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STOP DELETING STUFFS

seriously, stop editing and deleting stuff honors and achievments should be there polls are achievements and please stop editing intro! all of them are from reliable sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.5.176 (talk) 01:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe if you used proper grammar (actually, any grammar, including the incredible inventions of punctuation and spell-check), users would not delete your "stuffs". --Thorwald (talk) 02:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Stop removing inter-wiki links, categories and adding unsourced text and people will stop reverting you. And when multiple editors revert you, stop adding and discuss additions instead. —SpacemanSpiff 02:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I have semi-protected the article for a week. Hopefully that will provide enough time for 122.60.*.* to discuss the proposed additions along with references. If at the end of the week, no consensus is reached and the disputed edits are repeated, the concerned editor(s) are liable to be blocked. Abecedare (talk) 13:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 74.104.45.225, 19 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Her last name is wrong She is not from Hong Kong ... she is from India.

74.104.45.225 (talk) 02:33, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: This source does not acknowledge that. Spitfire19 (Talk) 03:32, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

ADD DOSTANA 2 TO HER FILMOGRAPHY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.196.38 (talk) 22:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Who said her birth name is Katrina Turquotte?

I have found no source that says so. It says her name when moving to India was that. For all we know, after her parents divorced she adopted her mother's surname. Stop making assumptions. Wiki only allows solid facts that have sources. AyanP (talk) 01:45, 11 August 2010 (UTC)Ayan

Katrina Kaif In Poetry

In June 2010 Katrina Kaif was the main subject of a Poetical cycle in lyrical verse penned by a New York based Poet. The Poems entitled: "Ode To Katrina Kaif - An Unerring Beauty", "The Fairest Maiden" and "An Enchanting Affair" first appeared on the Poet's website dedicated to Katrina Kaif: http://www.thefairestmaiden.com. The Poems were composed of rhyming lines in iambic pentameter except for "An Enchanting Affair" which was in Trochaic tetrameter. "Ode To Katrina Kaif - An Unerring Beauty" became an instant success and even inspired an entire song devoted to Katrina Kaif in Zoya Akhtar’s ‘Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara’. Upon reading the Poems Katrina Kaif commented generously on the Poet's efforts and hinted at been taken away considerably by the Poetic flattery.

Supremethinker (talk) 20:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring by AyanP

If her father is named Mohammad Kaif, how can he be a Kashmiri Pandit? I request we change that to remove 'Pandit'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.119.10 (talk) 03:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Katrina Kaif is a British Indian, and I cited a reliable source to back up the claim, coming from The Indian Express. AyanP, you are welcome to discuss the issue here. Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but The Indian Express writing that is not good enough. We all know (or at least I do) how unreliable and unprofessional Indian newspapers are. Remember The Tribune printing that Padma Lakshmi is of mixed heritage when "Boom" came out? Until she says herself that her father is a Kashmiri from India. AyanP (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)Ayan

Hello all, I recently noticed a removal to an edit I made, particularly the removal of the word "Indian" before the word Kashmiri. I have done a partial revert to User:AyanP's edit, which includes restoring a deleted scholarly reference. I have also added a new reference for the word "Indian." Thanks, Anupam^Talk 01:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay then, AyanP - you have both The Indian Express and The Times of India, both of which are perfectly reliable sources. What reputation they have in your eyes does not matter to Wikipedia. Wikipedia works with reliable sources, not random users' opinions about famous newspapers.

BTW, I've no issues with calling it Bollywood, I was actually one of those who opposed to move the article to Hindi cinema. Either version is fine, since Hindi film industry is Bollywood and vise versa. But removal of sourced information does not go. And sorry, I do not take your words about reputable newspapers at face value. Discuss the issue and cite sources. Until then, stop edit warring. Shahid • ^Talk2me 09:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Guys, please stop this non-sense. Why do we have to label people? Later in the article, it clearly states that her father is Indian and her mother British. Let's just leave it at that. If you actually read the Anglo Indian, and British Indian articles, they are very similar and it is inconclusive if she really fits in to either anyway. What she IS for sure is an actress, okay?

