Talk:List of Wizards of Waverly Place characters

Secondary Characters

Shouldn't someone put the secondary characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.13.78 (talk) 03:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Names of Characters

Is Harper's last name Finkle or Finko? I thought it was Finko. Also, where in "Justin's Little Sister" does it say Justin's middle name is Ernesto? Mr. College (talk) 02:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, but whoever put that probably thought that because his parents said that he looks like Uncle Ernesto.

Where did they get that from? Just because Justin's uncle's name is Ernesto doesn't mean Justin's middle name is Ernesto. Mr. College (talk) 03:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I removed Alex's middle name as I don't recall ever seeing the show mention it. If I missed it please provide the name of the episode and a somewhat time into the episode so I can verify it. I don't trust middle names added without some explanation as a lot of them show up added by anon editors and most turn out to be invention or what the editor thinks would sound nice. Also has Alex as a nickname for Alexandra been described on the show or is this just being presumed as it is a common nickname for Alexandra? --NrDg 17:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Alex's mom addressed her by her full name, Alexandra Margerita Russo, in the Quincera episode. (I think)--Onecatowner (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Alex's real name is Alexis because in one episode, her grandma called her lexi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.210.224.186 (talk) 22:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

That means nothing. Alex's name is Alexandra. Her mom called her Alexandra in Quincera. And Justin's middle name is Pepe. Jerry said it in Helping Hand.

Harper's last name is Finkle. Alex's name is Alexandra. That is for sure.

Yeh Harper's last name is Finkle. She is called Finko by Mr. Frenchi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sentra246 (talk • contribs) 22:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

See discussion above. --NrDg 00:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Images to demonstrate appearance of characters

I removed the Alex and Justin images as they were claimed to be promo images but there was no evidence in the image file descriptions to support the claim that they actually WERE promo images as is required by the license terms. The best images that will have the most chance of being usable to show the appearance of a character will be screenshots from show showing the character in the context of the show. --NrDg 16:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Cody Martin

I saw on the episode list that there's going to be a crossover episode between Wizards of Waverly Place and The Suite Life on Deck. The episode list stated that Alex Russo was crushing on Cody Martin in that episode. Of course there was a crossover episode for Suite Life as well. Is there really going to be a crossover episode? --Geekboy6 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC).

pictures of cast

I was just wondering: Shouldn't there be pictures of the entire cast in this article?--Onecatowner (talk) 05:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Alex- supposed to be in 11th grade, Justin in the 11th grade?

[Sorry about the confusing title] It says that Alex is in 10th grade, but supposed to be in 11th but she 'doesn't test well'. But Justin is in the 11th grade. If she was supposed to be in 11th grade, Harper would be too...she's semi smart. But it's not possible because Justin is in 11th grade. Sources for Alex being in 11th grade? missalicia1994 03:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I would assume that Harper is a year younger and actually supposed to be in the 10th grade. What doesn't make sense is that if Justin is in the 11th grade and Alex is supposed to be in the 11th grade, Justin and Alex should be the same age and likely twins. Are you sure Justin is in the 11th, not the 12th grade? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liquidluck (talk • contribs) 17:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Just because two people are born in the same year doesn't make them twins. Anyway, just to clear everything up, Justin is in 11th grade and Alex is in 10th grade as of the 2nd season. Alex should have been in the 11th grade, except she "didn't test well" (as mentioned in Saving WizTech(1)). That would make Alex and Justin the same age or one year difference, depending on when their birthdays are. Mr. College (talk) 00:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe that she was just trying to be smart and funny for the boy....I doubt she's stayed back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.38.190 (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Alex was born in cap 804 but Justin was born in a hospital, so they can't be twins.walterclozet (talk)

Somebody (or some people) keep reverting Max Russo to inaccurate information. They falsely claim that Max's first name is Maximillians Russo. Yes, his grandmother did say that, but Maximillians is a nickname, just like when his grandmother referred to Alex as Lexi. It was just a nickname. They said take it to the discussion page, so here it is. Why are people insisting that Maximillians cannot be a nickname? Haven't these people ever heard of nicknames? Mr. College (talk) 18:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Max Russo

