Talk:List of Spanish Grammy Award winners and nominees

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Requested move 21 January 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Closing this without any action. The suggestion by Dekimasu is cogent here. Multi-move request should be started and take into account all the affected pages in Template:Grammy Award years so as not fatigue the discussants and to see whether there's broad support for this move which will be widely noticed where ever the templates is transcluded. I also noticed this proposer said he wanted to include all the pages, but this was not done the proper way. The pages must to be listed here and have move notice individually so that those watching them will know what's going on and participate. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 14:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Spanish Grammy Award winners and nominees → List of Spanish Grammy Award nominees – Given that winners are nominees—the nominees who won—should the article be moved? I think it makes sense, and the creator of the table must have half-way agreed with me because, until I changed it to read "Winner(s) or Nominee(s)", the corresponding column header in the table read "Nominee(s)" (see here). I edited the header to be consistent with the title, but I think the original header actually made more sense, that its original text should be restored, and the article title should receive the same alteration.

Also, I propose that all articles with "winners and nominees" in their titles be moved accordingly. Largoplazo (talk) 01:36, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - the table should be also sorted in date order rather than alphabetically by artist. Dan arndt (talk) 04:41, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How can it be in date order when many entries have wins in multiple years? The table was created that way and I changed it to the way it is because the title says it's a list of Spanish "winners and nominees", not "wins and nominations". Largoplazo (talk) 11:58, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Its just a matter of changing the formatting of the table. Each column should also be sortable (see List of Brazilian Grammy Award winners and nominees). If I have the time I’ll have a go at it. Dan arndt (talk) 12:01, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's a table of wins and nominations. Sorting it on performer still yields a table of wins and nomination, albeit sorted by performer, not a list of performers. A table of performers would start by having the performers at the left. Incidentally, joining cells together, as is happening in the second column, when they are only the same by coincidence (i.e., not because they are part of an intentional categorization at one or more levels, as the first column is in my treatment of the Spanish table) isn't good practice! Largoplazo (talk) 12:39, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see what you've now done here. OK, that's cool. I'm fascinated that Wikipedia processes the table in such a way that when you sort it, it automatically replaces the spanning cells with individual ones. Largoplazo (talk) 13:49, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Always fun to learn new tricks. Dan arndt (talk) 13:57, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This should probably be redone as a multimove request. There are over 50 articles with the same "List of X Grammy Award winners and nominees" titles shown at Template:Grammy Award years, and only two that follow a format similar to this one: List of Australian Grammy Award winners and List of Belgian Grammy Award winners (no separate pages for nominees). This could be uncontroversial, but I'd still favor a centralized discussion rather than having only one article with a different title format. Dekimasuよ! 21:01, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- There's also a slipshod AfD going on for many of these, where many articles that weren't single-item lists were nominated as single-item lists, but still seem to be on their way to deletion at the moment: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Lithuanian Grammy Award winners and nominees. Dekimasuよ! 21:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]