Why shouldn't be label people? Everyone is classified in someway. BTW, we don't actually know if her father is Indian or not, which is why this argument started. She says her father is Kashmiri, but from which side? AyanP (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)Ayan

Please read the references. In one of them, Katrina Kaif specifically says "I felt people would be able to associate better with an Indian surname." I hope this helps, Anupam^Talk 21:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Birth date

Her birth date is 16 July 1984. Please confirm, [1]. The original source is from Indo-Asian News Service. - Managerarc ^talk 21:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks, ... 84.... (born July 16, 1984<ref>{{cite web|url=http://movies.ndtv.com/movie_Story.aspx?id=ENTEN20100146682&keyword=&subcatg=|title=Katrina changes birthday plans for Zoya's film|publisher=[[NDTV movies]] - via [[Indo-Asian News Service]]|date=July 15, 2010|accessdate=December 15, 2010}}</ref>) -Off2riorob (talk) 21:40, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah 1984, my mistake .. cheers:) - Managerarc ^talk 21:46, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Added, thanks for the help. Off2riorob (talk) 21:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Dannylardon164, 30 December 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} "Kaif's first film of 2010 was Raajneeti, where she appeared opposite Ranbir Kapoor. The film did extremely well at the box office, receiving a blockbuster status. She is currently filming Farah Khan's Tees Maar Khan with Akshay Kumar. The film is set to be released on 24 December 2010."

should be

Kaif's first film of 2010 was Raajneeti, where she appeared opposite Ranbir Kapoor. The film did extremely well at the box office, receiving a blockbuster status. She starred in Farah Khan's Tees Maar Khan with Akshay Kumar, which was released on 24 December 2010 Dannylardon164 (talk) 17:21, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done Stickee (talk) 12:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 129.21.47.145, 6 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} "Katrina Kaif (Kashmiri: क़त्रीना कैफ़ (Devanagari)) (born 16 July 1984[1])" That script is NOT kashmiri, its hindi and where is the proof that she is from kashmir?!

 Done- removed as per comments here. Off2riorob (talk) 17:00, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

129.21.47.145 (talk) 18:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure what you actually want doing, but she is staring in hindi movies, and of interest through that to hindi speaking people so the Hindi is likely useful - if its not Kashmiri then we need to remove that and what is the Devanagari - is the text in that form? The Kashmiri needs to go, can you explain a bit more what you actually want, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

You can see proof that she is Kashmiri in the early life section, and the script of Kashmir is in Devangari. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

She isn't kashmiri? Why should it be in the lede there? She makes films in Hindi as I can see, does she make movies in Devangar? Does she even speak that dialect? Off2riorob (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

She is not from Kashmir, her father is. Some editors on WP love use facts like this to add all sorts of language scripts to articles, regardless if the person speaks the language or not. BollyJeff || talk 20:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

You're right, I personally don't mind if you put it as Hindi or remove it altogether. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Some activist will just put it back the way they like it, unless WP policy is changed. BollyJeff || talk 21:44, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I am going to remove it as per this discussion, activists can discuss here also - A case might be made to add Hindi as that is the language she makes the majority of her films in. Off2riorob (talk) 16:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Please read the article on the Kashmiri language or look at a scholarly article that discusses the scripts used to write that language. The current Wikipedia article gives three references on the actress' Kashmiri heritage. I have added the Kashmiri script to the article because that is her background. User:Off2riorob, Hindi speakers can read the Kashmiri Devanagari script since that script is also used to write Hindi as well (although there are some differences).Similarly, in the article on Aishwarya Rai, her native Tulu language is used in the article, not Hindi. In another example, the article on Bipasha Basu gives her name in the native Bengali language. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 20:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I told you so. Now there is even an extra one, haha. BollyJeff || talk 20:14, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I have removed it again - it was worse - her kashmiri heritage, thats rubbish, does she even speak kashmiri? He also stuffed the ethnicity Kashmiri into the infobox when he knows there are objections to her being described like that - I replaced British Indian as well, discussion is the way to go if he wants to replace disputed content she has some kashmiri genetics and that it. I have left him this note - please don't replace this against a clear talkpage consensus against it - if you dispute consensus and the reasons stated, go to the talkpage post your comments and wait for consensus to change, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you realize that there are references to support the fact that Katrina Kaif's Indian heritage is Kashmiri. Have any of you looked at them? Have you bothered to read information regarding the Kashmiri language and the scripts used to write it? It seems that you are attempting to build a consensus on feeling rather than on truth. Please reevaluate your position based on the references. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 20:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, from what I see most editors agree it's unnecessary. And I support the removal as this only creates trouble. I don't feel strongly about it, but she herself is an English-speaker, her heritage is there, a script feels unnecessary. Shahid • ^Talk2me 09:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello User:Shshshsh! According to Parvéz Dewân's Jammû, Kashmîr, and Ladâkh: Kashmîr, Katrina Kaif is among those individuals who celebrates her Kashmiri roots. Moreover, all the other Bollywood film actors/actresses have a script to match their origin, even if it be only half of their ethnic background. For example, the article on Malaika Arora Khan rightly includes both Punjabi and Malayalam scripts; the same is the case for the article on Dia Mirza (half-German, half-Hyderbadi) includes an Indic script as well. Additionally, it is helpful to have an Indic script for a name of Indic origin in order to provide a correct pronunciation of the name. Since you do not feel strongly about the issue, I hope you will understand my point and accept my edit. If not, I think we can pursue the issue at Wikipedia:3 or through WP:RfC, the latter of which would give the opportunity for the community to comment on the issue. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 23:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.248.163.1, 14 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} In the Filmography of Katrina Kaif, please remove the notes from the Movie Tees Maar Khan as Filmed. The movie is already released.

