Talk:List of largest cities/Archive 3

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Is New York's urban area possibly overblown?

The footnote says it even includes Trenton, NJ, which I would argue is in the greater Philadelphia region, not New York. (Unless we're including Philadelphia in New York's urban area.) Bridgeport I can except, maybe even New Haven, but the sheer size of New York's urban area is many times greater than anything on the list and includes a ton of forest, farmland, and reservoirs which is why ithe density sinks to less than 700/sq km.

Should this be figured in a different way, at least using the same metrics of all the other cities in this list? It's clearly the outlier. Deliusfan (talk) 22:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

What do the sources say? — Guarapiranga ☎ 04:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

The Urban area and Metropolitan area are very subjective, not just for NY. You won't find consistency in sources on this, which makes this list with numbers, as opposed to ranges, problematic.---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 04:35, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

In that case, WP:NPOV requires us to represent fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on this topic. Ranges don't quite cut it either, as each published datum needs to be attributed to a RS. The typical solution is to represent the data from the most relevant and important sources side by side (as in the lists of countries by GDP). — Guarapiranga ☎ 05:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Apart from the discussion about definitions of urban or metropolitan areas (I dare not go there :) ), this seems to be an outright error - the source it cites for the whole table lists the "NY-NJ-CT urban area" (with the note that Trenton, Bridgeport etc. are included) having 12,093 km^2, not 34,493. Dahauns (talk) 17:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Can you fix it? — Guarapiranga ☎ 00:44, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2022

The subsections of the page providing definitions lists them in the order "City proper", "Urban area", "Metropolitan area". While in many cases this order is that of increasing size, it differs from the column order used by the table later in the article. I would transpose the "Urban area" and "Metropolitan area" sections, without necessarily changing their content. (Switching the columns in the table would accomplish the same goal but be more work.) 2600:1702:3840:5200:5CCC:C17B:4A74:CBA (talk) 21:56, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done --- Exchanged the urban and metropolitan area columns in the table, to keep the logical city proper < urban < metropolitan area order. MattF (talk) 19:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

This list is way off

They say the population of New York City is over 23 million people. The entire state of New York only has 19.5 million people. I do not know where the author got these figures but they are way off and should be fixed 2603:9001:3E01:3372:4881:DFFD:C193:843C (talk) 07:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

The metropolitan area includes areas in Connecticut, New Jersey, and even in Pennsylvania. 99.6.253.145 (talk) 03:31, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Satellite image of Tokyo

The article includes a satellite image of Tokyo whose caption says, "The satellite image shows that its urbanization has exceeded its city limits." This image would show that only if someone drew the city limits superimposed on the satellite image. Is someone able to do that? Otherwise, the image doesn't really illustrate the desired point. RCTodd (talk) 16:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2023

The flag of Hong Kong is 🇭🇰 is this and not 🇨🇳, please change it. 2600:387:F:4715:0:0:0:4 (talk) 04:19, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Why is the list using the UN list for largest urban areas?

It differs significantly from say Demographia's which it uses as the standard for urban areas. In particular, this listing seems intuitively wrong for urban areas; under any reasonable definition (e.g. CSA, Demographia) the San Francisco Bay Area is larger than Miami, Philadelphia, and Atlanta, but it doesn't even appear on this list.

Fixed. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 09:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Update

worlds most populated country is Karachi please Update Asifjamal786 (talk) 14:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not, sorry. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 14:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

An update must be done. The 38th most populous city in the world, by urban area population, is Zhengzhou which is not included in the list. 212.100.101.104 (talk) 21:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Some cities with a population >1 million are not mentioned

The list section of the page does not include the city of Calgary or Montreal despite them having a population of 1.3 million and 1.78 million respectfully. 2001:56A:7273:B900:F88B:22B0:42C4:9942 (talk) 21:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

EDIT: I thought the list was about cities greater than 1 million, but I noticed the typo "give", when it should be "five" would make it more clearer that the list uses 5 million as the baseline. 2001:56A:7273:B900:F88B:22B0:42C4:9942 (talk) 21:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2023

Update the list of Dhaka there are more population then it showed here Safin RS (talk) 09:12, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2023

adding {{Import style|sticky}} and 196.178.218.176 (talk) 16:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2023

- class="static-row-header" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:bottom;" Insert 196.178.218.176 (talk) 01:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 01:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

No mention of Rome?

