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Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021

the background chapter seems not related. thanks 36.90.62.235 (talk) 04:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firefangledfeathers (talk • contribs) 04:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Name

Name is Dante. Shouldn't dishonor the dead by misspelling his name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:1003:A400:7161:8440:C074:22CF (talk) 07:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

The medical examiner calls him Daunte Demetris Wright,[1] in addition to all reliable sources. The only exception is the Hill which includes a Tweet from a third party who calls Wright "Dante."[2]. Solipsism 101 (talk) 12:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021 (2)

109.149.238.93 (talk) 17:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Daunte Wright had an outstanding warrant for gross misdemeanor carrying a pistol without permit and misdemeanor fleeing police. The warrant issued April 2nd after he failed to appear for court.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, this information is pretty substantively covered already, see Killing of Daunte Wright#Participants. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Video

Hey, friends. So, we have this video in the External links section. The video does indeed show what it is supposed to, but we need to find a better one. This one must be a screen recording, because there is a notification sound, followed by a menu popup which is clicked to mute a Facebook conversation or something, and it also ends with the VLC logo and a man saying "Can you turn the lights back on, please." If anyone can link to a better video, that would be great. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 21:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

That's the only publicly available version of the video that I've seen. If you have access to a better version, then add it. Moncrief (talk) 22:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
EDG 543, Moncrief, In this heartbreaking & explicit video, the female officer's voice is clearly heard, as is the road noise of passing vehicles. But I don't hear a loud report from her pistol. Are officer's weapons generally equipped with silencers, or is the lack of a loud report an artifact of the body cam recording? I am fully in support of this external link, but curious about the "sound". Perhaps there is a problem with my iPad's sound reproduction? Thanks, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 02:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I've updated the video. Let me know if you have trouble with the start time. Comm260 ncu (talk) 17:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

/* Background */ This entire section is completely editorial. Is it supposed to be factually informative or opinion?

What does the Derek Chauvin trial and George Floyd have to do with this incident? This is very simple, it should not be part of this wiki page. Chauvin / Floyd is a completely legitimate subject, just not here. Where does it end on what should be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douggmc (talk • contribs) 18:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this discussion to the talk page. Please don't continue removing content until there's consensus. I disagree that the background info should be removed. My reasoning is capture in my statement, and those of others, in this section above. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I disagree with the removal of this section. It is not intended to express any opinion, but rather convey to readers the context of this incident as discussed by reliable sources. Almost all reliable sources that have discussed this incident have mentioned the position of this incident in the broader context of the trial of Derek Chauvin. See Fox News, Star Tribune, New York Times, WaPo. Frankly, in my view, the relevance to the subject of this article could not be clearer. Mz7 (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
There is no consensus to unilaterally remove mention of the Chauvin trial or George Floyd's death. This has been, or is being, discussed above, and the reasons for inclusion have been provided there. We can escalate this to Requests for Comment if needed. Moncrief (talk) 19:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Relation to George Floyd incident

(courtesy pinging @Magnolia677 and Minnemeeples:) It has been added (and subsequently removed) a number of times 1) the close proximity of this shooting and the scene of the George Floyd incident and 2) the fact that it is happening during the ongoing trial. So, let's discuss. Are either of these worth mentioning in the article? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 15:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes! Reputable sources have covered that aspect. There is a reason this incident has provoked a strong reaction and such interest in the media. You can't tell the story of this incident without connecting it to broader unrest in the region and the circumstances. This incident didn't happen in isolation. Minnemeeples (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
It's a coatrack. Keep it out. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Not a coatrack. Not every traffic stop shooting ends with major protests and unrest. Ongoing events in the area are crucial context. Are there reliable sources that don't mention this info? Firefangledfeathers (talk) 15:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Events don't exist in a vacuum. This is very much not a coatrack. Context for events is important when relevant, as this is. This shooting came up in lawyer deliberations at the beginning of the day's proceedings of the Chauvin trial on April 12 -- the defense requested that the Chauvin jury be immediately sequestered 100% due to Wright's killing -- if you need a NPOV point of reference. Moncrief (talk) 22:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Not a coatrack. Keep it in. Kire1975 (talk) 06:16, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Keep only things that RS say are relevant with respect to the killing and its immediate aftermath. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

"Negligent Discharge", not "Accidental Discharge"

The characterizing of the killing as "accidental" or the discharge of the weapon as "accidental" should not be used. "Negligent" or its grammatical permutations should be used in its place. As an example, the officer "negligently discharged" her firearm. Douggmc (talk) 20:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Which RS refer to this as negligence? We must be judicious in the word choice as "negligent" or "reckless" imply criminal liability in this case. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Douggmc, as stated above, we would need to see a number of reliable sources referring to the shooting as such before we make that change. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 21:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Could also Mention this kid that was shot https://www.startribune.com/authorities-identify-man-shot-and-killed-by-brooklyn-center-police/559357722/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:6600:13:65F9:21D0:2127:ED8D (talk) 16:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I believe these incidents are entirely unrelated. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 17:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
The sources is from September 2019 and does not discuss the context of Daunte Wright. It would be original research / synthesis to string the two together. Minnemeeples (talk) 17:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
If nothing else, should be added to List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, September 2019. Tvc 15 (talk) 21:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

