Talk:Kirsan Ilyumzhinov

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Copy vio

Note: Copyrighted material from "The Sunday Times" article "A corrupt man in power (again)" 9 August 1998 placed here by User:219.111.198.133 has been removed. Seabhcán 13:38, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Source of wealth?

Other pages note that Kirsan is a millionaire. Anyone know the source of his wealth? --IanOsgood 15:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the "Planet Kirsan" article from the New Yorker. It says, " Ilyumzhinov profited greatly from the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Like many other ambitious biznesmeny who found themselves in Moscow in the early, lawless days of post-Soviet capitalism, he walked away with millions—nobody really knows how much—by, among other things, trading automobiles, and he has said that he owns a stake in fifty companies, including some banks."--Epeefleche 23:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is he a millionaire or a billionaire? (...and also: does Wikipedia assume US Dollars when using those terms or would Euros be appropriate in the case of Kirsan?) The reason why I ask is that I've read news reports that declare that he is a billionaire. However, I attribute most of the articles on the man to speculation and sensationalism. It may require some really dedicated journalists investigate this man before much more can be definitively said about him. Daniel Freeman (talk) 21:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Building a Catholic Church

"He has spent millions of dollars on chess and religion, building a Catholic church at the instigation of the Pope John Paul II."

What utter nonsense. An old house in a slum neighborhood was converted into a Catholic Church.

"He has also built a mosque, a synagogue, 22 Orthodox churches, and 30 Buddhist temples. Chess was made a compulsory subject in schools; the region now has numerous champions."

Does anyone have a link? --Northside 732 18:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just try googling it -- have you done that to no avail? Many references, at least one from an interview. Or check the external links in the article. One starting point, for example, is [1]. --Epeefleche 23:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need to google. Most of those articles, which have a sensationalist slant, were written by journalists who've never been to the Republic of Kalmykia. I've visited the region on several occassions. I've seen firsthand the Catholic church as well as some of the other churches built with government funds. Many of those church buildings cost less to build than, for example, a single-family house in the northeast corridor of the United States.--Northside 732 16:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hear you. But Wiki policy asks us to focus on what we can support with citations to sources such as these. Rather than personal research or knowledge. If you can find appropriate sources that state what you know to be the case, please feel free to add them to the article as well.--Epeefleche 16:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wha?

Far down in the article, the following sentence: "Since Karpov had an unsuccessful year, apart from his match against Anand, and he was unable to resist the plan that he would have to enter this knockout, whenever it came to be organized, at a far earlier stage." I've read this sentence six times. I still don't understand it. Is it saying, "Apart from his match with Anand, Karpov had an unsuccessful year. Karpov was thus unable to resist the plan for a knockout to occur, either sooner or later." ?

Anyone familiar with what this paragraph is saying want to take a stab at a rewrite? And, while at it, clean up that the article states Karpov is both a supporter and a critic of Ilyumzhinov? 98.228.92.5 (talk) 02:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Karpov has been a long time supporter of Ilyumzhinov, I remember many occasions in which he has stated his dislike of many things in FIDE, and now has stood for president against Ilyumzhinov, calling it necessary to restore order. 82.45.40.4 (talk) 00:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of UFO abduction

I find it difficult to believe there's no information about his alleged UFO abduction in 1997. He claims that in that year he was abducted by UFOs and that he was given a tour of his spaceship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.190.254.108 (talk) 13:01, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I was looking up this myself Gsoler (talk) 08:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is still there, but I removed it out of the summary into the section Personal Life, because he is famous for Fide and Kalmykia presidencies. Andries (talk) 08:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is this advertising?

Reading the first time about this guy and his "republic" (well.. at least formally), looks like this page is written like an advertising.. no critiques.. it would be nice to analyse the revision log ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.22.90.223 (talk) 09:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tend to agree. At least it raises some questions Gsoler (talk) 08:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've heard in the chess community, he is very controversial, but there are no reliable sources (cannot cite rumors). He allegedly won the last FIDE elections thanks to favors for delegates from third countries and establishing new chess federations only to support him. Plus: "He now owns a private jet and six Rolls Royces; he has a black limousine in Moscow, but prefers his white one at home." Is this really the kind of information to be displayed on Wikipedia? Drabek (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is heavily biased and needs peer review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.98.70.141 (talk) 16:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

This article needs a criticism section. Just Kasparov's views of Ilyumzhinov would cover a lot of space, let alone those from other sources. Toccata quarta (talk) 09:35, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Benjamin (talk) 03:33, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kalmykian champion at 14?

Der Spiegel is a good source but it's a general news source like Time, not a specialist chess source, and like all non-specialist sources it is prone to error when it reports on specialist topics. I haven't seen any reference to Ilyumzhinov being Kalmykian champion in any specialist chess source, except those written by Ilyumzhinov himself. I have found only one game he is alleged to have played (and that was a loss); I haven't found him in any tournament tables etc. Basically there's no evidence except Ilyumzhinov's own words that he is any kind of chess player. MaxBrowne (talk) 02:45, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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