Somebody (or some people) keep reverting Max Russo to inaccurate information. They falsely claim that Max's first name is Maximillians. That is false. Yes, I know his grandmother referred to him as Maximillians, but that is simply a nickname, just like when his grandmother refered to Alex as Lexi. It was a nickname and not her real name. I was told to take it to the discussion page, so here it is. Do these people not know what a nickname when they hear it? Why do people insist on reverting the true information with obviously false information? Mr. College (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

It is as referenced as all the other full names and since it has a reference it belongs just as much as Justin Vincenzo Pepe Russo and Alexandra Margarita Russo belong. A nickname is extremely unlikely to be a significantly longer version of a formal birth-certificate name, your theories to the contrary. It is significantly much more likely that names like Alex and Max are short forms of the formal given name, that is they are the nicknames. It is also extremely unlikely that his grandmother would be incorrect in what she called Max. As referenced information this belongs. Alex and Lexi are normal nicknames for Alexandra just as Max and Maxie are nicknames for Maximillians. If you have a reference to back up your assertion that Max's grandmother made up a formal sounding full name in jest, provide it. For more on previous discussion of this issue see Talk:Wizards of Waverly Place#Max Russo - I resisted adding this until a reference, which I verified, was given. --NrDg 18:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I do know of at least one person who has a nickname longer than his legal birth name. (Not to mention, my dog's nickname is longer than his actual name--not sure if that's the same.) One reason I think that Max is his legal birth name is that Maximillians just doesn't sound like a name. I have no problem accepting Alexandra as Alex's legal first name, since Alexandra does sound like a name. Mr. College (talk) 18:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Check articles on Max and Maximilian - The name "Max" originally started as an abbreviation of "Maximilian" so Max being a short form of Maximilian is very plausible. Maximillians is what I heard when listening to the two examples given to support it as Max's formal name, I don't have closed captioning so couldn't verify spelling so probably misspelled Maximilian, I may have misheard the ending s but I doubt it. (I'll look for this episode again so I can verify how closed captioning spelled it). Given how Alex is short for Alexandra it is also plausible that his parents picked a long formal name for Max as well particularly as Maximilian means "greatest" in Latin and that falls into the way his parents may have seen Max (it may also hint at which of the kids gets the powers). The context of the quote when it was used by his grandmother "It's all right Maximilians" was appropriate for the formal name to be used - she was not joking around. Of course this is all original research but it does support the evidence given by the quote that his grandmother was using his full proper name in that scene. --NrDg 19:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

To add - is is plausible that the ending "s" was misspoken either as a script written character slip in pronunciation or an actress mistake. Or it could be a parent attempt at originality. Closed captioning would resolve that. --NrDg 19:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hugh Normus

It's "Hugh Normous" and the parents are not played by David and Maria, as seen in credits of "Hugh's Not Normous". The parents are Lee Reherman and Clarinda Ross. 121.54.32.56 (talk) 06:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Fix

Seriously, the facts aren't listed systematically. I hope someone fixes this. Oh and by the way, I don't think Rosenblatt is the surname of Zeke. It was the surname of Zack. I think Zeke's real surname was mentioned in the "Fairy Tale" episode, but I couldn't spell it. 121.96.112.113 (talk) 09:47, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The name of the actor who played Mr. Stuffleby is definitely Fred Willard, not Fred Williams. Fact checked on IMDb. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dablainester (talk • contribs) 15:22, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Split proposal

The addition of {{Split section}} templates by 156.110.24.142 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is a proposal that this article be split into multiple independent character articles. See WP:SPLIT for process.

• Oppose. This article is 33kbytes long and is not yet long enough for a split to be justified on size alone. Any character article created would not be notable per general notability guidelines as there is no independent coverage in reliable secondary sources about any of the characters. Desire for in depth fan coverage is met at Wizards of Waverly Place wikia.

