Talk:List of Monogatari episodes

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Opening themes in TV broadcasts and home video

Since in the television broadcast some episodes occasionally use no opening or a different one from their respective home media version, the meaning of the listed songs in the tables is ambiguous. The Japanese articles list both of them (see 化物語 for example). Should we follow suit? At the time I am writing this ([1]), unless I'm mistaken, the opening themes for Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari are the home video versions, while the Nekomonogatari (Kuro) and Second Season are the tv versions (in Nekomonogatari (Kuro)'s case the opening plays for each of the four episodes). To me this doesn't seem like notable info so I suggest removing the OP column from the tables entirely and just listing them without mentioning in which episodes they are present. ー HigherFive〈Ｃ | Ｔ〉 08:02, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Second Season DVD respective numbering

I think we should also list the DVD-respective episode numbering for the second season since it did not include the 3 recap episodes and may confuse people. Ranze (talk) 02:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there such numbering besides the episode titles? ー HigherFive〈Ｃ | Ｔ〉 14:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Kizumonogatari in First Season?

Hi,

Why not moving Kizumonogatari to its rightful place (original light novel order) between Bakemonogatari and Nisemonogatari? The only reason it was released so late is because it was delayed, and the way it's presented right now makes it look like Kizu isn't part of First Season at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.89.87.141 (talk) 15:56, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Owarimonogatari

Shouldn't Owari be split between Owari and Owari II, as listed in the Final Season's infobox on the main page? I think the issue I have with how it's currently listed is how the overall episode count is linear from Owari to Owari II, despite the fact that Koyomi and Kizu were released prior to Owari II, and it's already seemingly been established that the "planned" order isn't necessarily relevant to how either of these articles list the cours, but more so how they were released (to which Im directly referencing Kizu and Hana). Sarcataclysmal (talk) 02:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I've made the last edit on how things are today. The problem I see is that Aniplex/Shaft lists Owarimonogatari as a holistic entry. You can see here in English, or in Japanese (In the Japanese website "Owari II" was just Vols. 6, 7, and 8). The official title for the two "parts" of Owarimonogatari is Owarimonogatari, so the fact it was release in "two parts" is already covered by the release dates. The titles inside the show is still Owarimonogatari too, and the last arcs was announced as just Owarimonogatari (Mayoi Hell, Hitagi Rendezvous, Ougi Dark). Well, that was my thought process at the time. Nowadays I'm more lenient about that (also because of Wikipedia guidelines), although I'd prefer something like in the Nisio Isin page. Also, I've been thinking on dividing the entries here in TV, ONA, and Film because of clarity, but also to avoid people changing things because of watch order, since it's a hot topic in the Monogatari fandom. Crosswrm (talk) 03:14, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I see. Changing to type would probably be best, considering that fact. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 05:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The issue I have with the current format is that the final arc of Koyomimonogatari leads directly into Mayoi Hell. That's why it makes sense to Have Owarimonogatari I, Koyomimonogatari, and then Owarimonogatari II in that order. That's how they aired chronologically. As it is now, anyone unfamiliar with the series will read through Owarimonogatari's episode list and be confused by the story in a way that people who watched the anime as it aired were not. Readers might not catch the gap in broadcast dates. In addtion, Kizumonogatari is listed in between Owarimonogatari and Koyomimonogatari, further increasing the distance between the two. 98.155.204.62 (talk) 13:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Staff

Crosswrm:

Was wondering if you think we should add the scriptwriters and episode/unit directors to this list. It might make the tables look a little crowded, but based on this mock up I made (https://imgur.com/a/eOgsteW) I think it'd look okay. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 16:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Based on this Featured List and the one from Re:Zero, I'd say it's good to add. The question goes on the importance on having the "Endcard" and "Opening theme" column. Though you could argue that the openings are notable enough to keep because of the sales it got on the CD release of the songs. Maybe add it and ask a third party to see what could be trimmed out? Crosswrm (talk) 16:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I think the "Endcards" are expendable, mostly due to the fact that beyond Hanamonogatari they kind of just fade out; I'll ask on the project talkpage and see what they think. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

