Talk:Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash

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Too Much Information

Is it necessary to describe the injuries of various band members in such detail? Considering each has or her own page, it seems like readers could be spared two long paragraphs about this. The only things we need to know from those two paragraphs are how many people died, how many people were severely injured, and about the controversy. --Elemarth (talk) 01:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see this as being a problem, to be honest. KConWiki (talk) 16:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Need clarification on Wilkeson

and bassist Leon Wilkeson nearly had arms amputated as a result of crash injuries.

Is this supposed to say "... nearly had both arms amputated..."? KConWiki (talk) 16:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was Thursday

..and not Wednesday. Check the photo of the front page of the story here...says Friday October 21, 1977. Wikipedia may not be used as a reference for itself so you will need a proper source to substantiate your claim.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 17:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Magneto Problem Unsupported

As a pilot I find it highly unlikely that a bad magneto contributed to this accident. The NTSB also did not cite the magneto. Even if the mag had totally failed it would be almost undetectable in flight as the other mag would take up the load seamlessly. Also note page 9 of the NTSB report that the right mag was removed, tested and inspected and found to be operating normally. Are we just adding to random speculation by giving credence to a random opinion that the mag contributed to the crash???--RobertGary1 (talk) 21:57, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which Model was it?

This article claims it was a CV-300 model, with the source for that being ASN. However, the NTSB report says it was a 240 model and the lease agreement for that flight (published in the NTSB report) also shows it as a 240 model. ASN has one other discrepancy too: It says both engines were CB-16, while the NTSB says one engine was CB-16. but the other one was a CB-17. If no one responds to this request, by furnishing a reliable source which would indicate the NTSB got it wrong, then I will change all references in this article, from CV-300, to CV-240. Thanks much, EditorASC (talk) 02:25, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You got everything except the title. I've moved the page to fix the title. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 03:47, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"All of the fuel crossfeed and fuel dump valves were in the closed position"

Excuse me, but what does this techno-babble mean - was it a good or a bad thing?213.127.210.95 (talk) 22:43, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not clearly either. It's not terribly important.

It's accepted that the aircraft crashed because the engines stopped, owing to lack of fuel. It's credible, but unknown, if this was because one or both engines was burning an excessive quantity of fuel (by having had their mixture richened, maybe necessarily, maybe not. maybe carelessly) or else by not loading an adequate quantity of fuel. It's also claimed, often as a way of shifting blame, that the pilots or aircraft operators were incompetent, or simply drunk on the job (any aircrew who are rejected by Aerosmith as drunks do raise an eyebrow. But, hey, '70s.)

A competently crewed aircraft should not embark on a flight with inadequate fuel. A loss of fuel in flight should be manageable, by diverting to any airfield that is within remaining range (the US isn't the Sahara). These didn't happen.

So what do the valves tell us? Firstly the dump valves were closed - and it would be exceptional for them to have been opened.

The crossfeed valve(s) were closed. Now I don't know the fuel system of a CV-240, but it's possible that an aircraft with an excess fuel burn on one engine could run short of fuel on one side and the crew might then crossfeed fuel from the tanks on one side (which normally feed the engine on that side) to the other. They could also then fail to shut off the crossfeed, which might then lead to both engines stopping. Losing one engine is bad, but nothing like as bad as two. However the crossfeed valve(s) were apparently shut and there's no indication that they might (which is unusual but possible) have had safety wires over them and whether those had been broken (i.e. indicating that the valve had been opened, then closed).

So it tells us nothing. Both engines stopped. Neither had fuel. But there's no indication that one engine had burned through all the fuel. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:51, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Honkettes?

The article states that "Another member of The Honkettes, JoJo Billingsley, was not on the plane," but there is no prior or subsequent mention of the Honkettes, or who or what they are or were.

Jack Vermicelli 68.36.147.128 (talk) 06:03, 3 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See Lynyrd Skynyrd#Honkettes.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 12:06, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 04:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1977 Mississippi CV-240 crash → Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash – Per revised naming conventions for aircraft accident pages. Technical move required due to moving over a redirect with history. Listing at requested moves due to the possibility for reasonable disagreement. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Based on the updated naming conventions ("unless the accident is notable for the involvement of a particular group, then the format should be: <group> <event>"), "Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash" absolutely seems to be the most appropriate name. SolarFlash^Discussion 23:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Cause section

In the cause section it says: "In his 2003 book Lynyrd Skynyrd: Remembering the Free Birds of Southern Rock, Gene Odom, a bodyguard for Van Zant[19] who was on board the plane and survived the crash", I don't think we need the phrase "survived the crash" since he'd hardly have written a book in 2003 if he hadn't survived.Kirin-rex (talk) 10:10, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine the way it is. SolarFlash^Discussion 17:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cause section

The range of the Convair CV-240 is approximately 1200 miles and the distance by Greenville to Baton Rouge is less than 700 miles. The cause of the crash was fuel exhaustion due to pilot inattention, but no information is supplied on why the plane left Greenville with grossly insufficient fuel. 2601:600:9080:F3C0:ADDD:C8EA:7E49:B634 (talk) 17:59, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]