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Edit request on 25 April 2013

Kiaf is said to be dating ranbir kapoor. They have been spotted on numerous occasion by the paparazzi. Humanbeing1416 (talk) 22:31, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

 Not done Wikipedia is not a place for rumours. Maybe if it was confirmed by them both in a reliable source, and that reliable source was included here. BollyJeff | talk 23:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 May 2013

Katrina Kaif is dating actor ranbir kapoor. they been spotted many times. 74.89.127.73 (talk) 18:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Please read the response in the section immediately above this one. Thank you. Begoon ^talk 18:33, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 June 2013

Katrina kaif was born in 1984 not in 1983 182.64.246.171 (talk) 19:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide reliable source which verifies your request. Tolly4bolly 19:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

katrina kaif was born in 1984, she has told it many times, how could you change her birthyear overnight,i visited your page yesterday also,and now i am seeing it 1983,please change.here are links

http://healthyceleb.com/katrina-kaif-height-weight-body-statistics/454/

http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/discussion/happy-birthday-katrina-kaif

http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/event/katrina-kaif-born-16th-july-1984 --Noshinnira (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2013 (UTC) Noshinnira (talk) 10:16, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

please change it again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noshinnira (talk • contribs) 08:57, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Her 1984 birthyear appear in reliable sources like India Today and CNN-IBN site. But I just watched her youtube video given in ref[1]. At 14:27 she says I am 28 now. Youtube video date is 12 July 2011. This interview was recorded for to be broadcast on 16 July 2011, her birthday. So on 16 July 2011 she was 28. That means her birthdate is 16 July 1983. neo (talk) 11:40, 16 June 2013 (UTC)Noshinnira (talk) 03:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

you have only one source,but i have provided three,my given sources have outnumbered your one source.so lets just change it here is another youtube video link where salman himself at 2008 is stating that katrina is 24.so in 16th july 2013 katrina will turn to 29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RRJ6penqF0 and yes her famous birthday in 2008, when she turned 24, the news link is also there http://www.desihits.com/news/view/katrina-kaifs-star-studded-birthday-party-20080717 Noshinnira (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Just adding, in that youtube video, she says "I'll BE 28 now" not "I am 28 now", so that kind of confirms that she was born in 1983. I was actually thinking that she's 1984-born, but this is clear confirmation from herself that she is 1983-born. Thoughts?? AB01 (talk) 07:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 June 2013

PLEASE LOOK OVER THESE DETAILS ASAP AND CHANGE THEM IF YOU CAN.

Meshukapoor (talk) 05:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Meshu

now here is another source an interview taken in 2011 and katrina herself stating that she is 27,so what does that mean???if her confession is not enough for you to change her birth year to 1984 insted 1983, i think i can't help it anymore http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-06-29/news-interviews/29716644_1_yash-chopra-priyanka-film Noshinnira (talk) 12:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

That interview is dated 29 June 2011. Generally a person keep telling his/her age as of last birthday until next birthday. Her birthday was on 16 July 2011 so until that day she can tell her age as of 16 July 2010 i.e 27. neo (talk) 12:18, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

http://entertainment.oneindia.in/bollywood/features/2007/katrinakaif200307.html in this link katrina told er fans that she was 18,when she shot for boom,so just count her age, for all these years all these websites stated that she was born in 1984,and despite of my earlier youtube links where salman in 2008 stated that katrina was 24 then.i don't know really why are you being so much stubborn over only one youtube link. http://www.hindustantimes.com/photos-news/Photos-Entertainment/under30/Article4-920170.aspx http://celebrities.raag.fm/2013/03/katrina-kaif-harpers-bazaar-magazine_14.html http://www.bubblews.com/news/514209-katrina-kaif-on-why-marriage-talks-make-her-uncomfortable all of the sources say she is 28 years old even her ex-boyfriend also now if you intend to create confusion her fans can do nothing more. we will believe what 99% sources say not one source Noshinnira (talk) 15:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I will believe her own words, not salman or any reputed media. Let other users take decision. I think after few days/few edits you will be able to edit article. Wait for comments of other users and take decision yourself. neo (talk) 16:55, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

i didn't understand i will be able to edit articles what do you mean by that? and okay you said in that youtube video she said i am 28 now,it was just just 4 days before her 28th birthday so isn't it normal that she would say that she was 28 because officially after 4 days she would turn 28.anyways you said you won't believe what salman said but katrina was also present during that interview and if salman was stating wrong thing she would have corrected him,wouldn't she?and again someone mishu kapoor provided source katrina kaif saying that she is 2 years younger than ranbir, ranbir himself is now 30 so katrina would be 28.and katrina herself said in interview a link that i posted that she was 18 when she shot boom.she completed her 10 years so she has to be 28 now.if you have her contact number lets just ask herNoshinnira (talk) 03:43, 18 June 2013 (UTC)180.234.44.32 (talk) 03:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Generally a YouTube video does not suffice as a reliable source. Who knows what she meant when she said what she said? In this case (specially as a WP:BLP) we should have a published (YouTube technically isn't considered "published"), reliable primary source to attribute this change to. Until then,  Not done. Jguy _Talk^Done 01:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

actually i didn't understand that you sais after some edit i will be able to change the article? what does it mean?Noshinnira (talk) 03:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

http://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2010/12/26/katrina-kaif-interview/

here you go in this interview which was taken in 26th december 2010. and it stated katrina kaif's age as 26, is this enough? can we change her birthyear to 1984 now?Noshinnira (talk) 04:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC) http://www.desipowerchat.com/bollywoodnews/z06_katrina_kaif_salman_khan_romance.htm this interview was taken in 2008 when katrina was promoting yuvraaj, and in this interview she herself said "i have entered my 24th year".so be good at mathematics and please change her birthyearNoshinnira (talk) 06:04, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

