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needs to conform to WP:BIO; WP:COI problems

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This article reads more like a self-promotion CV for Mr. Berger than a Wikipedia biographical article. It is even structured like a CV! Please check WP:NOT. No self-promotion is allowed here as per WP:BIO. If one looks at the name of the main editor of this article, there is an obvious NPOV conflict of interest as per WP:COI. Finally, the vast majority of archaeologist bios run much much shorter and conform to the idea that Wikipedia articles should be overviews and should avoid irrelevant text. Please check biographies such as Tim White and Erik Trinkaus for more appropriately written bios of an appropriate level of detail. Mumun 無文 17:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Mumun
If you will go back to the original discussions on this article you will see that we have discussed this matter in depth - the article did indeed derive from my CV - You will also note that the edits I have been performing have simply been in line with the comments of wikifying it (adding references in an appropriate manner etc.). I am eagerly awaiting an editor to work on this as was suggested, or I would be happy to do so if you would like to make suggestions. I would point out that the argument that others have short bios is probably more of a condemnation of the bio writing than the actual contributions - particularly of the two you mentioned.
Regards,
Profberger 05:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Took down the COI banner. I think the bibliography needs improvement -- the text mentions that Prof. Berger has publications related to his research in Nature and Science. These citations should be included since Professor Berger is an anthropologist and the bibliography should contain papers and books that are directly related to his research.Mumun 無文 17:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From my perspective, the article would benefit if we could spotlight the specific research accomplishments of Professor Berger rather than the awards. Are there any ways in which we could adjust the text or article structure so that such accomplishments could be highlighted a little more than now? It is not that awards are not important or less relevant, but Professor Berger's research has been profiled in media, where he has been characterised as a relatively young and promising scholar. I don't think awards should disappear, though (far from it -- there are some big awards here), but perhaps merit slightly less attention and could be further copy-edited.Mumun 無文 21:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edits of 10 September by Le Prof

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The edits done today were to move the article toward being encyclopedic, rather than being an article based in largest part from self-published material from the Professor's CV, drawn not from independent published biographical and scientific sources, but from his personal (not university or other official) web pages.

Note, little actual substantive content was changed, though, based on BLP criteria, much of the article could be removed as devotedly, perennially unsourced—which automatically makes it contentious in the view of many BLP editors.

Note, one edit performed was to remove part of a statement from the "Further reading" section:

It is entirely inappropriate to attempt to indicate sourcing, broadly in this way, and especially so from a self-published source.

In the course of the editing, two tags were added, then removed because the required edits were made that justified their removal — the URL-only and reference style tags. (All references that now appear are of a relatively uniform style, and are no longer URL-only, at all.)

The three major objections that remain are:

  • that vast swaths of this article are sourced only from Prof Berger's self-published CV;
  • scientific content is all but solely derived from lay sources (exceptions being a primary Berger source, and one News and Views article);
  • the tone of the article remains self-congratuatory, as if the editors (Users) Gladysvale and Lysine007, in addition to the identified Prof Berger (User:Profberger) do not understand the need for independence of viewpoint in these encyclopedia articles.

I would particular suggest that @Profberger: and his select colleagues—those too close to the title subject to be objective—post material to a new section in Talk, rather than edit the article. Otherwise, it will remain an embarrassment, rather than a good article candidate here.

Finally, I invite removal of the section tags, one by one, after each section is sourced and otherwise made encyclopedic, and removal of the article tags after all section tags have been removed as a result of improved article content.

Other editors concerned with misuse of BLP articles by individuals too close to the article subject have been notified of these changes.

Cheers, Le Prof (User:Leprof_7272) 71.201.62.200 (talk) 18:08, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I have added a section covering the publication of three new papers related to Homo naledi in the journal eLife, including some contextual info regarding Berger's public announcements and reactions, and the peer reviews which are made public in eLife peer review process. On the whole these reviewers were very critical, and the language of this section comes off similarly critical but to the best of my ability everything is properly cited and devoid of subjective language. I'd welcome any input if people have suggestions for improvement or new info regarding Berger's recent publications and related activities with Netflix and the like. Mausfield (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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