Talk:Lyceum Theatre, London, England 5/26/72

Album released in 2022

@Elephantranges: Hello. You renamed this article from "Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/26/1972)" "Lyceum Theatre, London, England 5/26/72" to "Europe '72: Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/26/1972)", and you changed the lead to say that it was released on October 3, 2011. You also adjusted the album chronology in the infobox. Although all the Europe '72 concerts, including this one, were released as individual albums on CD in 2011, this album is different. It was released separately, as a whole new 4-disc CD, on July 22, 2022, and without "Europe '72" in the title. You can see that here, and in the cited references. So, I would request that you put everything back the way it was. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 21:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mudwater: It was already released as a separate 4-CD album when the box set was released. If the only difference between the 2011 and 2022 releases is the title, I think it’s best both releases are contained to one article. Elephantranges (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Elephantranges: The 2011 release is covered in the Europe '72: The Complete Recordings article. This album is distinct from that release, and only this concert was released on CD in 2022. This new album is associated with the Lyceum '72: The Complete Recordings LP box set, as the article mentioned before you changed it. This is very much not the same thing as the 2011 album, even though they're both recordings of the same concert. So, please put everything back the way it was. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 21:57, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Elephantranges: Since the page with the old article name has been edited by a bot, to fix the double redirects that you created, you or I can't rename the article back ourselves. So I've started a new section below for requesting the rename, and for continuing this discussion. Let's post any further comments there. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 23:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Elephantranges: Apologies for the multiple notifications, but I would like to add another point. If you're going to make major changes to an article, it's often a good idea to discuss them on the article's talk page first, to see what other editors think. Usually renaming an article is a pretty significant change, of the type that should be discussed first. I appreciate that you are actively working to create and improve album articles, and I think you've done some nice work. At the same time, I would encourage you to be slightly less bold in making changes that might be controversial or contrary to the opinions of other editors. Thanks. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 23:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mudwater: Hey no problem! I definitely can be a bit impatient so I’ll try to stick to that from now on. Elephantranges (talk) 23:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 8 December 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 00:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Europe '72: Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/26/1972) → Lyceum Theatre, London, England 5/26/72 – I propose that this article be moved back to its original name. Recently an editor renamed it from "Lyceum Theatre, London, England 5/26/72" to "Europe '72: Lyceum Theatre, London, England (5/26/1972)", and changed the lead to say that it was released on October 3, 2011. They also adjusted the album chronology in the infobox. All this was done without any prior discussion. All of these changes should be undone. Although all the Europe '72 concerts, including this one, were released as individual albums on CD in 2011, this album is different. It was released separately, as a whole new 4-disc CD, on July 22, 2022, and titled "Lyceum Theatre, London, England 5/26/72"" without the "Europe '72". The 2011 release was associated with Europe '72: The Complete Recordings, but the new 2022 album was released in conjunction with Lyceum '72: The Complete Recordings. All this is supported by the references cited in the article. Therefore the changes, including the renaming of the article, should be undone, because this is a whole other album. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 23:23, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@Mudwater: hey I’m not denying that the 2022 release should be mentioned, but it seems odd to have an article that claims the album was released in 2022 when it in fact existed for 11 years before that. All it looks like to me is another pressing/reissue of the album, which I don’t think necessarily warrants two articles. Elephantranges (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

The cited references all talk about this album as a new release, and not a new pressing of an old album. Yes, the 2011 album and this one are recordings of the same show, but they really are two different albums. In 2011 all the Europe '72 concerts, including this one, were released. In 2022 the Lyceum Theatre shows were released as a box set of LPs, and in conjunction with that, this concert got its own four-CD album. — Mudwater ^(Talk) 23:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Makes sense to me. @Mudwater: Just to let you know, WP:RM/TR provides a venue to request reverts of undiscussed moves. Mostly for future reference, as I'm not sure it would be done now you've opened a move request. Ss112 00:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112: Good to know, thanks! — Mudwater ^(Talk) 18:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.