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French spelling of article name

Shouldn't this page be titled "Léonin" (with accent), to be consistent with French spelling as well as the Pérotin page?

Yes; thanks for catching it. I'll fix it. Antandrus (talk) 15:02, 13 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is Leonin a first or last name?

Ummm... If Leonin is a first name, what is his last (family) name? Also, if Leonin is a last name, what is his first name? --154.20.102.96 20:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think they had family names then (the article surname goes into some detail, but unfortunately not for names in French-speaking countries). As far as I know he was just Leonin, or sometimes Magister Leoninus (master Leonin) (modern equivalent "Leo", as far as I know). Antandrus (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's not much evidence or records of this guy other than the mention by Anonymous IV (and, of course, the music he wrote and left us), so nobody knows what his family name was, if indeed he had one. Sometimes people were named after the city from which they came, such as Leonardo da Vinci. His first name, though, appears to have been Léo, thus the Latin Leoninus (diminutive of Leo, thus "little Leo"). Doesn't the article explain this? Badagnani 21:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Include the spelling "Leonius" in article?

On one of my CDs I recently got, his name was spelled "Leonius". I only found this Wikipedia page after Googling "Leonius" and finding that it was one of four names associated with him (the other three - Léonin, Leo, and Leoninus are already in your article). Maybe including this alternate name would be helpful for people with no more to go on?

[By the way, the website I found through Google is: http://www.hoasm.org/IIC/Leonin.html Hope you find this helpful.]

Azaghal of Belegost 00:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The musicologist Craig Wright apparently thinks that the contemporary poet Leonius was the same as the Leoninus mentioned by Anonymous IV. But I guess that isn't proven. This controversy could of course be mentioned in the article. http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:PH-2boaqasEJ:www.oup.com/us/brochure/0195169794/samplechapter.pdf+leonius+medieval+music&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9 Badagnani 00:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's a good idea. For now I put in the other names (Grove mentions them as well: indeed, their article is under "Leoninus" rather than "Léonin", but I think Léonin is the most commonly used name nowadays). Antandrus (talk) 00:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly, Anonymous IV mentions L twice, once as Leoninus and once as Magister Leo. I think Leonin is fine for the title of the article. I would personally remove the accent mark from both Leonin and Perotin, but I just have a preference for Medieval spellings instead of modern wherever possible. (Zachara became Zácara at one conference and I was one of the "Remove the Accent!" crew). Oh, have you seen the "was Leonin gay?" article? -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 17:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone reading this is interested in Leonius, alleged inventor of Leonine verse and author of an Historia Sacra (maybe identical to the subject of this article, as Craig Wright may suggest, maybe not), please have a look at Talk:Leonine verse and see if you can help me with the difficulties I've raised there. Wareh 20:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image

User Narssarssuaq added this image to the article. It'd be really great if there were a picture of Leonin that existed, but there's no evidence given that this is a picture of the composer, and to the best of my knowledge there are no surviving images of Leoninus. N.B. that the descriptive text for the image says year 1000. Leonin was active after 1150. I'm not an art historian (just a lowly medieval musicologist) but the style of the image doesn't look right for 12th c. France either. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 23:13, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I admit that I simply searched for pictures at Wikimedia Commons, and added them without further ado, hoping that the information there would be accurate. Apparently, this was a mistake; it is great that you are knowledgable enough to be able to point this out. Narssarssuaq (talk) 19:13, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! and thanks for the contribution. It gave me an excuse to look over any new developments in the Leonin world. A lot of new possible biographical information coming out, but no images, sadly. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Followup, since the image came back, and I removed it again. I left a message on the talk page for the image on Commons. I wonder if the image may be the obscure third-century martyr Saint Leoninus. (Still digging through Google images in the hope I can find the actual source.) Antandrus (talk) 02:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The image is not Leonin. It is Yves de Chartres. Here is the primary source from which the image was clipped: http://initiale.irht.cnrs.fr/decors/decors.php?imageInd=2&id=71453 Antandrus (talk) 01:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Someday, you're going to have to let me in on the secret of how you know so much, Antandrus! :-) -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 00:44, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I took the liberty of adding this image to Ivo of Chartres :) --moogsi^(blah) 17:38, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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