Similarly, add the notes for the movie Zindagi Na Milega Doobara as Filmed. Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zindagi_Na_Milegi_Dobara

122.248.163.1 (talk) 08:54, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Done --Darkwind (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Katrina kaif is not voted the hottest woman in the 'world'. Please edit

Sorry, The article says, Katrina Kaif is voted hottest woman in the world. But she was voted the hottest woman only in India by the European Magazine Eastern eye. It means that, Katrina Kaif is voted hottest in India, not in the whole world. Please edit this as soon as possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.39.47 (talk) 07:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done It was voted on in India, but open to any Asian woman. I made a clarification, and added a link to the 2010 list. BollyJeff || talk 16:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Update on Award section!

Can someone update the award section? She have bagged few more awards this year!

She have won Best Actress award on popular show Movie Masala on a leading channel. http://www.dhingana.com/news/katrina-kaif-receives-best-actress-award-on-movie-/26819

Popular actress at NDTV Indian of the year award http://movies.ndtv.com/PhotoDetail.aspx?Page=11&ID=9164 http://www.ndtv.com/video/special/ndtv-s-entertainer-of-the-year-katrina-kaif-339/191076

Best Actress at Lions Club Gold Awards (Raajneeti) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKN-6cRRIes

Also is it possible to start a new section for her other achievement like her being voted most profitable actress in the country, most popular by various publication and also sexiest woman? I don't think we should ignore these because these are viewers voting and this is as important as her other achievements. If you go on to her fan site you will see more of her other achievements >> http://www.katrinakaifonline.net/katrina/awards.html

Thanks guys! You guys are doing fab job here :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soniya12345 (talk • contribs) 01:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Tricky Wording

In the "Voice" section, the article states: "However, with the exception of De Dana Dan she has used her own voice for all of her films since New York." Because the word "since" has multiple similar definitions, this confuses the reader. Is New York included as the first film that features her real voice, or is it just everything after that? I think this is a small, but important distinction to make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.124.193.118 (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

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RfC Concerning Kashmiri Script

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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After reading through the various viewpoints below, I find that consensus supports presenting the actress' name in Kashmiri. Thank you all for contributing in an orderly, civil fashion. m.o.p 05:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Should this article, like other articles written about Bollywood film actresses, present the actresses' name in the language used by her ethnic group: in this case the Kashmiri language? Your comments would be appreciated, Anupam^Talk 01:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

• Strong Support Katrina Kaif was born to a Kashmiri Indian father and is now an actress in India's major film industry, Bollywood; as a result, she is of Kashmiri heritage, as indicated by the several references supporting this statement. If we look at the other articles concerning Bollywood film actresses, we can see that their names are given in the language used by their ethnic group(s). For example, Dia Mirza is a half-German and half-Hyderabadi Bollywood actress. As a result, her name is given in Urdu. Similarly, Malaika Arora Khan is a half-Punjabi and half-Malayalam Bollywood actress. Consequently, her name is also given in the Punjabi and Malayalam languages. In the case of Katrina Kaif, the reference titled Parvéz Dewân's Jammû, Kashmîr, and Ladâkh, states that Katrina Kaif is among those who celebrate their Kashmiri identity. Moreover, adding language scripts is helpful in indicated the phonology of the individual's name. Throughout Wikipedia, the language associated with the ethnic group of an individual is given. For example, Mahatma Gandhi's name is given in the Gujarati language; Hiroshi Yamauchi's name is given in Japanese, etc. In light of these facts, there is no reason that the Kashmiri script should be ommitted from the article on Katrina Kaif. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 01:14, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support. It seems to be normal practice on WP to include biography subjects' names in a relevant orthography. This also seems to generally apply for people of Asian descent born elsewhere. --FormerIP (talk) 01:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Dear User:FormerIP, thank you for your comments. I agree with you completely. The standard convention is to include the relevant orthography for the subject of biographical articles. Breaking the practice for one article would be inappropriate. Thanks again, Anupam^Talk 20:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose Katrina Kaif was born in Britain, to parent's who are both British citizens. She only knew the English language when growing up. She only learned Hindi after getting started in the film industry. There is no documentation to support that she knows even a single word of the Kashmiri language. Her name appears in English in the credits of all her films. In her case, these language scripts add no value whatsoever to English speakers reading the English Wikipedia. It only clutters up the page. As to the other articles, well there is WP:OTHERSTUFF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bollyjeff (talk • contribs) 01:54, 8 November 2011