Rome has a much higher population than Paris but wasn't on the list 188.29.106.233 (talk) 11:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Randstad, Flemish Diamond and Rhine-Ruhr

Why are the aforementioned urban and metropolitan areas not included? If no one is able to clarify it, I shall put them in myself. However, my wish is a constructive dialogue. 2001:1C04:4E0C:2500:6090:29E3:7116:518D (talk) 15:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Some cities with urban area population over 5 million are not included

Some cities with urban area population over 5 million are not included. Is the 2018 UN estimate list the best source here?

Examples of population:

• Kuala Lumpur - city proper: 1,982,112 - metro area: 7,564,000

• Busan - city proper: 3,331,444 - metro area: 7,000,699

• Taipei - city proper: 2,494,813 - metro area: 9,078,000

• Zhengzhou - city proper: 6,650,532 - metro area: 10,260,667

For some reason Kuala Lumpur is in the list, but Busan, Taipei and Zhengzhou are not.

Marcos [Tupungato] (talk) 10:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Missing data

Add Cairo metro area population: 22,000,000 people Source: https://population.un.org/wup/DataQuery/ Kaemo42 (talk) 11:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The website you have linked to does not back this up. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 07:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Khartoum's city proper area is incorrect; seems to be the area of Khartoum state.

The listed city proper area for Khartoum makes it the third largest in the world, which already seems very implausible, but the mark that it's clearly wrong is that its city proper area is greater than its urban area. The listed area seems to come from the state instead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_(state)).

The city proper area appears to be around 1000 km^2, per the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum. 50.111.125.68 (talk) 02:46, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Khartoum's city proper area is incorrect; seems to be the area of Khartoum state.

The listed city proper area for Khartoum makes it the third largest in the world, which already seems very implausible, but the mark that it's clearly wrong is that its city proper area is greater than its urban area. The listed area seems to come from the state instead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_(state)).

The city proper area appears to be around 1000 km^2, per the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum. 50.111.125.68 (talk) 02:46, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Clarification of the definition of "City proper".

As evidenced by the error of granularity in source 81 for the "City Proper" population of Santiago where the Region (Santiago Region Metropolitana), the Province (Santiago), the City (Santiago) and the Comune (Santiago, a.k.a. Santiago Centro) are being confused with each other, this may be happening in other entries where the number is not as obvious as in the case of Santiago (City) with over 7 million people and Santiago (Comune) with a little over 200 thousands or do we keep this logic and for example change the City Proper population of London to be the one of the City of London the Ceremonial County and not London the city. 2800:150:10D:1A43:C041:A268:3146:DF8C (talk) 04:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

No Sydney or Melbourne

They seem to be missing from this list, anyone know why? 120.18.114.69 (talk) 02:29, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2023

Istanbul city proper's population based on latest consensus data (2022) is 15,907,951 https://data.tuik.gov.tr/Bulten/Index?p=The-Results-of-Address-Based-Population-Registration-System-2022-49685 Veledi (talk) 18:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done -Lemonaka‎ 22:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Change to "most populous"

Strongly recommend (implore) this is changed to "most populous". That would prevent misleading and confusing information. These are certainly not in order of largest to smallest. For example, Alaska is the largest state, but certainly not the most populous. So Chonqing is the most populous, not the largest.Paisan1 (talk) 19:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

"Populous" is a useful word, but isn't really found outside North America, so it seems more worldwide and per RETAIN to keep it as "largest". That's almost always understood to. Mean population anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Why isn't sevastopol here?

I saw that sevastopol is REALLY big on maps. I think it should be added. 78.97.129.35 (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2023

Santiago Area

• Capital city	641 km2 (247.6 sq mi)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago Ochki1981 (talk) 15:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Fixing the Sr. No. column in the list

Currently, the Sr. No. column in the main list is fixed. If you try sorting by other metrics, the numbers stay in their places which removes important context. For example, sorting the list by countries places Luanda in Angola as the most populous city in the world. Its original rank is lost. Sportyeel (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2023

Please change Dhaka from 9th largest city to the 4th. Please include Dhaka as part of the 12 largest cities highlighted at the top. Details and sources are below:

Dhaka's population, as per the Population & Housing Census of Bangladesh of 2022, is about 22 million. This is per Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. So Dhaka, should not only be in the top 12 cities highlighted, but also should be much higher in the list. People are getting this false information from Wikipedia and making popular You tube videos like the one linked below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hpic8WMvkk Real Hermionee (talk) 18:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