 Not done None of the sources mentioned are reliable; so stop with this unreasonable request already. There is nothing new about a Bollywood actress hiding her true age, so just let the present source be. --smarojit ^{(buzz me)} 06:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

now you are really getting on my nerves. earlier when it was said that you would only believe when she herself speaks,and when now i provided the interview when she herself stated her age. you are telling me to shut up. okay then lie to her fans if you are so much willing toNoshinnira (talk) 08:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the present source returns a 404 error and the other is a Youtube video. Since we have two conflicting YouTube videos with different ages, then we cannot accurately determine a birthdate from this source, so it has been removed from this article per WP:BLP (and so we're not "lying to her fans" as was aptly pointed out). Once a reliable, published primary source is found, then it can be re-added citing the source. Jguy _Talk^Done 15:19, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 June 2013

The year of birth has been mentioned as 1983 but actually is 1984 I am attaching a link of Hindustan times which is a reputed English daily as a source Kartikeya24jha (talk) 06:50, 22 June 2013 (UTC) [[2]]

Not done:. Another editor has removed the birth date due to BLP issues. RudolfRed (talk) 07:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Malliswari

Any reliable source available to show that Malliswari was a blockbuster? "Idlebrain" is definitely not reliable. Thank you. :) --smarojit ^{(buzz me)} 18:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, Idle Brain does not fall under a reliable source. Please reply here. --smarojit ^{(buzz me)} 18:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Age again

I was talking with a high ranking editor about disputes such as this. They said that we should list both dates with a foot note explaining that there are differing dates and give an example of the best sources of both. I propose that we add text such as this:
... born 16 July{{efn|name=A}} ... and a footnotes section like this:
==Notes== {{notes | notes = {{efn | name = A | The year is uncertain. It has been quoted or inferred in reliable sources as 1983 and 1984.<ref></ref><ref></ref> }} }}
I need help selecting the best sources to include for each year. See the first sentence of Sudirman for a clue as to how this would look. If this works, there are several other Bwood actress articles that could use this treatment. Comments please. BollyJeff | talk 14:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Support It was on my mind. Thanks for putting in words. this youtube ref should be given for 1983 year. For 1984, there are many. neo (talk) 15:45, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Are there any reliable print sources for 1983? BollyJeff | talk 16:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

There are dozens of sites which state her birthdate as 16 July 1983 but I don't see any well-known site name or reliable source. It is strange but we need to decide whether to believe subject herself or other reliable sources or both. And I think, we should state fact that there is contradiction between her own statement and other sources. neo (talk) 16:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think this would be a good idea, as it may lead to avenues for people to start more discussions and bring up more disputes about this. WP:BLP states that We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources. There is no measurable harm in keeping the birthdate of a living person out of an article, as Wikipedia likely has thousands of other articles without birthdates, some probably for the exact same reason. I oppose this proposal on the grounds of WP:BLP and more specifically WP:DOB. Jguy _Talk^Done 16:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Without something in there, a date gets added just about every day by an editor anyway, usually with no source at all. Is that preferred? BollyJeff | talk 16:58, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

It just happened again today. There are 193 watcher on here. Come on people, speak up. BollyJeff | talk 00:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

BLP's must be correct. Having conflicting information in the article goes against the policies of BLP. If poorly or unsourced content continues to be added, then request for page protection would be the next step. Alternatively, the discussion could be listed at requests for comment to generate a clearer consensus on this issue. As a matter of fact, that's where I would take it as an administrator advised you that having two birthdates on a BLP would be the best course of action (especially when I've seen other similar situations where the conflicting information was just left out of the article). Jguy _Talk^Done 14:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Collect the all reliable sources and count date of birth that is more mentioned, add that one, I suggest.Justice007 (talk) 14:57, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Currently the internet is swimming with articles abt her celebrating her 30th birthday on July, 16th...From all reliable sources possible....--Meryam90 (talk) 08:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I doubt that's her real age! --smarojit ^HD 11:15, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Why do you doubt it? How do the two of you feel about the proposal? BollyJeff | talk 13:51, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I just did a quick Google check. Given the high number of sources confirming 1983 as her birth year, I think that it is only fair to add that. --smarojit ^HD 14:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Aren't there also a lot of sources for 1984? That's how this whole thing got started. How would you respond to the editors commenting in the several sections above that her birthdate is in 1984, and keep them from changing it? BollyJeff | talk 14:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, in that case I support your proposal of mentioning both the dates, and providing sources for both. --smarojit ^HD 14:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I changed it to 1983. Many sources came out as she turned 30. If it is still needed, I will add the footnote later. BollyJeff | talk 02:23, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Surname and Religion confusion

There is confusion about his surname. She was named Tarquotte as her father left them long time ago. We all know that their parents were divorced and there was no relation of her with her father. Infact, her mother raised her. It's not unexpected if she takes last name from his mother, though his father's last name is (as sources describe) Kaif, please see this article: http://hollowverse.com/katrina-kaif/ ; here katrina's quote: "My dad, unfortunately, and not out of choice, has had no influence on our upbringing, on our religious or social or moral bearings."