black/Black

Recent consensus at the Manual of Style (MOS:PEOPLANG) suggests that either the lowercase "black" or the capitalized "Black" may be used, as long as we're consistent. Would anyone object to using capitalized ethno-racial color labels on this page moving forward? This would mean changing all current uses (except in quotes) to "Black" and using "White" if it ever comes up. Most of our current sources are using the capitalized form. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Firefangledfeathers, I have no objection. I'm not sure which is "politically correct" but, being both B/black and W/white myself, I don't see why some make it a into big deal honestly. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 19:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers, I just took a look at some high profile articles for examples and discovered that the article Killing of George Floyd uses lowercase while the article George Floyd uses capital, so there is apparently no consistency. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 19:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
The MOS advice is relatively recent. There is no expectation currently that there be consistency on Wikipedia, just on individual pages. Since this page is new, now's a good time to settle on an option. There's already been some back-and-forth editing, so I figured we should talk about it. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 19:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
The capitalization of "Black" has become VERY prevalent as the journalistic norm in the US in the past year (the incredibly rapid pace of the change is similar to the fast pace with which the term "Negro" was abandoned for "black" circa 1969), so it seems that Wikipedia should follow suit. If you're looking for a reason to adopt this standard, one factor: direct quotes from tweets all have "Black" uppercased, and direct quotes of course cannot be fiddled with. Moncrief (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I agree! Minnemeeples, it would be great to have your thoughts. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I support the consensus to use "Black" and "White" in this article. Thanks for clarifying that. I prefer that Wikipedia use the Associated Press style though for Black and white people, respectively (but that is a separate debate across all of Wikipedia). Minnemeeples (talk) 20:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I support the use of Associated Press style for Black and white people. Tvc 15 (talk) 21:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
On the basis of tweets setting an unfiddlable precedent in this article, aye on Black and White people. But the victim's car is still white. And if it needs to be said, the killer's gun is black. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021 (3)

Include details of Mr Wright's criminal convictions and his outstanding arrest warrants. 92.233.186.120 (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please see also the "Participants" section of this article. Mz7 (talk) 19:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Absolutely not. Wikipedia is not a place to try to smear a person. Any alleged criminal convictions have nothing to do with this ostensibly accidental killing. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
The nature of the arrest warrant(s) seems pertinent, not to smear, but since it lead to the deadly attempted arrest. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Not to be pedantic, but a "criminal conviction" is not "alleged" ... by definition. As for the reasons why the officers were attempting to place him under arrest when the negligent discharge of the firearm took place , I think it is entirely pertinent and only a "smear" based on your feelings, not FACT. Douggmc (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Okay, I was wrong. They were indeed arresting him for an outstanding bench warrant for failure to appear in court. He was not guilty of those alleged crimes. I heard he'd in the past plead guilty to something done as a minor, but it wasn't a criminal conviction. EvergreenFir (talk) 01:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Kim or Kimberly Potter

Correct name according to various outlets:

--78.54.164.58 (talk) 12:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Read hypocorism. WWGB (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Read MOS:HYPOCORISM. 78.54.164.58 (talk) 12:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@Biblib: Thank you! [3] :-) --78.54.164.58 (talk) 18:02, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Wright's Race

Wright's mother is White. Isn't it more accurate to describe him as biracial that as African-American or Black? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:30C:1B00:40AD:7043:1E69:CB40 (talk) 14:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Would you object to me moving your comment up to join the ongoing discussion about race in the section above? It's this one. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Edited to add: I read your question again -- and, no, it's not appropriate for us to make edits that aren't consistent with WP:RS. My original comment --> I don't see any issue with mentioning his mother is White, as long as you cite a reliable source. RS describe Wright himself as Black, so I wouldn't change that, but if RS consider it relevant that his mom is White and you actually add a cite, then add it to the article. If you get pushback after adding it properly with a cite, discuss it then. Moncrief (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Copyedit of Traffic stop section

@Linguist111: I've reverted two of your edits to the "Traffic stop" section that you used a "ce" edit summary with because they seem to have actually removed a nontrivial amount of detail from the article without sufficient explanation. In the most recent edit, the line that said At the time of the shooting, Potter was field training another officer. was inexplicably removed, as well as the line Potter was holding the firearm for at least seven seconds before discharging it. Additionally, the line that said, Wright struggled with the officers, broke free, and got back behind the wheel of his vehicle. Potter said, "I'll tase you", and then yelled, "Taser! Taser! Taser!" was changed to Wright resisted arrest, broke free from the arresting officer's grasp, and sat back down in the car. Potter took out her firearm, warned Wright that she would tase him, pointed it at him as she shouted "Taser! Taser! Taser!", and shot him. "Resisting arrest" is a rather vague term that may imply a specific criminal charge, so I feel that the former wording was better from a copyediting standpoint. Additionally, I'm not sure why it's better to paraphrase the quote "I'll tase you". Mz7 (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

To add to this, there are a number of other issues with the copyedit as well. The first paragraph was edited to say that Potter and two other Brooklyn Center police officers pulled over Wright, .... However, it is not clear from the sources whether Potter and two other officers initiated the traffic stop from the very beginning, or whether it was just one or two of the two officers that initiated the stop, and then another later joined the traffic stop as backup. Also, it's not clear from the sources what the timing of when Potter drew her weapon was—before or after "I'll tase you"—the copyedit seems to imply that it was before. Mz7 (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2021

Daunte Wright was shot after he tried to flee the crime. The officer mistook a taser for a gun and discharged a single shot after Mr.Wright was already attempting to flee the scene. 2600:8800:6A07:8500:8055:D1B8:5C9D:9A41 (talk) 14:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 14:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

The article currently reads "After being shot, Wright attempted to flee but crashed his vehicle into another and hit a cement barrier. He was pronounced dead at the scene.[6]" He was shot AFTER attempting to flee. It's backwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobylewisii (talk • contribs) 19:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Reworded it to: After a brief struggle with officers, Wright was shot, and then attempted to flee but... What he was doing is speculative, but source report there was a struggle with officers, it didn't indicate that the struggle was him trying to flee or not. It doesn't say he actually fled until after he was shot. WikiVirusC(talk) 21:53, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Killing?

