinka people region. This region between Mali and Guinea, was famous for the large number of animals and game that it sheltered, as well as its dense vegetation. A very popular hunting ground. The Camara (or Kamara) are considered to be the oldest family to have lived in Mandé, after having left, due to the drought, Ouallata, a region of Wagadou, in the south-east of present-day Mauritania. They founded the first village of Mandé, Kirikoroni, then Kirina, Siby, Kita. Many of the families that make up the Mandinka/Mandingo community were born in Mande. Mandé is the province from which the Mali Empire started, under the leadership of Soundiata Keïta. Lazone91 (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Lazone91: That is not the only meaning of "Mande". "Mande" is also an ethnolinguistic group/family (ethnic and language family) that includes several groups including the Mandinka people, Soninke people, Bamana people, Mende people, Vai people and several others (and their languages), who all live in West Africa and share a (at least partially) common origin/ancestry. Also see Mande languages. Skllagyook (talk) 22:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes i know that but why they using the name Mandé? Mandé is the name of the region. If you go to Mali or Guinea when we talk about the Mandé, we speak well about a region where there a cities like Kita or Siby. This can create confusion a people like the soninke who are not from the mandé, on the contrary thanks to their migration to the mandinka were born, is categorised in the Mandé group. For example, the Bamana/Bambara are of mandinka origin and they have left Mandé so it is more than understandable, but some ethnic groups are not from this region. Besides creating an article that uses the Mandé name without mentioning the region I find it strange because this origin is the origin of one of the greatest empires in history. Lazone91 (talk) 22:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Lazone91: The article explains in the first line what sense the term is meant in. But perhaps another article can be created discussing the region, if such an article does not already exist (maybe you could create it or expand on a similar existing one), perhaps connected to this one (with a "see also" link) and/or distinguished from it with a line at the top of the article before the main text (as exists before the start of certain other Wikipedia articles with names similar to those on other subjects. Along the lines of: "This article is about peoples belonging to the Mande language family. For the article on the region known as "Mande" see...[with the link to the other article]"). Here are two existing articles that seem to overlap with the topic you are describing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mand%C3%A9,_Mali

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manding_languages

Skllagyook (talk) 23:18, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

This book covers the issue of region and ethnic groups.[1] Note that it says the Mande language speakers consist of a variety of ethnic groups or peoples. We go by what the sources say. Doug Weller talk 12:09, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

We cannot speak of the Mande people because the real Mande people are the Mandinka / Malinke and other descendants like the Bambara. This confusion is due to the fact that linguists have renamed a linguistic group with the term Mande. Sometimes we can see people confuse the term Mande with Mandika, but Mande is their region of origin. The term mandingo is a translation of mandinka and maninka and the latter two comes from the term mandenka which means inhabitant of Mandé. Lazone91 (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Mandé is linguistic group not ethnic groups

Mandé is the name of the region between Mali and Guinea where Mali empire started. The linguistic group was named like that because the language was in the empire. The book of T Niane about the epic of Sunjata talk about the history of Mandé region and his inhabitants the Mandinka. Lazone91 (talk) 15:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Actually, the tribes of the Mandé ethnic group have been shown to form a contiguous ethnic bloc genetically across paternal lines.

The genetic continuity displayed by the Mandé ethnic group is actually comparable to that of the Han Chinese, in that the different tribes of the Mandé ethnic group formed during multiple waves of dispersal from their heartland in the Mandé region of Mali. Such dispersals would stretch on from the falling period of Wagadu, to the Mali Empire era, the Songhai era, the Kaabu/Bambara/Kong eras, into the Wassoulou era.

The same can be seen with the Subgroups of the Han ethnicity. The Cantonese, Teochew, and other 'Min dialect speakers' descend from the 'Tang dynasty' era. Whereas the Hakka apparently descend from 'Qin dynasty'. The Mandarin descend from the Zhou dynasty, while the Hunanese descend from China's "Warring States Period". And so on with all the subgroupings of the Han ethnic bloc.

Once I get more established, I'd be more than happy to provide you with genetic data and linguistic data proving that the Mandé are indeed a contiguous ethnic group, however the Mandé ethnic bloc hasn't shared a unified government since the fall of the Mali Empire, hence why there is so much diversity and contrasts within the Mandé group. The same can be said for the Han ethnicity.

For instance, the Bissa and Bussa tribes of the Mandé (forming the eastern Branch of the Mandé bloc) have been physically separated from the Mandé heartland since the decline of the Mali Empire and as a direct result of the rise of the Mossi empire in their lands.

While the Dan & Mano tribes (forming the bulk of the Southern Mandé branch) are likely to have arrived in their present areas during the decline of the Wagadu empire.

In short, the Mandé are 1 people made of many hats. As is also seen with comparable groups like the Han Chinese (putting population size and geographical differences aside).

I hope this provides some further context. Looking forward to your response. I love these kinds of discussions 109.104.152.68 (talk) 07:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and just to clarify, when I say the "Mandé heartland", I'm in fact referring to the Mandé Region of Guinea & Mali in this case. Again, looking forward to your input.

Hope this helps! 109.104.152.68 (talk) 07:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@Skllagyook I'd really love to hear your input on this as well. I know that my comparisons may come off as a 'stretch', but your honest feedback would be most highly appreciated.

Hoping that this mention finds you well! 109.104.152.68 (talk) 07:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)