Maybe her name was something like "Katrina Tarquotte Kaif", maybe in her life she was called with her middle name "Tarquotte". But we can't stand on this unreliable thing, can we?

And about her religion everyone is confused. But several interviews proves that she is Muslim. On the other hand, some videos also proves that she respects all religion. But she should be Muslim as her father was, but as we are not sure about it, no one should argue. She is some kind of hybrid religious, Christan+Muslim- something like that, or none of them. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.97.208.74 (talk) 09:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: The portion about Katrina Ka...

Ratri0202 posted this comment on 16 July 2013 (view all feedback).

The portion about Katrina Kaif's father's identity and her surname is derogatory. There is no evidence to prove that Ayesha Shroff is telling the truth when she says she gave Katrina the surname "Kaif' after cricketer Mohammad Kaif, or considered Kazi as a surname, except that Ayesha has claimed as much. Katrina herself has never endorsed this line of belief, so it should not be featured in this article. It is highly irresponsible on the part of an important website like wikipedia.org to feature such a piece of unsubstantiated gossip in the name of information. Request you to kindly take off that portion.

Any thoughts?

GrewalJ (talk) 19:33, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

If you look at this whole talk page, there is always contention about her father, her last name, her religion, her ethnicity, her citizenship, even her birth date. I just can't take it anymore. We should replace the whole article with: "She is a mysterious pretty lady who acts in Hindi films." BollyJeff | talk 19:49, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

LOL Bollyjeff!! :P :P On a serious note, the paragraph has been well referenced, so I don't think that it is "unsubstantiated gossip"! --smarojit ^HD 02:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Age Verification

I have found a video interview which was taken in 2011 during the ZNMD promotions in which Katrina clearly says she turned 28 years old, which would make her 30 this year (as it would mean her birthdate is July 16, 1983). Please skip to 14:27 in the video (that is where she states it after the interviewer questions her how old she is turning, as they were celebrating her birthday). Link --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maiuTjFv3-Y&feature=youtu.be&t=14m27s ! Please and thank you! GrewalJ (talk) 1 August, 2013. —Preceding undated comment added 17:47, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done. BollyJeff | talk 02:23, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: say the original date of birth.school life

117.201.144.19 posted this comment on 16 July 2013 (view all feedback).

say the original date of birth.school life

Any thoughts?

Surya Nair aka Suri (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I am trying to update her b'day to JULY 16 1984 but BollyJeff is constantly changing it!!

Please read the sections above where this has been discussed. Most sources saying 1984 are low quality sources, or have been proven inaccurate. Many good quality source have said that she just turned 30 years old. Do the math; its 1983. Can you give good high quality recent sources saying 1984 (hint: Koimoi is not one; I mean newspapers and such, or interviews with her such as the video cited)? If so, then I will add a footnote describing the discrepancies as I stated above. BollyJeff | talk 17:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

You said your thing and I said mine. Now lets wait to see what others say. Stop edit-warring and removing the cited sources. BollyJeff | talk 17:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

The sources provided for 1983 are valid and highly reliable. So please don't change anything before posting here first. Thank you. --smarojit ^HD 03:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

What's more reliable than Katrina herself admitting her age?? In that video she clearly stated she'll be turning 28, and this was in 2011, so that makes her 30 this year, and hence 1983-born. AB01 (talk) 07:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

She is also not 30 year—born 1983 [...] and not 29 year—born 1984 also, She is hiding her age ---> http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/ENT-is-katrina-kaif-hiding-her-real-age-4321788-PHO.html but i think that source—of DailyBhaskar is also not the essence of tact to prove her age. As, the summary indicated Almost two years back in an interview to a leading English daily, Katrina had revealed that she was 8 around the time the Berlin wall fell. And considering the fact that the Berlin wall fell in 1989, Katrina should be 32 today! She was 8 around, she does not said, she was exactly eight year old. If sources, indicated her as 30 year old—1983 [...] it is more reliable and accurate to insert it.

Smauritius (' . ') 11:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 August 2013: YEAR OF BIRTH

Shreshthi.mehta (talk) 14:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC) Hi Katrina's year of birth is 1984 not 1983. Request you to edit the same. Thanks!

