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Requested move to Lily Rose Cooper

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. Supports are outside of any policy I know of or can find and certainly no one has cited any targeted policy backing their support. WP:BLP is mentioned but it does not address this issue (nor is it stated anywhere that common names are generally inapplicable when a BLP is involved, as asserted below). A generic link to WP:MOS is cited for reasons that are not clear. Two cases of articles that were moved following a name change were raised, but those were not policy-based requested move discussions, nor was there any analysis of this being analogous (or whether those moves were even proper). On the other hand, WP:COMMONNAME, cited below, addresses this issue directly: "If the name of a person, group, object, or other article topic changes, then more weight should be given to the name used in reliable sources published after the name change than in those before the change." Here we have a very well known person whose fame is under the current title (there are 22 news results for the target name and almost 19,000 for the current). We would confound the expectations of a huge numbers of searchers by the requested change at this time. Having articles at common names is fundamental to our naming conventions and well established for BLPs through the vast numbers of articles on people at titles that are not their actual names. (Shall we retitle Cat Stevens Yusuf Islam [or Steven Demetre Georgiou]?) If she becomes well known to the world by the changed name, as shown in reliable sources, then this can be revisited, in keeping with the quoted policy. That has not occurred yet.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:09, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Lily Allen → Lily Rose Cooper – Request made 3 August 2012 by user:Edkollin using template:movenotice. Reason given by Edkollin "She has changed her professional name from Lily Allen to Lily Rose Cooper" -- PBS (talk) 21:12, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

She has changed her professional name from Lily Allen to Lily Rose Cooper [1] and in my view that is what we should use because the main reason we have this article is her professional work. There is a redirect from Lily Rose Cooper currently. Edkollin (talk) 17:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

  • But that source doesn't say exactly when or how. And all of her fame to date has been with the name Lily Allen. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support. Following WP:MOS, it would be more proper to move her to the new article. However, to support what Martinevans123 is saying, this would take a massive undertaking. You have to change every "Allen" in the article to "Cooper" and move other articles of hers such as:
Or am I just paranoid? — WylieCoyote (talk) 19:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Is that what she is legally called, or what she now chooses to call herself? Does that matter? Will she become "TAFKAA"?! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
The article (and others) states that she has "changed her professional name", meaning legally. If like Prince, she changes it back in five years, we'll move it back, via the wonders of Wikipedia. — WylieCoyote (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Instead of citing secondary sources, better use the primary source here. Its the offical press release of her publicist (on which all other articles out there are based on). I do not think there is an immediate need to rename it, because she is just famous for here work as Lily Allen and there is no work at all released under her new name (so nobody really knows her under her new name). There is just an announcement(!) for future songs (and we do not know if these future songs even get published or she even gets famous under her new name). After the release of an album under here new name and after she is better known under here new name, we can pick this up again - before then just leave it as it is! --77.4.48.249 (talk) 22:03, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Sooner or later, it will need to be moved. It's reminiscent of creating seasonal articles for TV shows. Some are against it as "IT'S TOO SOON!" but inevitably, they get created. — WylieCoyote (talk) 02:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
No, in this case it is NOT inevitable, because there are no real facts and no album with her new name, just an empty promise for the future. She even do not have an recording contract! Everybody knows Mrs. Allen/Cooper is great in blah blah blah and making empty promises and changing her mind radically (remember her saying she makes no more music, she quits social media... etc. - now she makes a 180 U-turn as if she never said that in the past!). The comparison with TV shows is wrong, because the announcement of a TV Show is backed by a studio and a broadcaster. Mrs. Allen is just backed by the unreliable Mrs. Allen herself! Unless there is no record company advertising her new album, there is NO WAY to change the name of the article!
BTW: What if Mrs. Allen get divorced from Mr. Cooper? You think she will stick to the stage name Cooper? No way, so the next name change announcement is preprogrammed ...just saying ;-) -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.4.54.76 (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
I'll return in 6 months to either eat my words or gloat.
P.S. Don't forget to sign your comments! — WylieCoyote (talk) 14:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Support but incubate. It is better if we could wait for some more time. Until an official say of her name change, probably through an album cover or something.
tausif(talk) 10:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
No we wouldn't. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:12, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Miscarriage