2022 Brazilian Census

Hi! Brazil just finished the 2022 Census and the results came out a couple months ago. The population of São Paulo has changed, and therefore I believe the rankings would change as well. Here are screenshots taken from IBGE's Census website (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics) with the number of residents and density of both the City and the Metropolitan Area of São Paulo.

p.s.: we use comma for decimals. unfortunately I wasn't able to find an english option on the website but still, hope this helps :) Merzipan (talk) 21:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2023

In this phrase:

the city proper population figure may differ greatly with the urban area population figure

please change "with" to "from", because "differ with" doesn't make sense unless you're talking correlation and causation. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 01:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done  Spintendo  03:04, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Chongqing Population on Graph

Why is city limit population of Chongqing higher than both urban area population and UN estimate? I’m confusion 104.200.213.14 (talk) 18:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Taipei

the Taipei-New Taipei metro area has a population of about 7 million (9 million including Taoyuan) and belongs on this list. 77.137.76.30 (talk) 09:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Update to Urban area section

Demographia have released their 2023 edition of the list mentioned as the source for the Urban area statistics, should this be updated? 2001:999:585:9E67:B16B:604E:D813:BE84 (talk) 06:26, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Shanghai metropolitan area

According to a report that I have linked bellow there exists a definition for the Shanghai metropolitan area that actually surpasses Tokyo in population.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0966692321000752 Dmdogs900 (talk) 23:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

If you add the population of the surrounding countryside and other cities, it can definitely exceed the population of Tokyo. But it doesn't make sense. 完颜吴乞买 (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

There are too many mistakes about the population of Chinese cities

Overall, the numbers for Shanghai are too high, and the numbers for other Chinese cities are too low, which is ranked by the "urban population" data from the 2020 census.

“七人普”数据：我国超大城市共7个 城区常住人口超千万--经济·科技--人民网 (people.com.cn)

However, there are also many problems with this data, such as Chongqing, Jinan and other large-caliber cities, and many other cities have been added to the data, such as Wanzhou, Yongchuan, Qianjiang, Laiwu, Jiyang and other cities. Guangzhou and Foshan are actually the same city, but when calculated separately, Changsha, Zhengzhou and other cities are not statistically large. For example, Changsha County is actually part of Changsha City, but the population data is not included, and the same is true of Zhongmu County and Xingyang City in Zhengzhou. 完颜吴乞买 (talk) 02:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

There is also data on the area of the urban area, in Table 2-3, or 2-2. However, this is not entirely accurate, for example, in Shanghai, which is fully included in the city area, but in fact the census does not calculate the urban population according to this range.

中华人民共和国住房和城乡建设部 (mohurd.gov.cn)

There are a lot of data that are contradictory or have different statistical calibers, so they can cause a lot of controversy.

Let's use this as a reference! 完颜吴乞买 (talk) 02:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2024

According to Luanda, Anogla's official national website, their metropolitan population is above 9 Million (9,079,811) https://luanda.gov.ao/ao/

The 'List', 'Metropolitan Area - Population' needs an update according to this information. Poltava9 (talk) 00:05, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Geardona (talk to me?) 18:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2024

Sydney, Australia is missing og the list 109.81.173.254 (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Per source provided, Sydney was "a medium-sized city with 1 to 5 million inhabitants" in 2018. As the request doesn't include any new reliable source, it's impossible to complete the request. Respublik (talk) 14:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2024

change Delhi to National Capital Region (NCR). It more accurately represents the largest metropolitan area in India. Pull the numbers previously referenced in the the wikipedia article-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_India

The source has been cited in the same list.

although this metric dwarfs the other cities on the list, the rapid growth of National Capital Region (NCR) in India, interchangeably used with Delhi, more accurately reflects the daily life of citizens of the region who must often travel as much as 10,000 km just to get to work, meet family or sell their wares. Singh180 (talk) 05:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: NCR is not a city, it is a rural-urban planning region containing multiple cities. The UN population estimate (~28 million) is the metropolitan region of Delhi, which includes parts of the NCR outside of the city proper. Travel is irrelevant; people travel between cities and other settlements all the time – that does not make them part of the same city. Irltoad (talk) 13:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)