Talk:King & Queen

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Date	Process	Result
July 31, 2012	Good article nominee	Not listed
December 21, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 24, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Otis Redding and Carla Thomas album King & Queen was Redding's first duet album, and the last studio album he recorded before his death?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:King & Queen/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Status (talk · contribs) 19:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

King & Queen, released in 1967 by Stax Records, is a duets album by Otis Redding and Carla Thomas, two of the label's most successful artists. --> Odd wording. How about something like: King & Queen is a studio album by American recording artists Otis Redding and Carla Thomas. It was released on March 16, 1967 by Stax Records.

Done

The LP was Redding's sixth album, and Thomas's fourth, and the final studio album released by Redding before his death. --> The album is Redding's sixth album and Thomas's fourth, and the final studio album released by Redding before his death on December 10, 1967.

Done

Marvin Gaye --> link

Done

Following Redding's death in December 1967, the single "Lovey Dovey" was also released. --> Released as what?

What do you mean?

The original LP's --> album's

Not sure why this needs a change, but done

Don't see a reason the lead should have two paragraphs; they could all fit in one.

I also don't see a reason why it should be one paragraph. Two paragraphs are better for clarity.--GoP _T ^C _N 10:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording

Who exactly is Jim Stewart?

Added he was the producer

Release

Six out of eleven songs were cut during their session; the rest were overdubbed by Redding in the following days owing to their concert obligations. --> Unsourced, and what does this have to do with the album's release?

Moved to recording section; it is actually sourced

Seems more appropriately entitled "release and promotion", as there's info about singles here.

How is this promotion?

Reception

King & Queen was given a positive critical reception by reviewers. --> King & Queen received generally positive acclaim from music critics.

Ok, done. But I am not sure about "positive acclaim"? Acclaim is always positive

Jason Ankeny from Allmusic --> Jason Ankeny of Allmusic

Done

Personnel

Source shouldn't be an external link.

This is better as placing the same ref all the time

I'm not understanding what you mean. Statυs (talk) 03:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Charts

Unsourced.

Added

Billboard --> US Billboard

Disagree. It is known that Billboard is the US chart, and it charted only there

R&B chart --> Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs

The current is better because of consistency

Pop chart --> Billboard Hot 100

Ditto

Pop chart (in albums) --> US Billboard 200

Ditto.

R&B chart (in albums) --> US Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums

Ditto

They are different charts, and should be done correctly. There is no such thing as the "Pop chart" and "Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs" and "Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums" are to different things. Statυs (talk) 03:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Question: As this album was released in 1967, there was no "hip-hop" chart then nor was there a Billboard 200. If you're going to use the actual name of the charts, shouldn't it be the name of the charts as they were named then? --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 22:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

2 uncatgorized redirects
Allmusic is not a magazine, and should not be in italics. Publisher is also missing; Rovi Corporation

I deitalicized Allmusic. The publisher is actually not missing

Ref 3 --> work is BBC Music, publisher is BBC

Ok, done.

I'm sorry, but since you have failed to fix the remaining issues that are on the article, I cannot pass this article. I have left you a few notifications on your talk page asking the issues to be fixed, and they haven't been. The last one I stated that I would have to fail the article if they weren't fixed. Statυs (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:King & Queen/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: James086 (talk · contribs) 22:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The second sentence in the lead section is hard to read. So as to group the artists together, instead of saying Redding→Thomas→Redding, perhaps it should read: "It is Thomas's fourth album and Thomas's sixth and the final studio album released before his death on December 10, 1967."

Done--Tomcat (7) 11:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 3 (BBC review) doesn't say anything about Redding co-writing "Ooh Carla, Ooh Otis". Also, who else wrote it?

Replaced--Tomcat (7) 11:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the release section, I think it should say "eight on the R&B chart and number thirty on the ~~Pop charts~~ Hot 100". Bold to indicated added text.

Pop chart is sometimes used as a synonym for Hot 100, but netherless replaced--Tomcat (7) 11:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the Charts section under Album it says "Pop chart" but shouldn't it be "Top LPs" as per the chart's name at the time? The same applies to the "R&B chart" should be "Hot R&B LPs" or even "Top Black Albums", also the link should probably point to Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums.

Done--Tomcat (7) 11:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the Singles "R&B chart" should be "Hot Rhythm & Blues Singles" and "Pop chart" should be "Billboard Hot 100".

Done--Tomcat (7) 11:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could the release and the reception sections be combined into one "Release and reception"?

Merged--Tomcat (7) 11:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"King & Queen received generally positive acclaim..." - You can't receive negative acclaim, perhaps "King & Queen was generally positively received.."

Done--Tomcat (7) 11:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I look forward to seeing these addressed. James086 ^Talk 22:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One last thing I just noticed, the second last sentence of "Background and Recording" begins with the word "It", I assume this means the album? Just a little unclear if it refers to the album or just one song. Perhaps it could say it which tracks feature which artists. Good work, I've passed it as I think it meets the criteria anyway. James086 ^Talk 20:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who was the producer?

There are four producers listed, but I'm not seeing any citation that this was a four-producer collaboration or that some people produced some tracks and others produced other tracks. All this would be unlikely at that point in time. Most likely, the founder of Stax, Jim Stewart was the sole producer. Don't have the record and can't find a definitive source for production credit. Any help appreciated. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 02:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source indicates that Jim Stewart was the producer, and makes no mention of co-producers. Article edited to reflect that. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]