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harper Evans for some previous comments from when there were separate articles and why the separate articles redirected to this one.

The split was also proposed with no reason or justification given which is, in itself, reason to oppose. --NrDg 17:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. The article dosen't need spilt, I personally think it's to small to really need a split. However, I do beleave the article needs a major rewrite/clean up. It's full of grammer mistakes and some sentences are out of order. I don't have the time right now, otherwise I would do it, so if anyone wouldn't mind doing that for me, Thanks. If not i'll try and do it later, thanks again. Emo777 (talk) 16:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

• Agree. I believe that the article should be split. A page should be put up of all the secondary articles with stubs concerning the secondary articles. However, these are characters just like any other tv show so they should have their own articles. Koloheshark (talk) 03:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Most character articles in other TV shows should be merged back into a list of characters article. Some shows have had this done - see List of Hannah Montana characters for an example of a show that used to have separate character articles for all the main characters. --NrDg 13:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

• Agree Alex and Justin Russo need their own article. They both have not been absent form any episode in the series and have enough information to have separate articles. For Hannah Montana Miley and Robby Stewart both have separate articles. --Ipodnano05 (talk) 04:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

• Agree I think that Alex and Justin has enough information to have their own pages. I feel that when they have their own page, more things can be written so people have a more understanding of the character. At times when you navigate to find a certain character, you have to scroll down for a long time just to find it. The main characters should have their own page and there should be a page for secondary characters. --Prisonbreak_2005 (talk) 00:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• Y I think this page SHOULD be split into at least 3 articles, one for each main character. All other shows, such as Hannah Montana, have an article for each character. In case you might wanna argue that Miley Stewart/Hannah Montana is a singer, you may want to consider Cody Martin who is not a singer. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 18:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

• Agree I think that it should be split in to 3 or 4 seperate articles. One for each Alex, Justin and Max Russo, and debatably Harper Finkle.

• Agree I believe there's enough information for them. Alex, Justin and Max deserves it.

• Very strong oppose It doesn't matter how much information you have on them, these characters are not notable enough outside to series to warrant individual articles. $©@®©Ξ 20:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
• Comment Alex is very notable, Selena Gomez received an Emmy (with the cast) and Alma Award (just her) for her portrayal as her. -- Ipodnano05 (talk) 02:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The main character may deserve their own article, but the rest of them are not notable. Much like the Twilight characters, Bella Swan and Edward Cullen have gained mass notability since the novels and film, but the other characters fail notability outside of the book series. $©@®©Ξ 02:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Agree: I believe that the three should have their own pages, maybe Max and Harper share a page, because Max doesn't have too much info. And then have Jerry and Theresa share a page. And guest stars/recurring stars have their own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.38.190 (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose: I also oppose. These character are definitely not notable enough for their own pages. Adam 94 (talk) 23:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

• Agree I think there is enough information. And people could always add information. Taylorswift14 (talk) 09:27, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

• Agree: I think that there is more than enough info to split into 4 different pages. 22:45, 31 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sentra246 (talk • contribs)

Agree: Alex and Justin are quite obviously fan favorites they should definately have their own pages. While the other characters are important, they don't have enough info to make seperate pages for them. You could always combine pages such as Max and Harper, Jerry and Theresa. Combine these just until they get more info. imatreky (imatreky) 04:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

As the consensus is agree I'm going a head and start to split the articles. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 21:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose: these characters need to prove notability before getting their own pages. If coverage by reliable secondary sources independent from Wizards of Waverly Place is added, as well as appearances in popular culture that show the impact of the characters outside the series, then they might have their own articles. With the current information, they should stay within this article. --LoЯd ۞pεth 21:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

• Agree: There is a lot of information on Justin's character. Plus, he and Alex are the main characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.80.147.144 (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Agree: Justin and Alex need to have their own pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.85.247.180 (talk) 13:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