This is Tintor's take on the subject. We could maybe remove the Endcard and OP info from the episode boxes and put that into paragraph information; so, we could cut/paste the info from the 2nd paragraph in the lead under each series header (rather than having that info in the lead), rather than having it all as one big paragraph and using the terms First Season, Second Season, and Final Season to denote to which series those themes belong to. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I think we could do that. If you need help with the workload I think I can do it tomorrow though it'll be better for me to do in the weekend. Also, seeing other lists they feature home releases and I'm thinking on adding the Japanese and North America releases for Monogatari, so maybe merging the character commentaries with them like in the Re:Zero? Crosswrm (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not very good with this style of table, but I can probably go through it and add the inoformation myself; really, I'd need you to correct all of the technical stuff I would (probably) mess up, though, lol. Regarding what Goszei said, I would like to list the scriptwriters in the table with the storyboard artists and episode directors, but we could potentially list them in the prose as well (as Yukito Kizawa and Muneo Nakamoto are the only scriptwriters for the entire series). Do you have any preference in this matter? Sarcataclysmal (talk) 23:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Now that Goszei mentioned the writers and storyboards I think that it'd be better doing that way (adding storyboarders instead). Since it's only 2 scriptwriters for the whole series it's better to add in prose; it'd be too repetitive and distracting in the table. I think it's settled about removing the "Endcards" entirely. Adding a section for the songs would require to make another list using the style of table for soundtracks with Utamonogatari and Utamonogatari 2. I agree with Goszei about the unnecessity of creating an article solely for the soundtrack unless there's enough information available about the production and critical reception of the music. Crosswrm (talk) 01:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Alrighty, I'll move the OP information right above the Bake header for now and just add all of the staff. If you want to work on adding a songs section, go ahead; you can also work on the prose, if you'd like, albeit I plan to get to that the next time I touch the article. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 09:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I support adding the episode directors for each entry, but I question adding the writers (of the scripts/screenplays). It is my understanding that the storyboard artist for each episode is more significant (which is a point where anime differs from live-action television) – I suggest including that credit instead.

My opinion on converting the OP and endcard info to prose: the OP info is quite repetitive, so I think it would be best placed in another heading (==Music== or ==Soundtrack==, maybe). Oricon/sales info for the single releases could also be placed in such a section (I don't think a spinoff article is required, as Tintor2 suggested). The endcard info is a little trivial, so I am ambivalent on whether it should be turned into prose or removed. — Goszei (talk) 23:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Songs

Did a mock-up (Ignore the "Critical reception" part. That's another thing I'm researching) of what I was thinking about the opening themes. I'm not sure yet about how to integrate the openings there. If it'd be better to make notes on each song or add another column to the table or even making a separate list. It's still missing Utamonogatari 2 but once that question is solved, I'll add it. Crosswrm (talk) 08:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I think it looks good so far, albeit I'm also uncertain as to how to integrate that. I've added some of the OP info into the prose, so maybe that'll work? If not, I'll just delete that part; regarding notes or another column, I believe another column would look nicer. I don't think it's necessary to make an entirely separate list. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 15:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I can't add another customized column in that table's style so I think it's better to add in the prose, indeed. I did add notes but it doesn't follow the standard Wikipedia's format style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crosswrm (talk • contribs) 20:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I see. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 23:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I was thinking if it'd be better to make a section of the "Songs" under ==Media== in the main Monogatari article instead of putting it here and copying the paragraph in the lead here there too. Thoughts? Crosswrm (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

That sounds more sensical than putting it here, honestly. Sarcataclysmal (talk) 21:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hanamonogatari OP and ED

@Crosswrm: Your edits indicate that "the last day of my adolescence" and "Hana Ato -shirushi-" were the ED and OP, respectively, when shown on TV but reversed for the Blu-Ray. Apart from the Anime News Network review, is there any other indication that this is true? I ask because the official site lists "the last day of my adolescence" as the OP and "Hana Ato -shirushi-" as the ED. I can't find any other sources to support your changes. I'd be inclined to go with the official site rather than ANN which, like Wikipedia, allows users to submit edits. However, if there are other sources that I haven't located, then I will leave the prose as-is. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 01:34, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

This news indicates that "Hana Ato" was always the ED for Hanamonogatari. So I think it's better to write about the theme songs as what they are: "the last day of my adolescence" being the OP and "Hana Ato" being the ED, without the mention about they switching places in the broadcast because in the end their "nature" were always the same, if that makes sense. Crosswrm (talk) 02:37, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense, and I've made the change. Thanks! — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 05:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)