It seems odd to me that the miscarriage is mentioned twice as a reason for delaying an album, but is never mentioned in any other manner, such as in a non-music-related bio section. Perhaps someone with more knowledge of the subject could rectify this? -mattbuck (Talk) 20:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Nothing about the recent one either. FotoPhest (talk) 19:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Agreed! Also at one point it says she is pregnant a second time when it's in fact the fourth (first - miscarriage, second - stillborn, third - Ethel and now her fourth which is due next month.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theplasticminute (talk • contribs) 08:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request: 02:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Re:   Childhood and youth section, §3
Please change:   This would lead to Allen singing Baby Mine from Disney's Dumbo at a school concert.
To: This would lead to Allen singing "Baby Mine" from Disney's Dumbo at a school concert.
Reason:   a) per Wikipedia: Manual of Style/Music #Popular music, song titles should be in quotes, not italic ;   b) red-link to song - the article for which is being submitted for creation, and falls within guidelines for Wikipedia: Manual of Style/Linking #Red links and WP: REDLINK ;   c) per MoS, movie titles should be in italics.
~Thanks, ~E:74.60.29.141 (talk) 06:21, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. Rivertorch (talk) 11:04, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Pregnancy

The sentence "In July [2012], Allen confirmed reports that she was pregnant again." can be removed, as one paragraph later it is said that "Allen gave birth to her second child, daughter Marnie Rose, on 8 January 2013". So the first statement is obsolete. 158.64.4.214 (talk) 16:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Lily Allen is not activist

She is not LGBT rights activist, is not feminist and is not environmentalist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.117.181.161 (talk) 22:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

In the absence of any mention in the article of LGBT rights activism or feminism, I have removed those two categories. The environmentalist cat appears to be supported by this ref (currently footnote 51). Rivertorch (talk) 05:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

The environmentalist category does not appear to be supported by none reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.225.171.124 (talk) 14:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

"By none reference"? I have no idea what that means, but the category inclusion does appear to be supported by the ref linked above. If you disagree, please explain why, and try to be clear. Rivertorch (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not really disagree with that matter, because she is not an environmentalist. She is not activist in none subject and all they know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.226.28.8 (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I got the gist of what you think the first time around. What I asked was that you explain why you think it. Remember, what matters is not your opinion or mine as to whether she actually is an environmentalist; you need to show either that the source doesn't support such a categorization or that the source is unreliable. Rivertorch (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
She was added to the Feminist musicians cat but I removed it per this previous discussion. Although this is different from the feminist cat she was previously in I assume the lack of feminist mentions in the article prevent this category from being any more useful than the first.LM2000 (talk) 07:06, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Category to Add

If some could add her to "Category:Women company founders", that would be awesome. 71.191.95.5 (talk) 08:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

A citation is needed regarding the Keane and John Lewis music video Rod and Emu (talk) 17:57, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Done I took your request to mean "please add a citation needed template..." Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2014

Would you edit the discography section of this page, adding her upcoming third studio album as 'TBA (2014)' to the section in order to make sure this page is as up to date as possible 92.24.62.163 (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

 Not done as WP:CRYSTAL When there is a title and date cited in a reliable source (Not Facebook, Twitter etc.) please re-request citing that source. Arjayay (talk) 17:49, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2014

Resolved
 – 19:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Please add link to new article: "Baby Mine" → [[Baby Mine {song}|Baby Mine]] — in the 3rd paragraph of 'Early life' section.
71.20.250.51 (talk) 03:46, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: [[Baby Mine {song}]] is a technically impossible page name. You're going to need to come up with a correct page name that you want added and be much more specific about where you want it added. I know it is a pain, but I'd rather be clear on what you want than to make a change and have you say that wasn't what you meant. Thanks for your understanding. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 14:43, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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71.20.250.51 (talk) 01:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Done I'm not sure I like your defensive BATTLEGROUND tone, but your request is valid, and now clear. As far as your "methods" go, none of them actually were correct. "A" doesn't tell me where I should have been looking for the text to replace with a link, "B" assumes I'm using the edit toolbar which I don't (it conflicts with wikEd), and "C" is just a personal attack which I'm choosing to ignore. — {{U|Technical 13}} (t • e • c) 01:27, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
"A" tells you to look: "— in the 3rd paragraph of 'Early life' section." (This can only be a "BATTLEGROUND" if wished to be so; there has been no shouting by this editor, except as that quote from the previous editor; in this case, "tone" is in the ear of the beholder).  71.20.250.51 (talk) 02:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2014

In the EARLY LIFE section, please add that I (Ian Emes) am the director of the film "The Yob" in which Lily Allen appeared - Ref: www.ianemes.com or IMDB At the age of three, Allen appeared on The Comic Strip Presents... episode "The Yob" directed by Ian Emes Ian emes (talk) 19:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2014

Change "On 6 November, Allen was admitted to the hospital, where she responded well to treatment for septicaemia." to "On 6 November, Allen was admitted to the hospital, where she responded well to treatment for sepsis." as septicaemia causes a redirect, because "The term septicemia ... is no longer used by the consensus committee."

