User talk:Ellwat

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July 2021

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Association football

Hey there. Please be careful when deleting things. Removing the term "soccer" from association football is confusing. There are hundreds of millions of people (Americans such as myself) who only know the sport by the name soccer. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Liz Truss

The links you added to Liz Truss were against the MoS and non-constructive. Please do not link this way again. Thanks. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:09, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

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November 2023

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December 2023

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Rory Stewart, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 21:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ellwat! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Rory Stewart that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 21:36, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Vacant0. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I noticed that you unlinked one or more redlinks from 2023 Serbian parliamentary election. Redlinks are useful and can often be helpful, so we don't remove them just because they are red. They help improve Wikipedia by attracting editors to create needed articles.

In addition, clicking on the "What links here" link (in the tools listed at the left in desktop view) on a missing article shows how many—and which—articles depend on that article being created. This can help prioritize article creation. Please only remove a redlink if you are pretty sure that it is to a non-notable topic and not likely ever to be created. Thanks! Vacant0 (talk) 17:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Interlanguage links

I would like to complain about your callous recklessness on wholesale red link removals on several pages that also appear to show a continuing and severe degree of prejudice against interlanguage links in willful disregard of concerns raised by other editors above. If I find you arbitrarily wiping off such links again as you did in 2023 Prague shooting and Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 September 2023 – present), then I have no choice but to either file a report at AIV or ANI. Borgenland (talk) 00:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

@Borgenland:, this user needs to be blocked if you ask me. --Jkaharper (talk) 18:52, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Please see my explanation to him in the below section about why redlinks are kept, and not start a blocking war against a user who has not yet been acquainted fully with our reasons, nor has responded to such an explanation at this timestamp. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:59, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Deaths in 2023

Why are you removing so much content from Deaths in 2023 EvergreenFir (talk) 18:56, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

If the articles for these people don't exist on the English language Wikipedia then what is the point of listing them on an English language Wikipedia page? Ellwat (talk) 21:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

The redlinks are left in for one month so that an article might be written for them - the same reason InterLanguage Links are sometimes included next to the name where possible, so that information can be gathered from foreign Wikipedia articles to include in a possible English Wikipedia one. The issue of redlinks or no redlinks is a matter for discussion and consensus at the project, so please open up an appropriate section at the talk page if you think that something about the way it operates should change. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:56, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Got it, thanks for explaining! EvergreenFir (talk) 23:40, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia as a reference

Hi Ellwat. I noticed that you added Wikipedia as a reference for some additions to David Lammy. Unfortunately Wikipedia is never a reliable source for referencing, so I've replaced them with {{citation needed}} tags. See WP:CIRCULAR for why Wikipedia shouldn't be used specifically, and WP:UGC for the more general issue. I've also gone through and removed similar references from a few other articles you've recently edited. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 13:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for telling me, as I was not previously aware of this. I was using the Wikipedia pages of the constituencies, using the information about each election as the source. I understand that WP:CIRCULAR means that this shouldn't be done. However, is there any chance that this could be excused in these situations? All people have to do is go onto that other Wikipedia page to find the correct information; which is in turn regularly edited and supervised. In the meantime I'll get round to providing different sources for what I've written. Ellwat (talk) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ellwat I was just coming here to say the same thing about your edits to Alex Sobel. No, you can't plead it's a special case. Wikipedia cannot be used as a source. Look at the articles you were about to cite, find their sources for the facts you want to add, check the references, and then add them. If you have used Wikipedia as a source in other articles, please go back to them now and add proper references. Thanks. PamD 18:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok understood. Hopefully as you can see with David Lammy and Dan Poulter I have done this. I'll continue to work my way through the other pages doing so. Ellwat (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ellwat Thanks. Yes, when I went to look at your contributions list to see if you were still adding Wikipedia refs I was pleased to see that you're cleaning them up. Thanks for doing so. PamD 18:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry Ellwat, as PamD has said there are no exceptions. I suggest finding the relevant reference in the target article and copying it into the article your editing. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 18:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested@Ellwat But checking the ref first to make sure it is still available and does support the content you want to add - and then remember to change the "access-date" to today. PamD 18:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the advice. Ellwat (talk) 20:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Campbell

