Talk:Luis Fernando Camacho

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Misinformation and propaganda

It frustrates me that Luis Fernando Camacho has been portrayed in this article as a fascist paramilitary leader when the reality is that he is a non-violent activist leading the struggle to restore democracy to Bolivia from the authoritarian government of Evo Morales. Make no mistake. Evo Morales does not speak for indigenous peoples. That's just a talking point he uses to manipulate people into believing his lies. At this point in time, the majority of Bolivians, including the majority of indigenous Bolivians and even some of his former supporters are sick and tired of how he has clung to power though undemocratic means for the past 13 years. The idea that the Luis Fernando Camacho is a far-right paramilitary leader is yet another lie created by Evo to discredit his enemies and cling to power. I understand that Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral, but when an article spreads lies created by a tyrant to discredit the people who overthrew him to restore democracy, that is not neutral. --Ascarboro97 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:14, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I felt the same way back in 2019, but Camacho...has proved that stuff about him ever since. He was associated with the paramilitary Santa Cruz Youth Union, has expressed religious fundamentalist views, and his followers are even challenging the results of the 2020 election, some even asking for military intervention to overthrow Arce. While I'm not providing sources right now, it's no new news if you're a Bolivian like me that his followers are...quite radical, and he fuels them. OneNerdyBoi (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although I don't know details on Camacho, I know he is perceived in Bolivia as one of the few right wing leaders in the country. If NPOV is sought, it's better to find some reputable sources from Bolivia to counteract some of the criticisms from purely Western media which generally has an inaccurate view of the nuances of Bolivian politics. Some of Camacho's followers are very right wing and violent, but he got many more votes in Santa Cruz than there are racist extremists. those protesting now are a very small proportion of his supporters. He also had an indigenous Bolivian as a running mate, so seems strange to say he or Creemos in general is racist. 2A02:C7D:694B:C400:91AE:E2D1:FD8D:D4A5 (talk) 23:38, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although Morales has done a lot wrong, I think he speaks for a great many indigenous people. There are a lot of indigenous people, however, that he does not speak for or who are not from the Altiplano peoples that seem to be most benefitted by Morales' 2A02:C7D:694B:C400:91AE:E2D1:FD8D:D4A5 (talk) 23:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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English usage

Parts of this article contain grammatical errors and awkward English.

Firstly, the verbs "assure" and "denounce" are transitive. This means that they must take an object. You can't say "... the authority assured" or "...former president Carlos Mesa denounced" since the verbs refer to no object. You must say something like "the authority assured Bolivians that justice would be served" or "former president Carlos Mesa denounced the police for detaining Camacho".

In addition, native English speakers do not generally say things like:

- put down a Bible and a symbolic letter that renounced Morales

- Camacho's lawyer, Jerjes Justiniano Atalá, was appointed as Minister of the Presidency, despite he lasted less than 30 days in office.

- Both families of Camacho and fellow businessman and politician Branko Marinkovic have shares in ...

- Speaking from secondhand, ...

- Regarding who would lead the department in Camacho's absence, Vice Governor Mario Aguilera declined to step up.

- the complaint was quickly declared "unfounded" and thrown.

I have also tagged Camacho's statement that "I always maintained the position that ... I can count said feat" because it appears to make no sense. Perhaps it is a poor translation. Burrobert (talk) 11:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anything in "arrest and prosecution" was written by me. I've had troubles in the past with terms such as 'assured' and the like, a product of the fact that English is my second language. By 'thrown' I meant to say 'thrown out', so that's just a prose error I've correct. Feel free to change anything else. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 22:34, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As for the quote, as someone who works in translation, that's a sloppy job on my part. I was in a rush to write as new news came out. Thankfully, good old Carwil has corrected it. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did try to improve the wording but you removed my changes, which is why I started this section. You aren't the only editor to use "assured" and "denounced" in that way, so perhaps the issue relates to a difference between English and Spanish. I will have another look at the text when I get time. Burrobert (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did I? Sorry about that. I'm working off of my own user page and periodically updating this article, so I probably accidentally overrided your change. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that appears to be what happened. Never mind. Burrobert (talk) 05:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]