193.202.109.254 (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Cricket fan trivia

In the 'Personal Life' section, I suggest that the opening statement (that she is a cricket fan) be demoted to the end, or deleted entirely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.128.156 (talk) 12:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2014

Allen's voice is in a soprano range.[3] 86.135.200.138 (talk) 11:29, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Question: Where in the article would you suggest including this information? —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

New picture

The latest image is from 2009, please add this more recent one:

Lily Allen at Southside Festival 2014


MHPhoto (talk) 21:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Happy to self-revert if anyone thinks her face is very small in this image. maybe I can figure out how to crop it Cannolis (talk) 00:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps it's just me but the new image looks worse than before as you can barely see her face - (I don't wanna RV seeing as anyone could disagree with me and I could end up creating a nuclear disaster!). –Davey2010 • (talk) 01:11, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
reverted to the old one. The image quality on the file itself seems fine enough, I think it just needs to be cropped so the shrinking of the image for infobox sized pictures doesn't leave us with a tiny tiny head. Will see if I can figure that out in a bit. Cannolis (talk) 01:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Yup completely agree the quality's fine Just needs cropping me thinks, –Davey2010 • (talk) 01:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay replaced it with a cropped one. I think it's clear enough? If not I can go in more for the face and maybe cut the left arm out. Seeing as MHPhoto looks to be the individual gracious enough to have taken and uploaded the original to the Commons if he has any take on cropping I will gladly defer to his expertise. Cannolis (talk) 00:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Wow looks much much better - Least we can see her face now :) - Thanks, –Davey2010 • (talk) 05:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Yay no more pinhead! On a side note, I can't help but think this picture is somewhat less flattering but oh well, it is 7 years more recent. Cannolis (talk) 14:26, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

"Cockney"

The "Artistry" section begins with:

"Allen's early released songs saw her take on a thick Cockney accent while singing against retro productions.[1] Her music was used as part of an exhibition at the British Library tracing the history of Cockney English.[2]"

There are a couple of problem here. In the first instance, the first Billboard citation is a dead link, but more importantly from the Archive.org cached copy it's clearly that it said nothing whatsoever about her accent, let alone whether it was "Cockney" as opposed to any other London one.

Secondly, the cited Evening Standard article doesn't say that Allen has a Cockney accent, but rather that elements of Cockney have been assimilated into other London accents, including that in West London where she was born (which automatically makes her not a Cockney, anyway). It specifically states that, in contrast to traditional Cockney, "Lily Allen and Kate Nash reflect a younger urban mode of speech." The current text seems to based on a fundamental misunderstanding of London accents, so I am therefore editing it accordingly. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:53, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Fully agree. She's even listed at Mockney. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Billboard090117 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ "Would you Adam 'n' Eve it? Cockney history revealed". London Evening Standard - Thisislondon.co.uk. 11 November 2010. Retrieved 24 July 2011.

the fear

the song is a lie for most of them, this allen might read the sun una the mirror, but quite a lot read the telegraph cause they are mornings in a early hurry.

79.234.237.102 (talk) 15:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Briatore's yacht scandal

Can anyone tell me why there is no reference about Lily Allen's scandal aboard Flavio Briatore's yacht anymore? There used to be a mention, but there's none anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.45.16 (talk) 03:48, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Stalking case

It's recently come out (April 2016) that Allen was the victim of stalking by a man called Alex Gray for over 7 years, he is currently in jail on charge for burglary and harassment (after finally breaking into Allen's house, harassing her and stealing her handbag). She felt that her case was poorly handled by the Metropolitan Police and claims that they have victim-shamed her. Might this class as a controversy, or perhaps part of her personal life? Sources: [1][2][3][4]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deanb1994 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547524/Mother-stalker-terrorised-Lily-Allen-seven-years-reveals-tried-sectioned-forced-way-singer-s-home-children-slept.html
  2. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36085242
  3. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/19/stalked-lily-allen-blasts-met-police/
  4. ^ http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/19/lily-allen-accuses-met-of-victim-blaming-after-stalking-ordeal

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2016

Uncited inclusion of R&B as primary genre by Buckfarmer. 124.149.90.205 (talk) 05:08, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, it was MDNe (looks like an invalid user when I clicked on it) that added R&B as the genre not Buckfarmer. 124.149.90.205 (talk) 05:12, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Done nyuszika7h (talk) 09:47, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Source

Celebrity articles aren't really my area of wiki-work, but I hope someone can make use of this:

--NSH001 (talk) 07:53, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2016

On 28 September, I submitted an edit request to revert the unsourced genre edits by MDNe. It was reverted but then MDNe changed the genres again along with some other changes. Only some of those changes have been reverted not the genres. I also see that MDNe has been blocked so I don't understand why the genres haven't been changed again since then. 