Why is this marked as a killing? Obviously the police officer was negligent but Wright resisted arrest, the police officer didn't intend on killing him nor did she shoot him for no reason.

~~Omir Laa~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omir Laa (talk • contribs) 06:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, I think you've already answered your own question by the way you worded it. The officer may not have intended to kill him, but she did kill him, hence it is a "killing". A medical examiner determined the manner of death to be homicide. [4] Mz7 (talk) 07:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Killing is a pretty neutral word, far more neutral than murder. Clearly Wright was killed. The word means only a death caused by another person, which is inarguably an accurate representation of the facts here. Moncrief (talk) 16:41, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Most discussion on this topic interchanges the concepts of being “killed” and “the killing of” as the same thing. But they are different. It would seem “the killing of” implies much more in terms of intent or culpability, than being "killed". As a thought experiment to highlight this, if I title an article/webpage/blog “the killing of the cat”, my family would surely initially conclude “what the hell have you done?!” and likely assume I purposefully killed the cat (or wanted the cat killed). As opposed to using the other less implicating versions like “the cat was killed” or “the death of the cat”. Additionally, most dictionaries include further qualifications in their definitions of “killing” with things like “especially deliberately”, “the act of” , “causing”, “caused by”, etc., all seeming to imply more than is warranted before a thorough determination is made in a legal proceeding. Wikipedian’s first instincts with the myriad of other similar articles titled “the death of” seems more objective and correct than this latest trend of implying intent in the title. Even when it might seem obvious. Digihoe (talk) 22:03, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Correct grammar in Mr. Wright's bio

The sentence "He was a father a young child" is ungrammatical. It could be rewritten as "He was the father of a young child." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahenke (talk • contribs) 22:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

 Already done Looks like you were able to make this edit yourself. [5] Mz7 (talk) 23:45, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Race of victim

I can't believe I even need to make this section, but here are the RS for calling Wright "Black", including the medical examiner's report:

EvergreenFir (talk) 19:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Media outlets or government authority (medical examiner) calling Mr. Wright "Black", does not make it accurate and/or factually correct. Douggmc (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Sounds as though people are questioning why he is called Black when his father is Black and his mother is either biracial, white or Native or Hispanic. Although images of her lead some to say she is of European ancestry, has anything been published about her ethnic or racial background? She could also be biracial and identify as Black or she could be Native—images don't give the entire picture here. Regardless, EvergreenFir's links do good, and I do think it is important allow biracial people the ability to self identify with their preference (as a fictional/cultural reference, see "The Vanishing Half"). Douggmc, if Daunte did prefer to be identified as "biracial" or "white" it is likely that the family would be referring to him as such in news interviews. If they do, the article can be adapted. Comm260 ncu (talk) 20:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
"..important to allow biracial people .. to self identify". Who are you to say he is biracial? Do you know his ethnic makeup? The reference to it in this wiki should either be NOT made at all or accurately made. He is "a man" or a "mixed-race" man. I think you all need to step back and realize that there is a thing as being too woke. 104.52.83.1 (talk) 20:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC) <--- edit by me, just wasn't logged in Douggmc (talk) 20:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Personal assessments or opinions on media's erasure of bi racial folks amount to WP:OR. We can change the category iff RS issue a correction or begin changing their terminology. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Use accurate terminology, or don't use it at all. Douggmc (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia relies on reliable sources. You're relying on your own opinion of what's accurate. Moncrief (talk) 20:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I hear you and understand the argument. I'm saying "reliable sources" are subjective ... and absent FACT, the default should be no reference to race at all. I'll stop comment for now, it has run its course from standpoint. Shameful inaccurate edits remain without consensus. Douggmc (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't see any way to adequately discuss this story without mentioning race, since racial overtones are integral to the reaction to Wright's death. Editors are not meant to decide whether widely reported information across all RS are overly "subjective" or not. Thank you for understanding. Moncrief (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I know I said I'd stop debating on this topic, but I can't let this slide. " .. since racial overtones are integral to the REACTION to Wright's death". You've proved my point. REACTION to the death is a different subject matter than the incident itself and there is no indication that race or "racial overtones" had anything to do with it. Douggmc (talk) 21:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
We aren't the judge nor the jury. It is so not within our scope to figure out what caused the incident beyond what's reported in RS. Our purpose is to describe the full series of events neutrally, relying on RS. This article doesn't say that Wright's race caused the officer to act the way she did -- obviously only she knows whether or not it had any bearing -- but Wright's race is relevant because (a) it's mentioned in all RS; (b) it's relevant to the overall scope of events described in this article, which indeed include the various reactions to his death, and the aftermath/unrest. Moncrief (talk) 22:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
As a former white kid raised by red mothers, I go by a colour wheel, and he looks blacker than red, white or yellow to me (RS guidance notwithstanding). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:42, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
InedibleHulk, I dunno, his skin tone is a bit lighter than my own, and I'm mixed myself, so I definitely wouldn't be surprised if he were half white.
And, to chime in on this discussion as a whole, (directed at everyone) our wide range of opinions, while quite beneficial to the project, are irrelevant when every reliable source refutes them. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 21:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
I will, of course, defer to RS. If shades of grey are said to exist, so be it here. But on the Algonquin colour wheel, just FYI, there are no gradients, degrees or half-steps; four races, like four directions and four sacred medicines. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:40, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
InedibleHulk, very interesting; I didn't know that. Learn something new every day, I suppose. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 00:37, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
You're welcome. To be clear, these are not rigid unbreakable laws or anything. I'm not a fundamentalist, and am actually OK with mulattos, Metis or whatever you get when you cross an Arab and a Latina, as people and concepts. As an example of how open to different labels, manifestations and interpretations this overall belief system can be, see Wikipedia's article entitled Medicine wheel. The core spirit is immutably strong and perseverant, but can adapt to pretty much anything. Jeet Kune Do students might recognize this base element as "water". Long story short, if you're black and white, facing north and west, or take aspirin and ibuprofen for headaches, I totally get how you're certainly not wrong. Context is key, in any decision, not merely intuition, tradition or superstition. Peace! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
These might be useful links for you to peruse: WP:NOTESSAY, WP:NOTOPINION, WP:VERIFY, and WP:RS. Moncrief (talk) 00:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021