Hi Ellwat, which bits of the edit do you disagree with? The depression and alcoholism is still detailed. It's a long article. I don't think it's necessary to state where he left his car on a certain day and who visited him in hospital. Your thoughts are welcome. Anna (talk) 14:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Why did you remove the BLP tag? Large sections of the biography are unreferenced. Please use edit summaries to explain the rationale of your changes. Anna (talk) 14:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes sorry I'll add it back. Didn't realise that lots of the sections are unreferenced. Ellwat (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

If the information is already out there, then does it need to be removed? I agree it's very detailed, but is that necessarily a problem? Ellwat (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Reading through, you can see that many paragraphs, esp in the second half, have no cites. I think that many of the other cites given do not cover the whole previous text. It's the kind of article that has had no tlc for 20 years and people have just added bits and pieces in, without refs. Anna (talk)

"If the information is already out there, then does it need to be removed?" I don't understand the question. "I agree it's very detailed, but is that necessarily a problem?". WP is an encyclopedia and strives for that neutral, impersonal and concise perspective. You can ask: "would Britannica include details of who visited him in hospital?" No, indeed. You could also imagine heads of state, nobel laureates, heads of publishing houses, PMs, school children in Gambia reading the article. Is it relevant for them to know where a car was parked? Not really.

"Information should not be included in this encyclopedia solely because it is true or useful."

WP is not here for advocacy. Anna (talk) 14:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:BLP: Biographies of living people are special cases where WP have to be very careful. They can be sued if inaccurate info is given or dodgy sourcing is used. To support the project we give the best, strongest and most consistent sources we can. It's a policy issue. Anna (talk) 14:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

"If the information is already out there, then does it need to be removed". If I'm reading your comment right you are are referring to secrecy or privacy issues. That was not my moticvation for the edits at all. He has made programmes about his own health issues, so it should not affect WP:BLP if propely cited. It's a question of concision and serious, revelant encyclopedic content. Re popes. Anna (talk) 15:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Any thoughts? Anna (talk) 16:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes I read everything you wrote. I think you've made clear what the Wikipedia rules are, and I'll be honest I didn't really know them well. Ellwat (talk) 09:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad to help in learning to navigate the project. It is a confusing place, sometimes. Are you ok if I undo your revert of my edits? I will continue to try and clean up the Campbell article. Best wishes Anna (talk) 10:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes that's absolutely fine, thanks for understanding Ellwat (talk) 11:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Hi, thank you for your message on my Talk page about Bancroft's School. I'm afraid verifiability in published sources is key for Wikipedia, and especially so for biographies of living people. I take your point about other listed people in that article not having references, and have tagged that section - hopefully other editors will pick this up and add references or remove people. Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I saw you added the tag, so I'll go through all the alumni listed and try to find references for them. Ellwat (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for reminding me about that DPL bot :) Ellwat (talk) 10:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

UK stuff

Howdy. I had to 'revert' my changes in the bios of the current British members of Parliament. But, there is a discussion taking place concerning the matter, at Template:Infobox officeholder.-- GoodDay (talk) 15:52, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for making me aware. I'll check it out. Ellwat (talk) 17:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Diane Abbott

Hello, I'm DeFacto. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person on Diane Abbott, but you didn't support your changes with a citation to a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! -- DeFacto (talk). 12:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Portsmouth Grammar School

Not every school with "grammar" in its name is a state school. 31.94.60.127 (talk) 06:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, I didn't bother to read anything past "Portsmouth Grammar School". Ellwat (talk) 08:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources

Hallo, in this edit with summary "Added a reference or two and removed superfluous information" you seem to have added an unsourced date of birth for a living person. I've tracked down a reliable-looking source, along with its archive copy from 11 December 2023 which shows that they didn't get the info from en.wiki, but another time please remember to add a decent source for any date of birth you add to an article. It's a constant problem with new MPs, where people "know" the date of birth, or find it at Companies House, but we can't include it until it has appeared in a WP:RS. Thanks. PamD 11:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Ok noted, thank you Ellwat (talk) 10:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Matt Warman

Your March edit to Matt Warman seems to have included adding two broken references - 7 & 14. Would you please sort that out. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for pointing that out. I've removed the two references in question, because there were already other references covering the information. Ellwat (talk) 17:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

June 2024

Please note that the edit for Neil Hudson (politician) has been restored - this is factual information with citations to the local press. For future reference, please consider breaking your edits into smaller chunks rather than a single edit which contains multiple deletions and additions. Bram880 (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Minor edits

Hi Ellwat! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Anneliese Dodds that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 07:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Please stop marking edits as minor when they clearly do not fit the very strict criteria at WP:MINOR. Thank you. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 11:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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