Although I can't think of any specific examples, I think this is not the first time that I have noticed that someone has changed more than one thing and they've got away with some of their changes because only the part they mentioned changing is detected. In my opinion, this is something to be wary of.

124.170.172.239 (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

 Done Cited source said she was "inspired" by those genres, not that her music was of those genres, and IMHO was not an RS in any case - Arjayay (talk) 17:18, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Add to Filmography Section

Lilly appeared on Never Mind The Buzzcocks as cited here: [1] her appearance may be viewed here: [2]

Please add to filmography the following:

Year Title Role Notes

2006 Never Mind The Buzzcocks herself S19E06 30 November 2006


CURRENT FILMOGRAPHY BELOW


Year Title Role Notes 1998 The Comic Strip Presents... Child in Promo "The Yob" (Season 4, Episode 4) 1998 Elizabeth Lady in Waiting 2007 Saturday Night Live Musical Guest (Herself) "Drew Barrymore/Lily Allen" (Season 32, Episode 12) 2008 Lily Allen and Friends Host (Herself) Talk show 2009 Neighbours Herself Guest starring, soap opera (1 episode) 2011 Lily Allen: From Riches to Rags Herself

Johnrichardhall (talk) 10:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2016

Lilly appeared on Never Mind The Buzzcocks as cited here List_of_Never_Mind_the_Buzzcocks_episodes#Series_19 and her appearance may be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVQMKqQVaBM

Please add to filmography the following:

Year Title Role Notes

2006 Never Mind The Buzzcocks herself S19E06 30 November 2006

Johnrichardhall (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Never_Mind_the_Buzzcocks_episodes#Series_19
  2. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVQMKqQVaBM
It appears you are/will be autoconfirmed, so you can probably make the edit yourself. — Andy W. (talk) 01:32, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Actress and TV presenter??

Really?? She is neither and so therefore their is nothing to prove that she is. Can these false claims be removed from the article please? She is know for being an IT girl from a very wealthy family with a very privileged childhood and every leg-up she can get to get into the music industry. Some of her songs did quite well a few years back, thats what she is know for, so why does this article not show that??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.232.91 (talk) 11:35, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

No genre

I have been aware since September 2016 that a now blocked user called "Buckfarmer" made changes to Lily Allen's genres on the main page with no validated source. They have since been removed having left the genre section in the background info blank since soon after Buckfarmer's genres including R&B as the first genre which was completely unsourced and not one of original genres on the page. However the genres that been accepted prior to Buckfarmer's vandalism have disappeared. The last time an edit was made that left the genres of Pop, Ska, Reggae fusion and Synthpop alone was made on July 6. I have noticed this happen on a lot of music artist pages where someone has successfully removed or changed genres by putting unsourced information which has been removed but has still resulted in a change from the original. It has become very easy for people to do vandalism and then do more vandalism only for it to be reverted back to their first vandalism which even if the user has been blocked sometimes stays there. 

People also but dodgy links in there such as a link claiming to validate that "Mercy" by Shawn Mendes is a song in the Rock genre and a link that claims to verify "Complicated" by Avril Lavigne is a Death metal song but says nothing of the sort if the link is checked.  This particularly seems wrong to me because when I tried to make some changes, I was called a "genre warrior". I saw the genre warrior page which suggests that is a very strange thing for people to do and "is done by people who think they know better". This is often true but it often isn't because completely unsourced vandalism is often unnoticed particularly when it is done twice. For some reason people sometimes fail to check that the previous edit was valid and the page becomes stuck with something that has no basis because it has never been properly sourced and accepted. As I said, people are often blocked on here for vandalism but it doesn't always mean all of their vandalism goes away, in this case the removal of all of the genres in the info box on Lily Allen's Wikipedia entry.

If Wikipedia is going to be so critical of all the so called "genre warriors" they should be more careful that links are valid and that every edit done by a blocked user is reverted. I agree that music genres can be subject to debate sometimes but there is no point in including them at all on music artist entries if unsourced inconsistencies between versions of the same page often go unnoticed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.146.140 (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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Genre(s) missing.