Regards, Shreshthi

 Not done - Please read the lengthy discussions above. BollyJeff | talk 15:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Katrina Kaif/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bollyjeff (talk · contribs) 14:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this one. BollyJeff | talk 14:25, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Here are some initial thoughts as to what could hold it back. I will come with a more thorough review later:

• Uncertain about the infobox picture - Are we sure that it's not copyrighted to Dabboo Ratnani Photography?
• A couple dead links (and some duplicate sources that could be combined)
• Some instances of close paraphrasing (copying the source exactly without quotations) - I will address which later
• Stability - Ongoing edit warring about her background (father, birth name, birth date), and recent edit warring in the lead section

Oh boy, all sorts of grammatical and other problems just in the lead alone:

• "beauty creation "Barbie Doll"." ?
• "in which her role in the latter earner Kaif critical appreciation" ?
• "Hindi cinema.[7] as a British citizen," ?
• Source 2 does not say she was born Katrina Turquotte.
• Source 5 contradicts her birth date.
• Why 4 sources about Barbie in the lead, when it's barely mentioned in the body?

a) The lead is supposed to summarize the body, not introduce new material, see WP:LEAD.

b) It is not normal to have tons of sources in the lead, see WP:LEADCITE.

Background

• This appears to have Wikipedia:Citation overkill caused by an edit war concerning her heritage.
• "they gave her the Indian father" ?
• "they also had thought her naming Katrina Kazi" ?
• Last sentence is unsourced.

Okay that's it! There is no use going forward with this; it's nowhere near GA quality. I am sad to also say that because of her mysterious history, it may be a long time before this article can reach GA, even if it is improved. BollyJeff | talk 02:17, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2014

Her date of birth is 16 july 1984 not 1983 NisarvurdRehhman (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

 Not done as you have not cited any reliable sources to back up your request. The article refers to this web-page which states she turned 30 in 2013 - which would mean she was born in 1983. I have no idea how reliable Zeenews is, but you would need to provide a reliable, independent, source before we would add 1984, and this would probably not result in the removal of 1983 - just a note that there is a dispute about her DoB - unless you can come up with several reliable, independent sources that state 1984 - Arjayay (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Date of Birth

Kaif, DOB is not accurate, numerous sources are against the actual sources mentioning in Wikipedia. The Times of India indicated her age 27 on 2011 1 and 29 in 2013 2. Same happened for Zee news mentioned her age differently in 2014. 30 year old 3 and 29 year old 4. The Youtube source, is not acceptable as Youtube does not stand as reliable source, and we don't know the exact date and time the video was shoot. We have to start a discussion over her age again. Koimoi published her DOB as 16 July, 1984. 5 as well as Bollywood life 6. --- Cara desajeitado (talk) 18:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I sure hope you read ALL of the threads above related to this first. It is really getting old. Yes, there are multiple sources, both reliable and not, stating different ages for her. The only real solution is going to be to say that her birth date is this or that, but we are not sure. TOI and Zee are both considered more reliable than Koimoi and Bollywood life, but they can get it wrong sometimes, as you saw two contradicting Zee articles. Also, learn some basic math; the TOI interview was made before her birthday that year, so supports 1983. BollyJeff | talk 18:40, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Justify how TOI and ZEE are more reliable than others. And also clarify the exact date the interview was shoot. (unless you were the one who shoot it). If you're not sure about her DOB it is more logical to not mention it. That's sound completely dubious as numerous sites, wiki articles mention her 29 year old. I recommend to start a ANI thread just in case to exercise more appropriate ideas and guides. --- Cara desajeitado (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

TOI is an actual newspaper with reporters; koimoi is some kind of self-published website. You can read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources to learn more. Again, please do the math first. Here are two more recent articles saying that she is 30 in EARLY 2014 (as in before her birthday, when she WILL turn 31). [3], [4]. BollyJeff | talk 18:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Here's a newspaper source indicated her 29 year old in 2014. --- Cara desajeitado (talk) 19:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Okay, then look at my proposal at Talk:Katrina_Kaif#Age_again. This is probably our only way out. You cannot just leave her birthday off, because someone will add it right back again every day. BollyJeff | talk 19:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

The youtube link should be a reliable source in this case; it is her, herself, revealing her actual age, and what's better proof than Kaif herself? So, she's said she's turned 28 in 2011. If there was a source where Kaif had contradicted this statement, and said that she turned 29 last year, or 28 in 2012 (etc), then that would mean that we'd need to cite both ages; because she has contradicted herself. But I have seen no reliable source where she has herself said that she was 1984-born. Even in the TOI interview, she says that she's "just 27" and this was dated June 2011 (hence, implying that she's going to turn 28 the following month). Anyways, we kind of do know the date of the youtube interview. This was during Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara promotions. The film released on 15 July 2011, and the date of upload is 12 July 2011; which is 4 days before her birthday. Also, just under the video, it says the interview was held on Monday (which is July 11). So, unless there is another source where Kaif mentions she's 1984-born rather than 1983-born, it should be ok to list her DOB as 16 July 1983. AB01 ^talk 05:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

The balance weights are the same for 1983 and 1984, it is more appropriate to mention both years with a footnote. So far, I can’t find any solution here. Cara desajeitado (talk) 07:26, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

What about we write her birth year as 1983 in the infobox (since that's the year she says she was born), but mention in one of the sections (early life?) that there is a disagreement/dispute amongst reliable sources with respect to her age. AB01 ^talk 08:19, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's pretty cool --- Cara desajeitado (talk) 08:37, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Ooookk then. Will get to it when I have time, unless somebody beats me to it :D AB01 ^talk 09:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I did it using the method outlined above. Is it okay now? BollyJeff | talk 13:19, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Should be fine.. AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 04:23, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Where did those sister names come from? Nonsense vandals?