What does this discussion have to do with Hindi? This discussion is about the Kashmiri script. Stating that this article should not bear the language of her ethnic group because she does not know an entirely different language is a straw man fallacy. Your assertion regarding her knowledge of Kashmir is unsourced and contraindicated by the fact that the reference titled Parvéz Dewân's Jammû, Kashmîr, and Ladâkh lists Katrina Kaif among those who "proclaim proudly" their Kashmiri identity. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 02:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Um, you already gave your opinion, I don't think you need to reply and counter to every 'oppose' that may appear on here. BTW, that source does not say in what manner she proclaims proudly her identity. If you claim that she knows even her own name in Kashmiri, I would like to see a source for that. Is 'Katrina' a popular Kashmiri word? BollyJeff || talk 02:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - How can the script be verifiable? We will only be taking this editor's word for it, because her name has never appeared in Kasmiri in any source that I know of. The editor could be writing anything there and we would not know. If you can find a verifiable source of the Kashmiri spelling of her name, then that would be helpful. If you are concerned about the pronunciation, then please add the English pronunciation guide, because again, this is the English Wikipedia, and those characters will not help me to know how to pronounce 'Kaif', though oddly enough, I already know how to pronounce 'Katrina'. BollyJeff || talk 12:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
• Strong support - For inserting foreign scripts, we should see the ethnicity of the person or industry which gave the name to the person. The name "Katrina Kaif" was given by her parents, who apparently are of Kashmiri and British ethnicity. The name should be in Kashmiri and British English only. But if Bollywood gives her a nickname which becomes a common reference, we can add that in Hindi. And, it doesn't matter if she knows Kashmiri or not, because we cannot keep adding all the languages she can speak fluently. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 05:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
• Storm in teacup — If the non-Latin script does not displace "normal" European text comprehensible to most WP users, then the amount of space taken up by the extra entry is trivial and any offence taken to its presence is intrinsically unreasonable, no matter what language the subject of the article reads; it was not written solely for her attention. Conversely, if any parties might be assumed to be likely to appreciate seeing or reading the unfamiliar script, it has earned its place; if not, no harm done. The assumption is not that every item in WP must be vitally important to everyone using the facility, but that if it is affordable and verifiable, then any reasonable interest would justify its inclusion. Some people seem to be interested. Nuff said. Let's stop wasting time and breath (or keystrokes...) JonRichfield (talk) 06:52, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Dear User:JonRichfield, I agree with your comment: "If the non-Latin script does not displace "normal" European text comprehensible to most WP users, then the amount of space taken up by the extra entry is trivial and any offence taken to its presence is intrinsically unreasonable." Take care, Anupam^Talk 20:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

• Storm in a teaspoon" Use all titles / names.. See article for: (Header)"Cat Stevens"...(Main text) "Yusuf Islam (born Steven Demetre Georgiou), commonly known by his former stage name Cat Stevens.." 78.149.185.106 (talk) 07:38, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose - Her father was Kashmiri, her mother English. She was grown a British citizen, had no contact with her dad, as she says, "My dad, unfortunately, and not out of choice, has had no influence on our upbringing, on our religious or social or moral bearings." Today she works in India on an employment visa. Again, not that it's important to me that much, I just see no particular reason to have it here. She doesn't even speak the language, and the script should essentially reflect her mother tongue. Her mother tongue is English. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
• This article concerns the world of entertainment / media, and as such has a duty to supply all names by which the artist(e) is known. Whether it is ethnically acceptable, or whether it offends religious sensibilities is a different issue. It is not up to the WP editors to make decisions about a name based upon what they feel about an artist's religious or ethnic 'eligibility'..that's purely judgemental and can only ensure that no agreement (on this otherwise trivial issue) is ever reached. Force 3000 08:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Dear User:Force 300, thanks for your comments. I completely agree that the article has the "duty to supply all names by which the artist(e) is known." Most of the people here also feel the same way so I am optimistic about the outcome of the RfC. Take care, Anupam^Talk 20:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