Why are there no genres on the main artist page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.150.76.243 (talk) 21:59, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Have you ever tried to add genres to Wikipedia? It's just not worth the hassle. --Walnuts go kapow (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2018

The recently added statement about her divorce is incorrectly attached to a paragraph about her previous relationship. 199.91.42.30 (talk) 21:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Now moved, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2018

The photo of Lily in the infobox has the subheading "Allen in 2011". The photo was actually taken as part of a photoshoot with NME in 2014 around the time Sheezus was released. Can this be corrected to say "Allen in 2014" as opposed to what it currently says? ESelley (talk) 16:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The photo source says "12 May 2011, 19:39:58" and this is backed up by the camera metadata, so a date of 2014 seems very unlikely. There may have been some problems with the source, so we'd need to check with the contributor User:Kaiketsu. Meanwhile, do have a good source to support 2014 and the "NME"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: Sir Joseph (talk) 13:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Author

Lily Allen has thrived as a popular singer and songwriter, both in the United States and Europe. Now on September 20th 2018 she is releasing her first book. "My Thoughts Exactly" by Lily Allen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlmnice (talk • contribs) 03:04, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dlmnice. Is there a problem with the article? This talk page is not a forum for discussing Lily Allen. Her memoir My Thoughts Exactly is already mentioned in the article under the section 2017–present: No Shame, and has its own article at My Thoughts Exactly. (Also: please sign your comments by ending them with ~~~~.) — Bilorv(c)(talk) 11:04, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Sexual assault allegation

Why is this not in the article? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7460261/Lily-Allen-accuses-Warner-Music-failing-act-told-sexually-assaulted.html 81.146.44.116 (talk) 16:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

The Daily Mail is not a reliable source. The sexual assault is covered at the article My Thoughts Exactly, the book in which she discussed the incident. — Bilorv (talk) 16:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2020

Please check the bottom page of Lily Allen's wikipage. Categories. Look closely. Since she is part of the Category:English feminists category. She needs to be added to the following category, Category:Feminist musicians.

Thank you! DXVALE1111 (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done, not supported by article (removed the existing category as well). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Zoe Kravitz Assault

This needs to be included under controversies. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/zoe-kravitz-lily-allen-kiss-attack-book-my-thoughts-exactly-a8634331.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.124.36.217 (talk) 04:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

This is better placed at My Thoughts Exactly if there are additional sources about this (as it's highly contentious material about two living persons). — Bilorv (talk) 21:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Sex-positive / Sex-positive feminism thoughts

Hi, I was wondering what people thought about Lily Allen relating to the sex-positive movement and sex-positive feminism. In the following article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54712504 - Lily Allen discusses her views on female masturbation. From what I can see it seems her views match that of the sex-positive movement and/or sex-positive feminism. Another person in the interview mentions about talking to her friends about sex positivity. However, the article doesn't explicitly mention that Lily Allen supports the sex-positive movement or is a sex-positive feminist. I have tried to look for articles about her discussing sexuality that explicitly say she supports sex-positivity or sex-positive feminism but I can't find any well-known reliable sources that explicitly mention that she supports these views. I would like to add a section about Lily Allen to the page sex-positive movement and/or sex-positive feminism if applicable, however I think using this source or the other well-known reliable sources I've seen that discuss her views on this would fall under breaking the WP:SYNTHESIS rule as I cannot find any that specifically say she supports these views. Both of these two pages are currently heavily weighted to mentioning people from North America and from what I last saw mention few or no people outside this area that support these views. I was wondering what other people's views on this are and if anyone knows any reliable sources that state whether she supports sex-positivism and/or sex-positive feminism. Any thoughts or help would be much appreciated. Helper201 (talk) 21:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

You're right about WP:SYNTH—we need quotes directly from her to say that she identifies as a sex-positive feminist or a wide range of reliable sources who use that specific term about her. Someone can hold very similar views to another person but label themselves differently. I don't think it's appropriate to mention her on the other pages you mention but we can maybe talk a bit more about the Womanizer product and what she has said in connection with the topic, since I've seen it getting a lot of media attention. Sex, masturbation and feminism are topics she talks about in My Thoughts Exactly but I think it's already covered in more than enough detail at that article. — Bilorv (talk) 22:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Please let me know if you see any reliable sources that report her as being sex-positive, a sex-positive feminist, or supportive of these views. Helper201 (talk) 22:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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