There being no good info on the web about her sisters, other than the IMDB on sister Isabelle/Isabel, why are those Western names being kept? Brother named Michael might make sense, but.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.73.22.113 (talk) 06:52, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2014

DATE OF BIRTH = 16 July 1984 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.169.160 (talk) 21:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Infobox image

I'm not sure about the copyright status of the current image, since it was taken on the shoot of Dabboo Ratnani's calendar. So, I was thinking about an image change to this one. AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 08:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

I thought about that too, but it is cropped from a Bollywood Hungama image so it may be okay. Anyway, I would like to see another higher quality free image there. BollyJeff | talk 13:04, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

What about that one above? Or is that not high-quality? Anyway, I guess we can leave it if you feel it's ok. That's probably the best image available. She's hasn't been photographed very well in her latest images :P AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 10:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, I've done a Google search on that image. The only sites that the image is on are blogs, Google+ accounts, etc; and it wouldn't be owned by any of them. Looks like it was photographed by BH AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 10:52, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2014

I want to change very important mistake in this page. Harshit.jhalani (talk) 12:32, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

You need to state the mistake, the desired correction, and give a reliable source to support the change. BollyJeff | talk 13:05, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request, Jun 15/2014

"She is one of India's highest-paid actresses, and has achieved popularity due to her physical beauty"

Is the second half of that really encyclopedic? She's a model and an actress, would her physical beauty not be implied? It's a very un-encyclopedic statement.

I suggest changing it to simply "She is one of India's highest-paid actresses." --99.245.191.227 (talk) 02:16, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Done - Agreed and removed. BollyJeff | talk 02:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2014

I want to edit this page. Arun.karthik566 (talk) 03:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Please make specific isuggestions of changes. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Years active/ Modelling and film debut

Shouldn't the years active be 2003-present, because she didn't start professionally at age 14. I remember when Deepika Padukone had an infobox, her years active was 2006-present, even though she started modelling as a child at 8. Even with Vidya Balan - she started acting in 1995 (with Hum Paanch), but her infobox shows the years active as 2003-present (when she was in her first major role). AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 02:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Filmography table

I'm adding back the filmography table for these reasons:
-the main article is not too long (for instance, it's shorter than Priyanka Chopra's page)
-we can't just have a separate page for one relatively small table. An intro (with refs) plus refs for each film of hers would have to be added, and unless someone is willing to do this, there's no point to have the page
-her filmography table isn't that long anyway...she has 33 films, but has had no presence in major television appearances/documentaries/etc. like Rani Mukerji or Shah Rukh Khan
-if we did have a separate page, we'd need to have a "selected filmography" section on the main page, and how would we go about doing that? She's been in 2 films only in which she's received Filmfare noms, so we can't do it that way. And if we only add her notable films, how would we choose, considering 80% of her films have been successful, and hence notable (we'd be adding practically every film back in to the main page) AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 09:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Katrina Kaif/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 16:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 16:00, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks in advance :-) AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 23:04, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of October 6, 2014, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?:

1. NOTE: Please do not comment interspersed between my comments, but if you wish to comment do so at the end of the entire GA Review, below. Thanks!
2. I echo the concerns from the last unsuccessful GA Review at Talk:Katrina Kaif/GA1.
3. The article has numerous instances of run-on sentences.
4. It has overusage of commas throughout, which create similar problems to above.
5. The article uses too many semicolons in places where they are either not necessary or create similar problems to above, namely, sentences that are too long.
6. I made a minor copy edit here, and the prior sentence structure was very confusing to me.
7. Way too much use of quotations throughout the entire article for things that could be paraphrased. Or better yet, simply omit and remove lots of the overusage of quotations throughout.
8. I think the article could stand to benefit from a copy edit from a few previously uninvolved editors. Ideally those that have never even encountered anything related to this particular subject matter before.
9. Consider in addition to getting some previously uninvolved editors for multiple copy edits, also requesting a copy edit through WP:GOCE, and waiting until they are done before renominating.

2. Factually accurate?: Appears to be duly cited to appropriate sources.

3. Broad in coverage?: The article does indeed cover multiple major aspects of its subject matter.

4. Neutral point of view?:

1. Concerns about NPOV here.
2. There are quotations from media sources interspersed throughout the article which come across a bit hagiographic and unnecessary.
3. In addition, the "In the media" section seems a bit too much as well.
4. Suggestion: Merge the quotations throughout the article that haven't been deleted by that point into a new section, Reception, and have that instead of the "In the media" section.

5. Article stability?: The article is semi-protected at this time. Is that permanent? If so, why? I see lots of reverts in the edit history going back only a few weeks. There also appears to be a dispute on the talk page about the Filmography table.

