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Camille

Any reason to believe that Hurricane Camille didn't also ride the Loop Current? Simesa 18:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This map seems to indicate that it did. --Pmsyyz 18:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Updated images

Recent images of TOPEX/Poseidon data of the Gulf loop current can be found here. -Loren 22:50, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it needs a better picture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.184.81.97 (talk) 20:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Statement

"meteorologists speculate" may be premature - I don't have a cite for that (yet, but I'm asking). I noted that the track of Camille matches the plot of the Loop Current I got from the Hurricane Rita article. Simesa 14:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I added "meterologists speculate." I believe (though I'm not sure) that it was one of the bloggers at wunderground.com -- Jeff Masters or Steve Gregory, both of whom seem pretty knowledgable -- who said that. I don't have a better source, sorry. Geoff.green 00:54, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

unclear couple of paragraphs

Hey -- I'm not certain I understand what this paragraph means --

During 2005's Hurricane Katrina and Hurricane Rita, it was noted that the hurricanes greatly increased in strength as they passed over the warmer waters of the Loop Current. Overall, the Gulf of Mexico was 1° F (0.5° C) warmer than normal during this time. Yet, storms that crossed Florida as Category 1 increased to Category 4 and Category 5 intensity when they moved over the Gulf Loop.

The first sentence makes sense. As for the second sentence, was the entire Gulf 1 degree warmer? And finally, I don't understand the "Yet;" That doesn't seem to fit. I assume it means that Katrina and Rita, which were reasonably week before they reached the Gulf, were supercharged when they reached the Loop Current? I agree, but "Yet" isn't a good transition. And I'm not certain how the warmer-than-normal water temperatures throughout the Gulf are relevant to the effect that the Loop Current had on those storms. I would try to rewrite, but I'd first rather see if the original author can unconfuse me. Thanks! Geoff.green 01:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We need to know how much warmer the Loop Current was than average. This may not be easy to obtain, as the Current expands into the Gulf over the summer. I've written to some meteorology experts, but they haven't had time to get the messages yet. This article will be edited soon. Simesa 14:53, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the article to match the Time Magazine article. The oceans WORLDWIDE are 1 degree F warmer - the Gulf is up to 5 degrees F warmer.

Katrina and Rita were slow-movers until they hit the Loop current. I'll upload a Katrina graphic in a minute (my first upload). Simesa 19:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi...I rewrote that entire section today (before I set up my acct), hope everyone is happy with the result. Mkieper 22:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I found it well written. Glad to have you onboard! Simesa 00:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Title Change?

I'm thinking of changing this article to be entitled "Loop Current and Eddy Vortex". The Loop Current appears to hug tight to Cuba - it's the Eddy Vortex spinning off of it into the Gulf during the late summer that is fueling the hurricanes. I want to wait though until I hear from some of the experts. Comments? Simesa 15:18, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

First more content is needed, then consider changing the title to fit the material. The present version should have "hurricane" in the title. More information on the ocean currents is needed. (SEWilco 16:34, 25 September 2005 (UTC))[reply]

No, it is fine to leave it as "Loop Current." It is not true that just the eddy fuels hurricanes, as you can see clearly from the maps (very good idea to post those). Any place tropical storms go over the loop current, if other conditions are favorable, they can intensify. Also disagree with placing "hurricane" in the title. Common usage is just to say "loop current" (and unfortunately has become quite a buzzword lately).

Is anyone interested in a brief explanation of the different factors that influence hurricane intensity, and a more detailed discussion on intensity, and if so where would we put these? I will go look to see if there is a generic wiki page on hurricanes. Or possibly just reference online web addy (there is a lot out there on the web for the "armchair met").

Mkieper 22:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Katrina Graphic

ColoradoU-Boulder's news release has a link to a great Katrina/Loop Current graphic, but it is in a PDF file. I'm going to try to use PrintScreen and Paint to get it into a JPG - anybody got a better idea? Simesa 19:21, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was successful, and the image is in. If anyone would like a sharper image I can try to put it up as a BMP. Simesa 08:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Opal

I wasn't sure about Hurricane Opal due to its path, but ScienceDaily [1] says it crossed an eddy and went from a 1 to a 4 in 14 hours. Simesa 16:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I will locate some web references for you that show hurricane paths. In general, because of upwelling, storms can't intensify beyond Cat 3 without deep warm water, which for Southern US occurs mainly in the Carribean and the finger of warm water coming from the Carribean into the Gulf (the Loop Current).

Here's one (not the best I have seen but I'm at work and don't have access to all my bookmarks).

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/hurrarchive.asp

Mkieper 22:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Quote on Gulf of Mexico Sea-Surface Temperatures

World temperatures keep rising [2]
Climate data show 2005 on track to be hottest on record
By Juliet Eilperin
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:30 a.m. ET Oct. 13, 2005
"And a scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration determined that sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico were higher in August than at any time since 1890"

Simesa 01:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what this has to do with the loop current, but...the WMO said that 2005 was likely to end up as the second-hottest year (1998 was the hottest). Interestingly, the 9 hottest years ever recorded (they claim records go back to 1861), in no particular order, are 1997-2005. [3] [4] Jdorje 06:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename

It seemed obvious to me that "loop current" wasn't a proper noun, so I renamed the article. However a google search shows it capitalized in almost all uses, so maybe it is a proper noun. It should be easy to move the article back if anyone feels strongly about it (I do not object). Jdorje 06:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical cyclone

Despite a request I left, there is no mention of Loop Current in Tropical cyclone. Nor do I see a convenient place to put one (there should probably be a separate section for it). Would someone like to try to put something there? Simesa 21:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BP Deepwater Horizon Gulf Oil Spill

There are news media accounts that this massive oil spill will reach the Loop Current. That the oil will be carried to the Florida Keys, Miami and up the East Coast. http://www.news-press.com/article/20100503/GREEN/100502030/1075/Gulf-oil-spi ll-Florida-DEP-official-acknowledges-weakness-of-response So, how far North does the Loop Current go? Where does it go after it leaves Florida? Thanks. Rumjal rumjal 15:09, 4 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumjal (talk • contribs)

Florida Current

How does the Loop Current relate to the Florida Current? 140.32.143.10 (talk) 16:31, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

outdated map?

From what I've read the exact trajectory of the loop current has been revised and contrary to earlier assumption it doesn't really traverse the complete coastline as the old map still suggests. Therefore the map should probably be removed or replaced because it conveys false information to the reader.--Kmhkmh (talk) 18:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Death of the Loop Current?

Someone who is an expert in this area might want to take a look at this data: http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2010/08/06/loop-current-in-the-gulf-of-mexico-has-stalled-from-bp-oil-disaster/

It seems the Loop Current has been aborted by oil from the Deep Horizons disaster. The effect the Loop Current has on the Gulf Stream warming it and giving it more flow towards Europe is fairly well known and will be of huge consequence this winter. It is unknown if the Loop Current will recover its normal shape and dynamic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.46.143 (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Global warming

I've removed the global warming bit and quote as there was no sourced connection to the Loop Current. Without a sourced connection it was WP:SYN. Also removed the global warming/hurricane category for same reason. Vsmith (talk) 17:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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