• Comment - Mother tongue does not mean only the language her mother is ethnic to. If her father was Kashmiri, it should be added in the first line, regardless of whether she knows her father or the language. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 14:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose The relevant factor here should the name(s) by which this actress is actually known. If she never uses her Kashmiri name, which several commentors have claimed, and is not commonly (with a rather low threshold for "commonly") referred to by it, then it seems to be not very relevant or salient and should not be included in the opening sentence -- the same way the translations of her name into other languages, like Greek (Κατρίνα Καΐφ) or Russion (Каиф, Катрина), are not included in the lead. siafu (talk) 17:27, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello User:Siafu, thanks for your comments. I think you have a slight misunderstanding here. Katrina Kaif is known by her Kashmiri Indian name rather than her birth name. The reference titled Cine blitz, Volume 29, Issue 2 states: 'Kaif is my father's surname, he is Kashmiri," she bristled. "When I joined films I decided to take his surname, since I felt people would be able to associate better with an Indian surname.' The actress was actually born as "Katrina Turquotte" (see reference). Could you please reevaluate your comments in light of this information? It seems that your argument would support retaining the Kashmiri scripts in the article. With regards, Anupam^Talk 18:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not seeing that as relevant to my argument; she uses a pseudonym for acting, and the article title already reflects that. The question is whether or not she is known by her Kashmiri name (as mentioned above "Katrina" is not exactly Kashmiri in origin), appears in Kashmiri-language media using that name, or is otherwise primarily associated with her name in Kashmiri (she even described it as "Indian" in that quote-- makes it seem like the Kashmiri language is even less relevant here). If the answer is no, which it seems to be just from this discussion, then the Kashmiri script seems superfluous. It might be warranted as an inclusion in the article body, especially after mentioning her adoption of said surname, but the list of names in the lead sentence does require a certain level of parsimony not needed elsewhere. The real test, as I said, is whether or not the usage you are suggesting is actually common in the sources, however, and not these discussions of principle. siafu (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

OMG, her real name is "Katrina Turquotte"? That is not even mentioned in the article! I will add it now. This is even further proof that you are pushing something that does not belong. Ridiculous. BollyJeff || talk 19:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Siafu, thanks for your comments. Jammu and Kashmir is a state within India - as a result it is appropriate that she called her Kashmiri surname an Indian one (as she is from the Indian side of the region; there is also a Pakistani province that is part of the region). In the same fashion, Punjab is a state in India, but is also part of the larger Punjab region. Also, the name Katrina is similar to the name Sameer, a name of two origins, except that the Kashmiri pronunciation is slightly different. The spelling in Kashmiri (قطرینہ کیف) reflects this as the name begins with a voiceless uvular plosive, rather than a voiceless velar plosive, the former of which is not found in English. As a result, it is necessary that the Kashmiri script be included in the introduction of the article. I hope this helps. I look forward to your comments. With regards, Anupam^Talk 20:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

I know about the states of India; I was implying that the specific "Kashmiri"-ness of her name choice is apparently incidental as the quote implies that she just wanted it to be "Indian". Does she pronounce her name with a voiceless uvular plosive (this sound doesn't exist in English, so very possibly not)? Is she known commonly by the Kashmiri pronunciation of her name? Is she more famous in Kashmir than in other parts of India, or primarily associated with the Kashmiri language or culture in some way? These are the relevant questions here, not any complicated arguments about ethnicity, and the evidence that has been presented in this discussion so far seems to indicate that the answers to these questions are all no. siafu (talk) 20:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

The reference titled Parvéz Dewân's Jammû, Kashmîr, and Ladâkh lists Katrina Kaif among those who "proclaim proudly" their Kashmiri identity. Also, most individuals from other parts of the Indian subcontinent will be able to read the Kashmiri scripts, which are in Devanagari and Nastaleeq, as these are the scripts used to write Hindi-Urdu, the national language of India and Pakistan. Yes, if one wrote the name of the actress in the way that it was spelled in English (کٹرینا کیف), one would find very few results. However, if one Googled the Indic pronunciation of the name (قطرینہ کیف) [this is not just the Kashmiri script, but an orthography used to write Hindi-Urdu as well], only then would one obtain results (also see this reference if you wish to see the difference for yourself). What I encourage you to think about is the fact that why should this be the only article that discusses a Bollywood related film actress that is stripped of the script of the ethnic group of the actress? Articles on Aishwarya Rai, Amisha Patel, Riya Sen, etc. all give the script related to the individuals' ethnic group even though these actresses all perform in Hindi cinema. Why discriminate against Kashmiri? If this article were stripped of the Kashmiri script it would be the only article to have done so. It is quite inappropriate to remove the Kashmiri script from the article. I hope this helps. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 21:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Aside from citing WP:OSE wrt articles on other actors and actresses, I think I've stated my objection as well as I can, and I'll leave it at that. siafu (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

• Use Hindi instead, I think. Here's my rationale (and if my speculations are wrong, I stand corrected). We have to include an English transliteration of her name, of course. Since her career is in India, and presumably many sources are Indian, we should use the the version of her name used in that country also. India is an unusual case since it's polyglot, but Hindi is the closest thing to a national language and script, the most notable sources are probably mostly Hindi, and I think that "Bollywood" is based mainly around Mumbai where (I think) Hindi is probably the dominant language used, and this is probably true of the Indian movie industry generally. One of the main points of including a name in a non-English language is so that people can search on that name for more info, and Hindi fills the bill much better than Kashmiri for that, I think.