6. Images?:

1. Please fix ALT text for images. They shouldn't refer to proper nouns, but just be descriptive about the picture itself so one can visualize the image without ever seeing the picture.
2. No issues with image licensing. All images hosted on Wikimedia Commons with WP:OTRS confirmation.

NOTE: Please do not comment interspersed between my comments, but if you wish to comment do so at the end of the entire GA Review, below. Thanks!

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— — Cirt (talk) 14:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt: Thanks for the review again, though I'm not totally clear on a few of your comments, so I was wondering if you could help me here:

• Could you give me one or two examples of run-on sentences? Not too sure about where the article has these
• Also could you give me one or two examples of hagiographic statements
• Not too sure about what's wrong with the "in the media" section, as I've followed the layout of FA articles like Deepika Padukone and Brad Pitt
• I was under the impression that semi-protected articles were allowed to be passed as GA. I've checked and I've seen that other articles like Deepika Padukone, Kangana Ranaut, Emma Watson and the recent GA article Tree passed their nominations whilst they were semi-protected :/ Also, just FYI, there wasn't any dispute about the Filmography table. Somebody made an edit where he created a separate article for the table, and I posted my reasons on the talk page for the revert
• Could you give me an example of how to write the ALT text. Like what would you change this to- "Katrina smiling and looking away from the camera" ?

Thanks in advance! AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 07:10, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Reply to User:AB01 about problems with article

1. "While shooting for the picture in India, Kaif began receiving other assignments and soon established a successful career as a model, though filmmakers were hesitant to cast her due to her poor grasp of Hindi." not necessarily classic definition of "run-on sentence", but overly long sentences with overusage of commas, as already noted, above.
2. "After appearing in a successful Telugu film Malliswari (2004), she earned commercial success in Bollywood with the romantic comedies Maine Pyaar Kyun Kiya? (2005) and Namastey London (2007), of which the latter garnered her praise for her performance."
3. In the media section, like multiple other sections of the article, comes off as too hagiographic which therefore fails WP:NPOV.
4. Your explanation of using the word "revert" is the definition of a dispute. Without a "revert" there wouldn't have been a dispute.
5. Please see Wikipedia:Alternative text for images.

— Cirt (talk) 12:00, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt: I do not understand your advice here regarding the alt text. Both the sample pictures in the above link do refer to the subjects by name, proper nouns. One example say to name Queen Elizabeth, not "a lady in a hat". Why did you say not to use proper nouns? The term "proper noun" does not even appear in that link. BollyJeff | talk 17:28, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

The usage of ALT Text must have changed recently. It used to not want proper nouns. — Cirt (talk) 12:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

@Cirt: I don't understand how statements like this [After appearing in a successful Telugu film Malliswari (2004), she earned commercial success in Bollywood with the romantic comedies Maine Pyaar Kyun Kiya? (2005) and Namastey London (2007), of which the latter garnered her praise for her performance] can be termed as hagiographic. It's a fact that all three films were successful, and they are adequately referenced. And I don't think the intro (or the article, for that matter) is biased either, as it also talks about how she's not received critical praise. Would you be able to tell me how you'd rephrase that sentence? AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 06:46, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

AB01, I never said that particular sentence was hagiographic. I said the overall tone was hagiographic. — Cirt (talk) 12:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

However, that particular sentence does go on too long and use too much commas and could be broken to be smaller. — Cirt (talk) 12:10, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

AB01, as the primary contributor to this article, you are an involved party and therefore it's quite understandable how you would be unable to perceive the hagiographic tone of the article towards its subject matter. Yet another reason why WP:GOCE in addition to getting copy editing from multiple previously uninvolved editors, and also perhaps a peer review, would all be good things for this article that I strongly suggest all those things occur at some point in the future. — Cirt (talk) 12:14, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, yep. I've listed it down for a copy edit. I'll nominate it for a peer review too :-) AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 12:23, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• Comment: Just wanted to say this: I'd very much like for this article to be WP:GA quality, I want it to be WP:GA quality, and when I first saw the article without doing an in-depth read-through of the article text, I wished I could simply pass it as WP:GA quality. But unfortunately its tone was not NPOV and was more hagiographic in nature, and it suffered from major problems with writing quality, in particular over usage of commas. I think when this article gets to WP:GA quality at some point in the future, it will help with WP:BIAS by increasing the in-depth coverage of women on Wikipedia in quality articles. I wish the contributors the best of luck with further improving the quality of this article in the future. — Cirt (talk) 12:24, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment from 2nd GA Reviewer

(posted both to article talk page and to Talk:Katrina Kaif/GA2 in case one or the other eventually gets archived).