This is a law suit waiting to happen. This is inaccurate and inappropriate to have a Wikipedia page already when people are still trying to unravel the truth. The legitimacy of that warrant is hugely under question, as well as various other details. I’ve donated money to you guys before, if you don’t fix this I won’t ever donate to you again. Because I don’t want my money wasted on bias non fact based opinions by right wing media. I’m also not donating for you guys to deal with legal battles. Ridiculous. 2604:3D09:697E:9A70:1D8D:251C:7D87:3198 (talk) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Who is "you guys"? You know we're all volunteers, right? No one editing here is receiving any of your donations. Moncrief (talk) 04:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Obama

The statement from Obama is repeated ~2 sentences after it is initially stated. The article should pick one place and cover it there; since Obama is no longer an official, I'd suggest the statement in the celebrities and public figures section be retained.71.32.136.237 (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I removed the first instance and left the one in the Celebrities and Public Figures section. Doctormatt (talk) 19:01, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm here because of the google search I made. When I googled the killing of Daunte Wright, I noticed that Google infobox contained details the infobox refrenced in this Wikipedia article instead of the head information. Whoa, Holy Smokes. Xfhxzf (talk) April 15, 2021, 19:55 (MST)

I noticed that too when I searched the article. May have something to do with the headers in the page source. I will review the page and try to correct it. Octoberwoodland (talk) 02:20, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Daunte's name?

Given this page is going to end up pretty high on search engines when people look for information on Daunte Wright, could we include a pronunciation for his name? It's not exactly intuitive if you haven't heard it spoken out loud. 2A02:C7F:6C58:7A00:25A5:B4FC:A322:5169 (talk) 13:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Confusion regarding the arrest warrants

This article is a little confusing at the moment regarding which specific arrest warrant the officers were executing during the incident. The "Participants" section notes that Wright had a misdemeanor warrant, citing this Snopes article, while the lead states that the incident was an attempted arrest for outstanding felony warrants, and the "Traffic stop" section states Officers ran Wright's name through a police database and learned that he had an open arrest warrant stemming from pending charges for first-degree felony aggravated robbery with a firearm. The latter felony warrant information cites this Fox News article, which merely states that Wright had an arrest warrant "related to an aggravated armed robbery attempt" (the article does not explicitly mention this is a felony). The Fox News article goes on to clarify that "Police then tried to arrest him on an outstanding warrant after failing to appear in court on charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police in June". It is therefore not clear to me whether the police officers arresting Wright were even aware of the felony arrest warrant at the time. I'm going to edit the article shortly to make this clear. The current lead wording is also problematic even if the officers knew about the felony warrant, because it implies multiple felony warrants. Mz7 (talk) 07:05, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I submitted this edit to help clarify things. I'm aware that in doing so I removed all mention of the aggravated robbery charge—I was hesitant to add it back, e.g. in the "Participants" section, because I also found this conflicting Snopes fact check which states that "No evidence showed Wright was 'on the run' and attempting to evade law enforcement in the days, weeks, or months before his death." It is getting late in the night for me, so I'll leave this to another editor to sort out. Mz7 (talk) 07:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