I've handled this issue in articles I wrote or translate myself. If a person, even an ethnic German or Georgian or whatever, had his career mainly in Russia, I definitely include the Russian version of his name. Because that how he was mainly called and written about during his career.

But sometimes I include the English, Russian, and German versions, depending on various factors such as how important his ethnicity was to his life, and so forth. But I discourage over-cluttering of ledes, unless it's really important. Would a possible compromise be to use just English and Hindi and include the Kashmiri version in a footnote or somewhere in the body of the article? Herostratus (talk) 16:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support Since Kaif identifies as Kashmiri, I think her name in that script would be a welcome addition to the article.--Miniapolis (talk) 22:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
• Distinguish:
  • Should it include the Kashmiri form of the name? Almost certainly yes, if a reliable source can be found; complete with transliteration to explain to most of the anglosphere what the difference amounts to, if anything but a difference in script.
  • Should it be titled by the Kashmiri form? Almost certainly not; the article should be titled neither in Kashmiri, nor in Hindi, but by what she is called in English (which will usually be the name in the form of her films released outside India). Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello User:Pmanderson, the proposal is talking about the first statement you said, "including the Kashmiri form of the name." For example, the article on Aishwarya Rai lists her name in the script of the language of her ethnic group in parenthesis, next to the English article title. The proposal for this article is to list the actress' name in the Kashmiri scripts, as Katrina Kaif is of Kashmiri heritage (analogous to Aishwarya Rai's Tulu heritage or Malaika Arora Khan's Punjabi and Malayalam heritage). If you could kindly clarify your position on this proposal, we would really appreciate it. Thanks! With regards, Anupam^Talk 20:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

• RFC Comment: Why not use also the Kashmiri name, but not at the expense of others? Of course, the article name should follow WP:NAME which in this case would probably mean English. --Dailycare (talk) 20:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
• Support: using ethnic names is common on Wikipedia as already cited by other editors. It improves the article and I see no reason to exclude the Kashmiri. – Lionel ^(talk) 23:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
• Support Including the Kashmiri name gives a flavor of the culture where she works, is informative, and educational to readers of other cultures, all in line with the goal of Wiki.Coaster92 (talk) 03:58, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
• Weak Support - On the one hand, WP biographies cannot provide every conceivable alternate name; on the other hand, if many of her fan base is Kashmiri, and uses a Kashmiri name, it could reasonably be included. As a compromise, consider including it within the body of the article, or in the InfoBox, rather than in the first sentence. --Noleander (talk) 21:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
• Include all popularly known names: Wikipedia is for the education of its readership. All names by which this actress is known should be included. The lead should give her best known name. In the personal life section, her names as she is variously known should receive some attention, though perhaps minor. This is not a competition between names. Her various names are probably of interest to our WP readers.DonaldRichardSands (talk) 15:49, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
• Ditto I agree with the comment immediately above this one. All names should be included, and the most common one to English readers should be the name of the article. Reading this discussion, I am not sure which one that is. ScottyBerg (talk) 04:21, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

The only name that she is known by, to anyone, is the English name 'Katrina Kaif'. However, since it's not that important to me, we are going to close this discussion soon and let the guy to whom it is important have his way. BollyJeff || talk 13:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Since she now lives and works in India, it's appropriate to include her name in both Kashmiri and Hindi, as long as there are reliable sources that show her name in those languages. FurrySings (talk) 01:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Kashmiri script is probably harmless; but we don't include the French, Russian, and Mongolian forms of her name for a reason: we don't have room and the readers aren't interested in a wall of (repetive) text.

What, therefore, are the advantages of including the Kashmiri script?

• Ethnic point-scoring doesn't count; we're not here to express a POV on Kashmir, least of all by indirection here.
• Does somebody want to know what the Kashmiri form is (more than, say, the Russian form, which is at ru:Каиф, Катрина; one of the advantages of a multilingual wiki)? Proabaly not.
• Is it pronounced (and so transliterated) differently? That would be very useful, if true, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
• Is it useful because much of her fandom is Kashmiri, and writes in that script? Probably.
• Is there some other reason that would actually interest a reader that wants to know who Katrina Kaif is? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking to create a new section. Your thoughts and comments required.

Mentioned below is the new section that i'm planning to add. The contrib's are well sourced. Your thoughts required. See below.