• Comment: Just wanted to say this: I'd very much like for this article to be WP:GA quality, I want it to be WP:GA quality, and when I first saw the article without doing an in-depth read-through of the article text, I wished I could simply pass it as WP:GA quality. But unfortunately its tone was not NPOV and was more hagiographic in nature, and it suffered from major problems with writing quality, in particular over usage of commas. I think when this article gets to WP:GA quality at some point in the future, it will help with WP:BIAS by increasing the in-depth coverage of women on Wikipedia in quality articles. I wish the contributors the best of luck with further improving the quality of this article in the future. — Cirt (talk) 12:25, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2014

DATE OF BIRTH = 16 July 1983 69.121.170.248 (talk) 01:15, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

• ^^That is the date of birth that has been listed AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 08:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2014

please change While a commercial success, financial analysts observed that despite a strong opening, the film failed to meet expectations regarding its box office performance.[119] to the film was a major commecial success and is currrently the seventh highest grossing bollywood movie of all time 2.103.81.133 (talk) 16:17, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

 Not done: you have not provided a source for the information you want changed. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 19:05, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

NPOV /Hagiography / WP:SYN / WP:BLP

copied from my talk page

I know it's pointless to try and reason with you, but since you are hell-bent on ruining someone else's contributions on Kaif's page, I'll give it a go. Firstly, the discrepancy on her date of birth has been widely discussed on the talk page, and the current version stands as per the consensus. So it's highly unfair to all of us who discussed on the topic, for you to go and change it without even posting the reason there. Next come the headings. There are numerous sources in the main body that first point to a breakthrough, and then to her achieving success, so no, the headings aren't "original" research. And when sources already exits it isn't my burden to point them out to you repeatedly. You need to be responsible enough to go see what the sources say before you begin one of your rampages on the article. Honestly, if you continue disrupting other people's hard-work without as much as a talk page message, it is utterly pointless for anyone to try and improve this encyclopedia. And oh, instead of your usual snide, sarcastic replies, it will be better if you actually think about what I said for a change and discuss with the contributors. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 06:39, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Didn't we discuss all this last time? Why is it that you get a sudden urge to ruin pages every now and again? The article follows the layout of FA/GA-class articles. Go and get a consensus against them, first. Don't just ruin ONE article by imposing your own opinions of what's acceptable content/layout. AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 07:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

1) You were using fucking idiva to make claims that a living person was lieing - get real.

2) Per the GA "But unfortunately its tone was not NPOV and was more hagiographic in nature," - You know what makes the tone come off as hagiographic in nature? Repeatedly tossing around "success" in section headings for one thing. (and that doesnt cover the WP:SYN issues of Wikipedia editors analyzing several sources and saying " You know, those years from 2007-2008 were successful!!!" - you would need a source that makes that determination. )-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

You cannot attach sources to section headings, so what you are saying is nonsense. The heading summarizes the content; this is allowed. BollyJeff | talk 14:00, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

1) then you use objective descriptors rather than subjective, or you have in the section a sourced comment that says "Her years from 2007-08 were successful (source that calls 2007-8 successful)" the headings summarize, but not make interpretations. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:11, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

FYI: the hagiographic tone was due to excessive quotations, which have been trimmed now. Why don't you get a consensus on all articles, instead of cherry picking? Reese Witherspoon's article mentions headings such as "Early critical success" and "Worldwide recognition". Angelina Jolie's article has "Breakthrough" and "International success". Same with other GA/FA-class articles. It is ok to summarise a section with a heading if it is supported by the sources and content in the text. If you feel so strongly about this, go get a consensus on ALL articles first. I'm going to try and follow FA criteria, not TRPoD criteria AB01 ^{I'M A POTATO} 23:17, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

it was due in part to excessive quotations. and in part to excessive use of unsupported superlatives.

And you start cleanup where you are. there is certainly NO policy or guideline that you cannot clean up one article until others are also cleaned up first. that is just nonsense. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

What is nonsense is us "cleaning up" on the orders of one particular editor. You are no one to dictate what is right and what is wrong. If the community decides something, we follow it. So you don't you get to decide what is important and what is not by simply glancing through and assuming you have all the answers. You don't WP: OWN the article neither have you constructively contributed to any article so far, so stop ordering people to follow what "you feel needs to be done"! None of the main contributors to this article care about your personal opinions on the subject. Also, featured articles are the "best articles in this encyclopedia", so we follow the format. If you think the format followed by those articles are not "good enough", then that's just your problem! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 05:00, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

BLP issues again

Having checked the sources regarding recent edit warring over whether Katrina Kaif's father is Indian-Kashmiri or Pakistani-Kashmiri, I have found absolutely nothing to indicate anything other than his now being a British Kashmiri. There are no references as to whether he's Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist, so please desist from ethnicity POV-pushing.

In accordance WP:BLP, any interpretations as to his identifying as anything other than Kashmiri (and in deference to Katrina Kaif's reticence to have her private life delved into publicly), I've removed the 'Indian' and left it as Kashmiri. Coming up with your own evaluations of what 'Kashmiri' means in this instance is WP:SYNTH at best, and WP:OR at worst. Either way, it's a BLP violation. Please do not re-add any qualifier to the 'Kashmiri' description unless you have reliable sources. By RS, I mean sources that Wikipedia recognises as being known for their fact checking.

Thank you for your understanding and co-operation. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2015

94.209.11.114 (talk) 22:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC) haramzadi

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 22:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Katrina Kaif/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Royroydeb (talk · contribs) 16:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

In my initial look, I found the following faults *Only Times of India site doubts her date of birth but the article says some sources?