thanks @Mz7:. The article seems to be in better shape now. I think there has indeed been a fair amount of confusion recently about the precise nature of the warrant that prompted the arrest attempt. In addition to the clarifying Snopes article you mentioned, another helpful explication, posted yesterday, is at https://www.insider.com/daunte-wright-details-of-charges-warrants-before-killed-by-police-2021-4 Biblib (talk) 20:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Not certain we should be whitewashing the article to portray Daunte Wright as some poor innocent victim of excessive police force by censoring his criminal past. This person was known for committing violent felonies (1st degree aggravated robbery) and the article should reflect that and I concede that we should also follow WP:BDP as far as what we can write about. The similarity between these person and George Floyd is quite amazing. In this case as in Floyd's case, both individuals had extensive criminal records for violent felonies and behavior. We don't really know from the sources and articles if the police were aware of the felony charges against him, but it's pretty obvious that most modern police have access to the nationwide warrant system online, and it's highly likely his pending cases and a standing bench warrant were available to the officers. It's pretty simple if you resist police officers making an arrest, then get into your vehicle and flee there is a possibility they may just shoot you. A car can be used as a dangerous weapon and police need to control that kind of situation. I agree with @Mz7: that information about the police stop and arrest needs to rigorously follow sources, but I think we can also write about his pending charges for aggravated robbery and the underlying facts. Wikipedia should not be a platform for suppressing unflattering content that is relevant to the matter and the article. For the article to be complete and accurate we should include all relevant and notable information from the sources. I don't think we should participate in painting Daunte Wright as some poor innocent black person who was the victim of racial profiling. It's clear from the record this individual was a violent felon who resisted arrest then jumped into a speeding car and tried to escape the officers. Octoberwoodland (talk) 22:33, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
I went ahead and been bold and added the content to the section dedicated to Daunte Wright. Octoberwoodland (talk) 00:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
@Octoberwoodland: you raise some points that are interesting and over which reasonable people could disagree. I'm troubled though by the multiple misstatements of fact and speculation that ground much of your statement above. First, two quick factual points, at least as far as I understand what's been reported so far: regarding your last assertion ("it's clear from the record..."), Wright got into a *stationary* car -- it was not in motion, much less speeding. This *may* be a relatively minor point, but I hope you will agree that while precision is always important on Wikipedia, that is never more true than in articles about contentious, rapidly-evolving issues with national implications. Second, you repeatedly refer to Wright as a violent felon, or having committed violent felonies. From what I understand of the late-2019 incident in his past, the allegation of aggravated robbery is indeed a serious one -- but *emphasis* on the *allegation* part. You seem to be attuned to legal and/or law enforcement matters, and so I urge you to remember that Wright, just like any other person in the United States, enjoys the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise. Lastly, I hope you'll also agree that however it's sliced, what happened was a tragedy for all concerned, and everyone is trying to understand how on earth it happened. Since only selected fragments of information have emerged publicly so far, there's still a lot we don't know, and it's important to resist the (natural) urge to speculate. Specifically, you reasonably speculate that during the traffic stop Potter and her then colleagues *may* have been aware of the felony charges against Wright -- but we don't know that, and in the absence of that information it's not reasonable to make conclusions about Potter's behavior based on that speculation. Biblib (talk) 02:25, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
WP:BLPCRIME does not apply to dead people. See WP:BDP. Also, Wikipedia is not a criminal court, it does not adjudicate cases, there is no "right" to due process on Wikipedia, we just report what reliable sources state based on relevance and accuracy of content and Wikipedia policies. Reliable sources (several) discuss the charges against him. I state in the section the charges are "alleged". The article and sources state Wright got into his car and sped away -- the car was not motionless. It's very hard for a police officer to know for certain what to do in a situation like the one described in the article, and hindsight is always 20/20. They were dealing with a suspect wanted on firearms violations, bail violations, and outstanding felony charges (sources or not, the NCIC is available to all police -- they knew he had charges pending). Also Wikipedia is not to be used as a memorial for Daunte Wright to promote "Black Lives Matter" riots and protests, or any other political or social movement, or foster any bias for or against the police. I do agree that it's tragic that a 20 year old man died because 1) He liked to play with guns 2) he failed to comply with the laws regarding guns 3) He resisted police then evaded them (twice based on the sources, he was previously wanted for illegal firearms possession for an previous incident where he fled and successfully evaded the police) 4) He allegedly robbed a woman after assaulting and choking her. It is sad when someone loses their life but this person did it to themselves. It's never good idea to resist police then flee. None of what I typed here is "speculation" it's all based on the sources in that article. I suggest you read through these sources. Octoberwoodland (talk) 02:53, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
BLPCRIME does indeed apply to recently dead people. Alleged crimes are tangentially related to the topic of this article; remember this is not a biography page. Do not use this talk page to tell us your opinion on "why he died" beyond what RS say happened about his killing. Don't try to paint the victim as a "bad person" (or an angel for that matter). EvergreenFir (talk) 19:35, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2021

Daunte is bi-racial and to discount his white heritage is not only irresponsible but reprehensible. I believe the mis representation of his proper heritage is an attempt to stoke racial hatred. Do better be better 70.21.183.78 (talk) 11:29, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Reliable sources identify Wright as Black, therefore so do we. WWGB (talk) 11:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
If you are half-Black, you are Black in the USA. That's the Obama rule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.221.214.154 (talk • contribs)

Page for Daunte Wright

How long should we with before creating a page for Daunte Wright that isn't a redirect to this article? In George Floyd's case, it was about two weeks or so. The consensus was that he was notable for more than just his death. Comm260 ncu (talk) 17:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Until there is a point where sources indicate that he is notable more than just his death which may or may not happen. Probably a split discussion on this talk page can determine a consensus before a new page is created. Maybe can start that discussion in a week or so if editors feel it should be considered. WikiVirusC(talk) 17:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
DW is nowhere near important enough for that. GF posthumously has millions of fans who, though they hadn't known or even heard of him during his lifetime, demonstrated (& in some cases rioted) across the world in his name. He has places named after him. Jim Michael (talk) 09:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
We do not need an article for every person killed by police. This has nowhere near the impact that Floyd’s death did. Wikipedia is not a memorial service. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 00:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
If you think it should exist now, WP:BEBOLD. Other editors may take it to WP:AFD, though. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:32, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
The main article could eventually just be Daunte Wright and Killing of Daunte Wright could redirect there. (Similar to Emmett Till and Death of Emmett Till). But that depends on the lasting cultural legacy of Wright's death, for example, if significant police reform legislation is in his name, if streets are named after him, docu-series produced, etc. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Phone call

In the phone call section, due to its wording and omission of information, it gives a biased and not factual opinion. We should include that he was not pulled over for an air freshener. He was stopped for expired plates, and officers responding soon realized who he was because a warrant was issued for his arrest after he missed a court appearance for aggravated robbery. Sqorg (talk) 11:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

The phone call has been moved to the Reactions -> Family section to give it the proper context. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Officer replying to Potter, "Oh wow." Potter replying back, "Yes!"