Religious views

Kaif is known to have secular religious views, and has been to various religious places in India,[2] including Hindu, Sikh and Islamic places of worship.[3] She has been seen worshipping at Siddhivinayak temple, Hindu temples in Haridwar, Shirdi, Amritsar's Golden temple and Ajmer Sharif dargah. [4][5][6]

I've simply included the sources as links to the src pages here. Will attest them as refs in the main article/page. Thank You. Hari7478 (talk) 06:19, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Not really enough for a whole new section. Maybe just add it under personal life. BollyJeff || talk 13:48, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Kashmiri Script

I feel the nastaliq script in Katrina Kaif's name is totally unnecessary. For all Indian articles, we should technically be using whatever is the designated official script of the country itself. The official languages of India are Hindi and English as stated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_languages_of_India#Official_languages_of_the_Union . So I feel it's alright to add her name in Kashmiri "DEVANAGARI" as that is basically the Hindi script, but adding nastaliq is overdoing it and unnecessary. This doesn't even come down to political correctness. All Pakistani articles should have Urdu Script used and all Indian Articles should use Devanagari. They're the official designations of each country. Please rethink your stances on this. Thanks! Demetriusss (talk) 06:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

No, you are incorrect and wide consensus from the Wikipedia community, as well as administrative closure of the discussion has determined that the Kashmiri scripts will stand for the Katrina Kaif article. Furtheremore, Kashmiri is a scheduled language in India and is written in both the Devanagari and Nastaleeq scripts (see reference). This article does not have Urdu in it and even if it did, Urdu is also a scheduled language in India with official status in several Indian states (see this article). Moreover, articles concerning Bollywood related film actresses give the script in the language of the actress' ethnicity. For example, Dia Mirza is a half-German and half-Hyderabadi Bollywood actress. As a result, her name is given in Urdu. Similarly, Malaika Arora Khan is a half-Punjabi and half-Malayalam Bollywood actress. Consequently, her name is also given in the Punjabi and Malayalam languages. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 09:33, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST

In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katrina_Kaif#In_the_media it says that she was listed as one of Vogue's top 30 most beautiful women of the year but did you check your source? It's nothing but a blog called "VogueImprint" - doesn't seem to be affiliated with the magazine.

I think you are correct. I removed it, but please put new messages at the bottom of the page, thank you. BollyJeff | talk

Employment Visa?

Is it really necessary to mention that she works in India on an employment visa? Since she is a British citizen, one would assume this is obvious and there seems no reason to actually say it.

Any sources? —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 08:07, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, please check the source in the lead

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where katrina kaif born?

where katrina kaif born? some where that written that she born in england and in wiki written that she born in hongkong.which one is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crunchcorn1 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

What is written here is backed up by an article from The Times of India. The others? BollyJeff | talk 02:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

A Separate Section called "Religious Views"?

Why is there a separate section about katrinas religious views?

Is katrinas religious views in question?

Is katrina kaif herself editing her wikipedia page as a form of online promotion?

Last I heard, the political parties(congress and bjp) were claiming and self proclaiming to be secular. Secular means non religious while katrina goes to mandirs, masjids and gurudwarass so how is she non-religious(secular)? Who the hell is filling this wikipedia page with promotional garbage? Please respect wikipedia standards and do the needful and remove the promotional section. Thank you. 180.151.255.55 (talk)wikitivist

Well, it probably does not need its own section, but is there some error in the sourced statements? BollyJeff | talk 19:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Katrina's father

Previously, an IP had deleted the info' about Katrina's dad's nationality, citing this reason - "there are many evidences which contradict this theory about kashmiri father and thus a disputed one". According to user:Kumarila's edit comments "she has said many times that she adopted title kaif because it was indian in origin and nothing more". However, in an interview to TIMES OF INDIA, Katrina has stated that her father in INDIAN. See this: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-07-19/news-interviews/29787111_1_katrina-kaif-lows-happiness/2 . And there is no mention about his Kashmiri origin. I hereby request users not to delete the info', citing "Kashmiri origins", as Katrina admits that her father is an Indian(TOI article), without any mention of his region of origin. Even if his Kashmiri origin be true, Katrina says he's Indian, which means he is from the Indian state of "Jammu & Kashmir". However, there is no reliable article(like TOI) that speaks of his regional origin, and it is better to leave it out. It is enough to mention his nationality. Thank You. Hari7478 (talk) 18:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

She CLAIMS that her father is or Indian origin now and previously claimed she was Kashmiri (and didn't specify which side of Kashmir back then), but the reality is that we have NO proof for either claim. Ayesha Shroff (who discovered her) said that the surname Kazi was given to her and then changed Kaif because the former seemed too religious. But then Kaif claims she her father's name is Mohammed Kaif? So her father had the surname made up by Shroff for her? Sounds like BS just like Nathalia Kaur claiming to "discover" she's part Indian recently. Are we really supposed to believe this? LODA

Did you change her surname?

She had an English surname, which was not easy to pronounce. She is not Katrina Kaif originally. She is Katrina Turquotte. We wanted to give :her a surname which would be accepted by the Indian audience. First we thought of naming her Katrina Kazi, but then we thought Kazi would :have a religious overtone. So we thought of Kaif.