• • Removed

* During a London show filmmaker Kaizad Gustad cast her - what the sentence tries to say is not clear. Try rewording.

• • Reworded
• with her mother's surname Turquotte (also spelt Turcotte) - clarification needed
  • The sources only say that she was born with the surname Turquotte and that her mother's name is Suzanne Turquotte. I have researched extensively, but there isn't any confirmation on how she was born with her mum's surname

I have also searched many sources, it is unclear of how it happened, so let it remain.

* when she was very young - vague

• • Reworded
• the timings of her relocations are not clear.
  • I've written what the source says. There isn't a detailed timeline of events unfortunately

@AB01: Since there are allegations of her fabricating her past, I would suggest you to add in this paragraph - "According to Kaif". Moreover it is an interview. You can also quote the source even in a blockquote if you think it is required. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 10:34, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Rewritten in a blockquote

* paternal parentage have been questioned by some sources. - Again this some sources

• • Within that source itself, there are various people who question her background
• modelling as a teenager - specify
  • Reworded
• pirated VCDs of the film's uncut version were reportedly appearing on the black market. - What is its pertinence in the article?
  • Removed
• her performance was praised. - By whom?
  • Reworded
• Nikhat Kazmi - who is he?
  • He was already introduced above (Nikhat Kazmi of The Times of India)
• recognition of her acting ability. - Problem with neutrality persists
  • Removed
• Something more can surely be added about Sheila Ki Jawani
  • Added something about her training and preparation for the song
• since it was their first film together after their breakup. - Till now their is no mention of their relationship
  • Removed
• She reportedly visits - it sounds better if you write The Times of India reported in [year]....
  • Changed
• Did she really performed, I mean in the same performance with Akon?
  • Yep, that's what the source says. Plus, there's a picture showing her on stage with him
• is considered one of the most beautiful celebrities. - Who considers?
  • Reworded
• for three consecutive years beginning in 2008, and again in 2013. - The time gaps are not clear.
  • Reworded

*Unsourced filmography.

• • As far as I know, filmographies do not need to be sourced unless it has an article of its own, WP:FILMOGRAPHY. All the sourced are in the Career section anyway

It is in violation with the policies of WP:V, WP:IC and WP:BLP. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 13:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:FILMOGRAPHY says that the sources "is an optional field that is to be used when a work may be obscure or difficult to confirm." None of her films are obscure. Also, if you look at featured articles like Reese Witherspoon and Emma Watson, the filmography tables have not been sourced, so I think it should be fine, no? AB01║TALK 01:33, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

The article has problem with the neutrality criteria. I will look into it again. I have not yet checked the references though.RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 19:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Some references just have the date some have date as well as accessdate. This needs to be fixed. Either add dates to all sources or remove them from all. Nothing in between. The checklinks says there is one dead link hereRRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 10:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

According to this, all websites need access dates, and publication dates should be added IF they're available. That's what I've done here. The dead link is fixed now. AB01║TALK 09:11, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

The 25 no reference about that John Abraham one opens into this. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 09:52, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

All the NDTV links are archived now AB01║TALK 11:46, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

*The no 8 source says "I grew up in London." However the article speaks else - "she is thought to have grown up in London"

• • Reworded
• "Kaif's Kashmiri descent and paternal parentage have been questioned by some sources" - The no 1 source says that some of the co actors and other cinema related people has doubted her parentage, not sources. Also the source doesnt say that her Kashmiri descent is questioned, it says her parentage is doubted.
  • Taken out the bit about her descent
• "received her first modelling assignment (a jewellery campaign)" - make it modelling assignment in a jewellery campaign
  • Reworded
• "working for several freelance agencies" - remove several, it does not specify, I remember it being a violation of MOS of words
  • Changed
• "Kaif received a reported ₹7.5 million" - million is not of the Indian system of counting, we do - tens, hundreds, thousands, lakhs, crores.
  • If you have a look at other FA's on Bollywood actors (eg. Kareena Kapoor Khan and Deepika Padukone), the numbers are written in millions and billions. I have a feeling there was a consensus on this, so it'd probably be best to leave it as is (it might be because this is the English wikpedia)
• "According to Sify, "Katrina is passably competent in a tailor-made role" - make it Sify wrote that Katrina was "passably competent in a tailor-made role..."
  • Reworded

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 09:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

• "they praised Kaif's performance." - again not going with the source, write what the source says - "Debasmita Ghosh of TOI says she " attracted positive reviews but also introduced the audience to her sizzling hot chemistry with Akshay Kumar."
  • Removed
• "Except for Boom, Namastey London and Singh is Kingg, Kaif's voice was dubbed over by voice artists in her early films because of her lack of fluency in Hindi and other Indian languages" - I dont watch much films, but I have watched Race, was it also dubbed? Because what does "early films" exactly means is not specified.
  • Reworded for ckarity. Yep, as far as I remember her voice was dubbed in Race too.
• "when one is wrongly detained after 9/11" - which one?
  • Reworded AB01║TALK 10:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 09:22, 5 June 2015 (UTC)