• Y: Justin and Alex already have pages, but Harper Finkle has become a very main character, and should have her own page.98.208.193.96 (talk) 13:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Keep in mind that you're replying to an inactive discussion from 18-23 months ago. --AussieLegend (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Pictures of characters

Pictures of minor characters, such as Jerry Pepe Russo, is needed. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 18:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

No, we only use fair-use photos in articles if they are absolutely needed. If you can find a free photo and prove it is free, go ahead and add it. $©@®©Ξ 02:10, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Max

I could not think of a better title. In the section on Max it mentions, that both sides of the kid's heritage comes in handy, however the only time I can think of Italian decent mentioned is by Jerry referring to pizza in Quincinera. "Italian, I tell you that everytime you order pineapple on your pizza." Is there another episode I should be thinking of?

In addition in comparing the article with the box on him, there is a slight inconsistency in his age (13 and 14 respectively), which is it?

Harper Elisha Finkle?

Where exactly is this whole name mentioned in the show? Please give a reference. 210.4.114.209 (talk) 06:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Nowhere? --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 01:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Character pictures

Who deleted all of the characters pictures? I am pretty sure these pictures qualify for free use. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions) 21:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Joe Lucas

Somewhere in Justin's bio there's something about Joe lucas in season 3??? Explain please. -blackguitar316 2-9-10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackguitar316 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

There's been no appearence of Joe Lucas on this show, as he only appeared in Jonas LA The WikiSpector (talk) 02:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC) Also from the WikiSpector (talk) 02:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC): And i cant call you an idiot for beleiving in that, because then the corps upstairs will be all up and on my case for intimidation or something like that. And i did not just call you an idiot

Alex & Justin Birthdates.

I noticed that Alex birthday is said to be August 10 1993 and Justin birthday April 17 1993 on the article page. By these dates Alex would have been born at approx. 4 months gestation if Teresa had become pregnant with Alex immediately (as in, the next day) after the birth of Justin. I could blah blah blah on about birth and stuff but that would just be over stating. Anyway can someone please fix this for me, For a newbie member like myself all those arrows and boxes are a bit intimidating.

Wikiregular (talk) 18:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Full Names

Where was it stated that Jerry is short for Jerome or that Theresa's full name is Theresa Magdalena Margarita Russo(née Devez)? I know links are provided, but I have seen the episode in question, and their names are not provided anywhere (apart from "Jerry" and "Theresa")? Mr. College (talk) 02:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC) YOU CAN ALSO WATCH 'WIZARDS OF WAVERLY PLACE' ON DISNEY CHANNEL FOXTEL AND THE WEBSITE WWW.DISNEYCHANNEL.COM AND MAYBE THE WEBSITE MY HAVE .AU ON FOXTEL IT IS ALSO ON 'SATURDAY DISNEY' IN THE MORNING.

People! Everyone knows Theresa's maiden name is Larkin The WikiSpector (talk) 02:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Introduced Season 4 characters

A couple new characters have been introduced in season 4, for instance Felix and Justin's delinquint class. Also Maxine, the girl version of Max, and Rosie, Justin's girlfriend for 3 episodes. We should make articles for these characters. --Markey77 (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Individual articles are justifiable only if the characters meet notability requirements. Maxine is included in Max Russo. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I mean we should make biographies for these characters on this page. --Markey77 (talk) 02:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Harper Finkle

I think the character should get a separate page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakshasingh910 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Her article was redirected here because the character is not notable enough to justify a separate article. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:36, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Divide Sections

The page is protected or I would add this template to Harper Finkle, Jerry Russo, and Teresa Russo:

They are very long and need division, and at least Harper should have her own page, I would think. Tell me what you think.98.208.193.96 (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The sections are a reasonable length for this article. Harper Finkle is only a supporting character and there isn't enough justification to split out to to a separate article. In fact the article was merged back into this one for that reason. The character, and Jerry and Theresa Russo all fail the general notability guidelies. --AussieLegend (talk) 21:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)