WWGB removed additional dialogue between Potter and other officers captured on the body camera footage. I believe it is relevant context. After Potter said, "Oh, shit! I shot him," another officer replied back to Potter. He said, "Oh wow."[6] Potter replied back, "Yes!"[7] The latter part of the dialogue is necessary to understand the context of Potter's reaction. Potter said that initial expression of astonishment directly to other officers on the scene, one of whom replied back with an expression of astonishment, too, and Potter reacted affirmatively to it. Some sources describe this dialogue as Potter appearing stunned or surprised. Potter was charged with with second-degree manslaughter, but many people protesting Wright's death believe Potter knowingly fired her gun intentionally to kill Wright and that she should face a more serious murder charge for it. While Potter's intention is not known definitively to put in encyclopedic voice, it does serves an encyclopedic purpose to include slightly more dialogue as they reacted to the chaotic scene. Minnemeeples (talk) 06:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Potter saying "Oh shit! I shot him" amply demonstrates her surprise and reaction that it was not a taser. Having other people say "wow" and "yes" does not add to the understanding or gravity of the situation. They are just words that bloat the article, and do not add anything encyclopedic or notable. Just because a few words were captured on body cam does not mean they have to be included in this article (WP:NOTEVERYTHING). WWGB (talk) 07:38, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
After a shooting, officers are typically told to separate and not talk to each other. But in this instance, Potter is seeking validation for her astonishment from a colleague. Her "oh shit!" statement was part of a dialogue and justification for the shooting with other responding officers about the incident. It seems noteworthy for readers to have that context. Minnemeeples (talk) 19:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

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Second sentence of 2.1 "traffic stop" appears to have misleading link, incorrectly directing reader interested in "registration tag" to license plate when it appears to be auto registration sticker on the license plate. My state of New Jersey has no registration stickers pasted on / affixed to cars at all, also found documentation of same for PA and CT[1], so may be confusing for people in those states, and possibly confusing for other big states like New York and Texas that put registration sticker in windshield (District of Columbia). More information and a more correct description can be found here "Showing current registration on United States license plates".

There is a helpful looking photo on MN car registration DMV page, but wikipedia experience limited and may not be needed.

The sentence:

At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North;[2][3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired registration tag.

Might better be written as:

At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North;[4][3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired restration tag/sticker on license plate.

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) 18:12, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "PennDOT elimination of stickers FAQ question 9". PennDOT. 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.
  2. ^ "BCA investigating after Brooklyn Center officer shoots, kills driver during traffic stop". KSTP. 2021-04-11. Retrieved 2021-04-14.
  3. ^ a b Boone, Anna; DeLong, Matt; McKinney, Matt (2021-04-15). "Breaking down the video: What happened during Daunte Wright's fatal traffic stop". Star Tribune. Retrieved 2021-04-16.
  4. ^ "BCA investigating after Brooklyn Center officer shoots, kills driver during traffic stop". KSTP. 2021-04-11. Retrieved 2021-04-14.

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Second sentence of 2.1 "traffic stop" appears to have misleading link, incorrectly directing reader interested in "registration tag" to license plate when it appears to be auto registration sticker on the license plate. My state of New Jersey has no registration stickers pasted on / affixed to cars at all, also found documentation of same for PA and CT[1], so may be confusing for people in those states, and possibly confusing for other big states like New York and Texas that put registration sticker in windshield (District of Columbia). More information and a more correct description can be found here "Showing current registration on United States license plates".

There is a helpful looking photo on MN car registration DMV page, but wikipedia experience limited and may not be needed.

The sentence:

At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North;[2][3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired registration tag.

Might better be written as:

At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North;[4][3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired restration tag/sticker on license plate.

 Done EvergreenFir (talk) 18:12, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "PennDOT elimination of stickers FAQ question 9". PennDOT. 2021-04-18. Retrieved 2021-04-18.
  2. ^ "BCA investigating after Brooklyn Center officer shoots, kills driver during traffic stop". KSTP. 2021-04-11. Retrieved 2021-04-14.
  3. ^ a b Boone, Anna; DeLong, Matt; McKinney, Matt (2021-04-15). "Breaking down the video: What happened during Daunte Wright's fatal traffic stop". Star Tribune. Retrieved 2021-04-16.
  4. ^ "BCA investigating after Brooklyn Center officer shoots, kills driver during traffic stop". KSTP. 2021-04-11. Retrieved 2021-04-14.

Include a reference link to the Minnesota statute for second degree manslaughter where it mentions that Potter is charged with it: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205 184.103.204.27 (talk) 06:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: That's not actually a reference though, since the information cited is what they've been charged with. Generally we don't include a link or reference to laws people are accused of breaking. If you'd like to have this included please get consensus for the addition. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:52, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2021

Per CNN (1:15PM Anna Cabrera show) he was stopped by the police due to an expired car tag. 98.211.212.227 (talk) 17:20, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done:This has been covered significantly by other editors. LOMRJYO(talk•contrib) 17:23, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 April 2021

Add his photo from Facebook showing aiming gun and be honest about Criminal activity!! 2600:1702:300:F300:64D6:807B:1AD3:19C9 (talk) 04:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Wikipedia can only publish photos with appropriate copyright clearance. WWGB (talk) 06:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Resignation letter quotes

Per WP:BRD, I am starting this section to question 75.101.40.5's restoration of the resignation quotes into the article (diff). I removed them because Potter's quote is incredibly vague and general and it's unclear how Ali's statement is notable enough to include here. It's a lot of speculation from him, the specific words are not notable in their own right, and extended quotes are usually avoided as they push against WP:NPOV. What do other editors think? I'm genuinely curious to hear what these add to the article other than "context". —Wingedserif (talk) 04:17, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Is "context" not the goal? I agree that we can and should copyedit and trim, but if it's being reported on and it qualifies his resignation then I don't see how it's not relevant. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:20, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not saying there shouldn't be context for the resignations; I just don't think bare quotes do that well. —Wingedserif (talk) 04:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete. Most of the quotes are personal reflection on how he "feels". Reduce the verbosity to important points, which should be written in Wikivoice, not quotes. WWGB (talk) 04:31, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored

