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Denominations? Or Groups?

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It seems that the majority of this article isn't about LGBT-affirming denominations, but rather, LGBT-affirming Christian groups. Some (not all) of the groups are denomination specific, but most are not denominations by themselves. Should we retitle this article? Proboscis monkey (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This could be addressed in much more depth, since there are denominational conversations, initiatives, and sub-organizations, like More Light in Presbyterianism and RIC in Lutheranism. I don't think the article should be retitled, I think there should be a section on each denominations steps in LGBT-affirming directions, and the list of churches should be expanded (though I think not divided into denominations, but rather geographically, since the experience of worshiping or visiting in these churches may conform to their tradition but also may be more free flowing). 76.237.193.144 (talk) 00:59, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Denominations in Europe

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92.252.121.85 (talk) 19:55, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

      • I accidentally deleted some of "LGBT-affirming Christian denominations" while adding data to the section "Programmes not affiliated with any particular denomination."
 If anyone can recover it, please do so. Next time, I'll back it up first.

Victoria99 (talk) 09:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)Victoria99.[reply]

I think I restored what was deleted. Or at least a lot of it. BroWCarey (talk) 02:17, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quakers and Church of Scotland

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I added Quakers, which said in 2009 yes to same-sex marriages. And i added now Church of Scotland, who allowed on its Assembly in 2011 open homosexual ministers in civil unions.

Moravian Church

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In 2010, Moravian Church discussed LGBT ordination of homosexual people in committed relationships. 92.252.89.195 (talk) 19:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deceptive edits

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Reverted deceptive edits by 2602:306:83F9:8200:DD8A:1FDE:9B1C:898B. User had edited all mention of one organization by inserting links for another. The redirection was to an organization that has no affiliation with the one being replaced. BroWCarey (talk) 15:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this exist?

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Why does this page exist when we have List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorzki (talk • contribs) 16:29, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Merge proposal formally introduced on top of the page. Chicbyaccident (talk) 14:13, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About the Church of England

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The text says about UK and the Church of England: The church allows transgender priests. The C of E allows prayers to follow a civil same-sex marriage... Does anyone know what is the C and E? I would be glad if someone makes it clear if the Church of England is a gay affirming Church or not. 176.92.105.42 (talk) 10:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

--- C of E is short for Church of England. Worldwide, the Anglican Communion, of which the Church of England is a part, is greatly divided on these issues. In the United States, the Episcopal Church is fully affirming, while other members of the communion are the exact opposite. Not sure what the current C of E position is exactly, but I suspect they feel they are caught in the middle! BroWCarey (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge proposal

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FAILED
Regardless if the merge (hmosexuality to LGBT) was carried out earlier, it's possible there would be a split proposal. As of now, there is consensus to not merge and instead, improve the article. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 04:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd like to propose merging this with List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality. "Affirming LGBT" is extremely vague. Does it mean allowing for same-sex civil partnerships? Accepting celibate gay individuals in the congregation (in which case we might list the Jehovah's Witnesses here)? Not considering gay sex to be a sin (probably a position of most LGBT groups but very few groups listed here)? Saying "we affirm LGBT people," regardless of their more concrete positions on these topics? The article seems to define it as accepting homosexual/transgender identity, but then we should add the Jehovah's Witnesses and LDS. For this list to be more useful, it would definitely need a more detailed description of each denomination's position, especially since someone interested in this topic would probably like to know a group's position on all of the above, but then that would be essentially duplicating the content in the above article.

Obviously, List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality doesn’t list their positions on transgender people, but this article doesn’t talk about positions on trans people much either, and that’s what Christianity and transgender people is for.

—Enervation (talk) 14:07, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose on the grounds that improving the articles to better match the scope is preferable. There are issues that related to LGBT relationship distinct from those related to homosexuality. Klbrain (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this article may need cleaned up, but wikt:affirm has a definition. It would be sense 3 in this case, to support or encourage. Jerod Lycett (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Proposal for making this list a table

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Given the way this article is organised, it seems possible to turn it into a table without information loss. As a table, we could also use colours to distinguish nuances in acceptance, such as individual churches, parishes, or congregations being allowed to decide for themselves, whether or not a church is explicitly accepting of Transgender and Gender Non-conforming people, etc..

Furthermore, I think table format will make it easier for a christian or curious LGBTQ+ person to reference this list as a way of answering the (very important) question "Will I be accepted in this church" Skylerblue77 (talk) 06:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, while I am aware this would make the article somewhat unwieldy, listing all denominational groups in the table(s) (and listing the non-affirming denominations as red, or similar) would also help in being clear as to wether or not any given denominational group one might be curious about is accepting or not. This would also make clear that a group not included in a table is not LGBT-Excluding-by-omission. Skylerblue77 (talk) 06:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please edit for the new United Methodist updates 173.54.139.221 (talk) 17:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Main subject

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Hello SeminarianJohn (talk · contribs) Igallards7 (talk · contribs) Natg 19 (talk · contribs) Ellwat (talk · contribs). The category (Category:Affirming churches by country) already contains affirming churches. Listing local churches goes outside the main topic (Christian denominations) and looks like an incomplete and redundant directory, since local churches are listed, in addition to their denominations. Currently, local churches in the United States occupy a large place, while the international section is very unrepresentative of reality due to its small number in comparison with the denominations mentioned above. Now, to be comprehensive, this article should contain the thousands of local affirming churches that are members of affirming denominations. The mention of denominations, without the hundreds (or thousands) of member churches would seem sufficient and neutral. This would also avoid Wikipedia:Systemic bias). Thanks for your help. My best wishes of peace and love (WikiLove).--Nathan B2 (talk) 20:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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