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Requested move 26 September 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. I'm satisfied that this is a deliberate choice by the newspaper rather than diacritic edit warring. (see also: Talk:Les Echos (France)) (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 19:24, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Les Échos (Mali) → Les Echos (Mali) – The newspaper generally presents its name in both text and graphic as "Les Echos" rather than "Les Échos",[1] even if the latter would be the correct spelling in French. Both sources used in this article also show "Les Echos" (though note the general absence of special characters). It is furthermore found this way in Francophone institutional sites like [2]. Lordtobi (✉) 12:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose pending a better rationale. We don't really put much weight on how they style it. There is a style in French of omitting diacriticals from capital letters, but also a style of including them. The current style seems more "correct" as nom says, and more informative, and I wouldn't change it without a better rationale. Dicklyon (talk) 04:34, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dicklyon thanks for your input. This is a proper name that is not bound to French nominal spelling, and as far as I can see, the journal has never used the spelling "Les Échos". I see no point in using a name for an articles that does not match that of the article's subject. Lordtobi (✉) 12:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose again WP:FRMOS etc. This is a font stylism. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:52, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In ictu oculi, this is not a "font stylism"; it is used consistently throughout web and print, even where other words including "É" are present. Lordtobi (✉) 12:32, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is a font stylism used for capital É. This is a very frequent font issue in France. But with the font Wikipedia uses it is not an issue. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:41, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You did read my response, right? They purposely do not use the character in their name in places where the same character in the same casing is otherwise present. The logo is a custom font, everywhere else on the website, common free fonts are used. For example, the footer uses Open Sans; the É character is available in this font but is omitted on the website. Lordtobi (✉) 06:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - The same as at Talk:Les Échos (France), this seems to be an error rather than a styling issue. Again, the company homepage style it without a diacritic in both the logo and the "© LES ECHOS 2019. Tous droits réservés. Site réalisé par OXADEL" notice at the bottom of the page, and neither of the article's two sources use a diacritic either. — Amakuru (talk) 13:20, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Again this is É not small case é In ictu oculi (talk) 21:41, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Same as Talk:Les Échos (France), follow usage in sources per WP:COMMONNAME. --В²C ☎ 00:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is the style used by the entity. This is English Wikipedia, French grammar rules are for French Wikipedia. -- 67.70.33.184 (talk) 06:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"This is English Wikipedia, French grammar rules are for French Wikipedia." That really sums it up. However if the closing admin examins WP:FRMOS and the examples of the font problem illustrated on Talk:Les Échos (France) hopefully we can going back to the diacritics war of 2010. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:00, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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