I restored the painstakingly detailed circumstances of the unfortunate and ultimately fatal traffic stop and arrest of Wright. They were in stories by Fox and the Washington Examiner. Neither are my favorite sources by any stretch, but the reporters in these cases did an exhaustive job, securing original documents from the public record as part of the basis of their stories. Fox has consistently done bad jobs on important news (especially, i.e., the bogus reasons for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, but in that case, so did the New York Times) and the Washington Times has shown its bias. It does not mean that they get everything wrong. I personally like the latter because they retain Associated Press stories, keeping them available long after they disappear from other sources, so I've used them often to avoid links that otherwise often go dead. I didn't realize that any of this was posted prior to my own edits, and there was no record of discussion on this Talk page. I didn't use the "Betz" ref name, though Betz was named in the citations that I left. The critical info in this situation had nothing to do with air fresheners, and whether or not Wright's tags were expired. The vehicle was stopped, and to my mind it was handled badly even before the unfortunate accident, especially avoidance de-escalation techniques, but the victim had clearly been identified and charged for an armed robbery that happened in December 2019, where the woman who was assaulted in the robbery attempt had precisely described in detail even his weapon and picked him and his alleged crime partner out of a photo array. He then clearly failed to appear for his court appearances, had his bail revoked, and had fled from a subsequent stop by law enforcement where he was again allegedly armed with a firearm. The stories did not say whether or not the firearm was taken for evidence before his flight from prosecution (which is also a crime, one which the Kansas Republican Majority Leader (until his recent removal from that position) is currently being prosecuted. So, though the final stop was very poorly conducted, the basis for the stop was absolutely legitimate and well documented and there's ample evidence that the victim tried once again to flee from an arrest that was buttressed by the existence of a months-old warrant. The officer who was putting the cuffs on Wright was also hugely inept, though he was twice the size of Wright. If you think you have facts that dispute those specific facts, and they are legitimately sourced, please post them, but these sections of the article should not be erased because their presence is extremely pertinent to the Wikipedia reader and a balanced and objective representation of the case. Activist (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

2600:8805:A980:5D00:F499:8E6A:61A6:F69C (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)Wow. Can you show any more bias in that post? Kansas GOP majority leader brought up here? Lol, that is hilarious.

Regarding the criminal records, we do not list that material here because it was not related directly to the topic of the article (the killing). Likewise, we don't add misconduct lists to officers. This page is not a biography of Wright and history like that is not DUE here. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
In this case Wright had evaded arrest in June when he was alleged to have been armed. He also no-showed for his court dates on the armed robbery charges, and for his meetings with his probation officer. He wasn't being arrested, however badly it was done, for an air freshener. He was arrested because there was a active warrant out for him. And we do list prior offenses or charges for those who get killed, i.e., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl If that isn't sufficient, tell me exactly how many precedents you would like me to provide for you? In fact, the guy who was being sought by and killed by the FBI had been said to have resisted and to have fired a shot, but his pistol's magazine was found to be full. Activist (talk) 17:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
It shouldnt be on that page either. I am absolutely opposed to any "history" stuff on either the officers or the victims as its primarily tangential, questionable per WP:BLPCRIME, and often has readers inferring motives. Unless its brought up material gacts in. a trial or is widely conveyed by RS, we should not include it. For precedent, see most of the BLM articles' talk pages. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)X
EvergreenFir speaks for me on this. I would reconsider if far more reliable sources start including this in their coverage, otherwise it's WP:UNDUE. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 21:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Wright, who is not a living person, had an arrest warrant issued on April 2, 2021, a month after, on March 2, 2021, he failed to appear as promised to answer for charges that in June, 2020, he possessed a Ruger .45 caliber pistol without a permit and fled on foot from officers who tried to arrest him.[8] Snopes.com has posted an image of the arrest warrant signed by District Court Judge Terri Yellowhammer and verified many other pertinent details of the history of the deceased. Activist (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
There is a disagreement as to whether WP:BLPCRIME applies here. WP:BDP clearly states that the BLP policy DOES NOT apply to deceased people unless there is consensus by editors to extend the BLP policy after death. At present we have two editors who oppose inclusion and two editors who favor. I agree that this persons criminal background is probably relevant to the article, however, there has to be consensus to include it. An RFC is probably what should happen next. There has been extensive discussion about WP:BDP and how far it goes. Octoberwoodland (talk) 22:04, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Civil cases against the Wright estate

What does this section have to do with his killing? Kire1975 (talk) 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I removed the section per WP:COATRACK. You are correct that it has nothing to do with the killing of Wright. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:42, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
I added a further reading article that is a long-form retrospective about Wright and his family's grieving process. Wright's past is discussed in more detail there. Maybe the further reading article can serve as a compromise for those that think every detail is needed in the main article. Minnemeeples (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Black or African American?

Perhaps a meaningless question, but I feel some level of consistency is needed. We state that Mr. Wright was a "Black/White" in he lede, only to say that he was born of "White" and "African American" parents. Which is it? Does it matter? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 13:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

It should follow a preponderance of reputable sources, which state that Daunte Wright was biracial or black, or both. Reliable source do not state he was "Black/White". I removed that from the lede. The background section discusses Wright's parent's race/ethnicity in more detail, if the reader would like to know more. Minnemeeples (talk) 04:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Dates of the incident

The incident occurred on April 11th, but there’s a typo in the “Incident” section of the article. It says there that the shooting was on April 22nd. 2A02:1210:386C:8100:4DC7:4FFA:4B9:2E43 (talk) 10:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed. WWGB (talk) 11:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021

The article describes the officers service weapon as a Glock 9mm and made of metal. It is relevant and important information to note that Glock pistols only have a metal slide with polymer frame. 65.240.136.170 (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Please suggest a source that explains why this context is relevant. The current content follows the cited NBC source. I found this CNN source, but it does not directly reference Potter's firearm, or provide the details you suggested. What else? Minnemeeples (talk) 17:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't think explaining why the context is relevant, is needed. I think the commenter is saying that the article is factually not correct since it says the gun "is" metal, when in fact it primarily is not (it is a polymer-framed gun). Just because a "reliable source" says it is metal, doesn't make it so or mean it should be reported in the article. Wikipedia Glock article says its polymer in the lede. The word "metal" should just be stricken. Digihoe (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
We follow what the sources say. If there is a better source, then suggest it. Minnemeeples (talk) 00:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
I guess what I was saying was, while I totally agree sourced material is the way to go, we shouldn't knowingly report things not true, even if a "reliable source" says it. There are not necessarily RS that report the gun is a polymer gun (I couldn't find any good ones)... and because that can't be found doesn't mean we should promote someone else's mistake... especially if we know better. Sounds like it is resolved now with it being clarified to be "partially metal". Thank you! Digihoe (talk) 15:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Digihoe, thanks for the conversation about it. Glad we we find a way forward. Minnemeeples (talk) 16:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
I added the CNN source and said that the gun was partially made of metal. Reliable sources have said that the gun was metal. If it is important to note more details about the gun and how it relates to the killing of Daunte Wright, then that context come from reliable sources. Otherwise, it original research/synthesis of published material to do our own analysis of the gun/taser make up in this article. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
It would seem the edit has been partly done per Minnemeeples. I am marking this request as answered to remove it from the queue. —Sirdog (talk) 05:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Needs to updated

She was found guilty Thecornerwiki (talk) 19:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2021 (2)

There needs to be an image added of both Kimberly Potter and Daunte Wright. Abracadmbra (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: We need the images to be uploaded before we can put them in the article. See WP:IMAGES EvergreenFir (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2021

Change: "On April 11, 2021, Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old black man,[4][5] was fatally shot by police officer Kimberly Potter during a traffic stop and attempted arrest for an outstanding arrest warrant in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, United States.[1][3][6][7][8] After a brief struggle with officers, Wright was shot at close range. He then drove off a short distance, but his vehicle collided with another and hit a concrete barrier. Officers pulled Wright out of his car and administered CPR, but were unsuccessful in their attempts to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene."

Change to: "On April 11, 2021, Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old unarmed black man,[4][5] was fatally shot by convicted police officer Kimberly Potter during a traffic stop and attempted arrest for an outstanding arrest warrant in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, United States.[1][3][6][7][8] After a brief struggle with officers, Potter shot Wright at close range in the chest. He then drove off a short distance, but his vehicle collided with another and hit a concrete barrier. Officers pulled Wright out of his car and administered CPR, but were unsuccessful in their attempts to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene." Abracadmbra (talk) 20:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: That doesn't add much to the reader's understanding (WP:LEADSENTENCE). And the guilty verdict is mentioned just a few sentences later EvergreenFir (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

New title

This article was recently moved without discussion to Manslaughter of Daunte Wright from Killing of. I prefer the old title. Anyone else? If it’s contentious at all, it should really be moved back and then a requested move opened. Firefangledfeathers 22:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I'll add that "killing" is recommended by WP:DEATHS and that there are no articles using "Manslaughter of". Firefangledfeathers 22:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree. I appreciate boldness, but the page move may have been too reactionary so close to a new development on the topic. I do not see other precedent for putting “manslaughter” into the title of an article. Most are “killing of” even after conviction for manslaughter. Can someone “manslaughter” another? Potter killed Wright. She didn’t manslaughter him. If absolutely important to have the word manslaughter in the title, a better option might be “Daunte Wright manslaughter case” or something like that. Minnemeeples (talk) 23:03, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

“Killing of…” makes the most sense. Minnemeeples (talk) 23:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I've reverted it. "Manslaughter of x" is not idiomatic English and is overly legalistic. WP:COMMONNAME applies here. – FenixFeather (talk)(Contribs) 23:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I also agree with the above. "Killing of..." aligns most with the usual practice on Wikipedia. Mz7 (talk) 23:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Keep as “Killing of …” WWGB (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I am the person who changed the title. I would say murder of makes the most sense yes I am aware she was not convinced on murder. however it does make more sense than manslaughter of or killing of given that it is not a term and killing of does not convey the fact that she committed a crime. so in conclusion I think murder of makes the most sense. Thank you for reading this and happy holidays. Thecornerwiki (talk) 04:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

We are not going to call something a murder when the killer was only convicted of manslaughter, that would be clear-cut WP:LIBEL. "Killing" is the correct title per WP:SHOOTINGS. ― Tartan357 Talk 09:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the information.I am sorry if what said could be considered slander. Thecornerwiki (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Passing as black

Daunte was biracial so why refer to him as a "Black man"? 24.217.221.129 (talk) 16:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Please read the FAQ at the top of this page. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Image

Unfortunately, the image of a sign at a protest is going to have to be deleted as a derivative work (both because it's a photo of a copyrighted work and because that copyrighted work is itself based on a widely circulated photo). Presuming there isn't a free image of Wright we can use, it seems to me there's a good case for WP:NFCC, given this is also the main article for Wright. Thoughts? And if so, which image would we use? I'd say it would make a better infobox image than the current one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

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GA?

What would be necessary to get this to GA? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Considering nominating this soon. @Minnemeeples and Gobonobo: any objections? Would you be around? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:34, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I've no objections. gobonobo + c 19:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

What do you believe are the most important things to do to improve the article? I am interesting in helping a bit. Minnemeeples (talk) 00:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I felt like it was in pretty good shape back in May when I posted the above. Wanted to see if anyone else saw any problems. I'm inclined to just send it off to GAN and see what a reviewer thinks. You're responsible for more of the article than I am, Minnemeeples, so if you'd prefer to do the honors, go for it; otherwise, I'll send it off in a day or two. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 Done Chose the history topic following these two. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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