But it is said that she has a Kashmiri father.

If that's what she says, you have to believe her. Her name on her passport that time was Katrina Turquotte.

Source: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-08-18/news-interviews/28181374_1_jackie-money-matters-ayesha-shroff — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.120.255 (talk) 16:52, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 August 2012

hey, i want to edit this page beacuse from my sources..katrina kaif is doing one more film called dostana 2

Do you have the source?Torreslfchero (talk) 18:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 18:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

katrina kaif is also working in bang bang, how could you forget that mentioning,please change,here are sources

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH6SO1LD3HY

http://boxofficecapsule.net/release-date-announced-of-hrithik-katrinas-bang-bang/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noshinnira (talk • contribs) 10:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Name Change

Katrina Kaif was born as "Kate Turquotte" and not "Katrina Turquotte". Please make the appropriate changes. 182.68.90.114 (talk) 11:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:06, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Two versions of her history

This article is often see-sawing between two very different versions of her origin and early history. That is not good for the project. There was some discussion in the section "Katrina's father" above, but not a lot. There is probably some in the archives too. If a consensus cannot be reached, then I think data from both versions will have to be included, with a disclaimer that the "truth" is just not known. Someone should try to locate more recent sources where she may have clarified things better. BollyJeff | talk 13:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

If we have a good reason to believe that sources are inaccurate or contradictory, then content should be very carefully framed (IE. "Source A said...") or, preferably, it shouldn't be in the article at all. If any content from any "version" contradicts what good sources say, the best solution is to leave out that content completely; I don't care which "side" is which. bobrayner (talk) 14:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation to comment here, User:Bollyjeff. The edits by User:Kumarila don't tell a different version of her origin and early history. Rather, they intentionally omit information that is buttressed by several references regarding Kaif's father, such as his name and state of origin in India. There really is not any contradiction in the information provided by the sources, although if there was a contradiction, User:Bobrayner's method to resolve such a contradiction is a good one. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 07:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Facts regarding her Indian Father have been disputed by many people.So it is better to leave it out. Ayesha Shroff claimed that she got her title from cricketer Mohammed Kaif where as she had claimed that it is after her father whose name is Mohammed Kaif. What a coincidence!.In interview with TOI also,when asked about whether she has visited Kashmir,she says that she has has no idea where her father lived. Kaif is not even a surname common in Kashmir.It is common to give a foreign actress new name. So it is better to leave it out.Kumarila^Talk 02:53, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

We have to follow the facts/content of the reliable sources, not our imaginations or personal ideas.Justice007 (talk) 08:57, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

This version contains reliable citations like that of article of Mumbai Mirror on Katrina namely "Rise and Rise of Katrina Kaif". Earlier version had some unreliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumarila (talk • contribs) 09:45, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

You remain reverting illegitimately, you are advised to discuss here and reach WP:consensus on this dispute.Justice007 (talk) 13:13, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I have added two more reliable sources and cited for support, I think now there should not be any issue in this regard. Justice007 (talk) 15:24, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

There are still questions that should be answered:

• If Mohammed Kaif is her father:

How was she named Katrina Turquotte? Usually kids take their father's last name.

Why are these other people trying to make up stories that he is not?

Why do some normally reliable sources say otherwise?

• If Mohammed Kaif is not her father:

Who is her father and what happened to him?

What is her ethnicity? Is she part Indian or not?

Why do some normally reliable sources say otherwise?

• Both stories need to be addressed to some point to keep the edit war from raging on. BollyJeff | talk 21:23, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

• In this regard, if sources are reliable, third party and indepedent, then I agree with bobrayner that he has suggested, and it is in accordance with wiki-rules.Justice007 (talk) 21:47, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

In Cine Blitz, Volume 29, Issue 2, Katrina Kaif herself states: "Katrina Kaif is my real name. Kaif is my father's surname, he is Kashmiri," she bristled. "When I joined films I decided to take his surname, since I felt people would be able to associate better with an Indian surname." The reason that she grew up as Katrina Turquotte is because her parents were divorced at an early age and she was raised by her mother, as the article indicates. The fact that there are family photos showing Mohammad Kaif, Katrina's Kashmiri Indian father in an early family picture, demonstrate the validity of the information contained in those sources. I am not sure why User:Kumarila continues to remove this information. I hope this helps. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 22:48, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

It exists theoretically , and it is very logical that information is correct and should practically be mentioned in the article. I support that.Justice007 (talk) 08:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

However, Kaif self-identifying her background is what matters, while incorporating other theories could be a BLP violation. Hari7478 (talk) 23:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

You have asked on my talk page this. First of all this is absolutely not the violation of BLP, We have to reach consensus on this dispute. We must follow that. Discussion is open, I have already said what I wanted to--. Anyhow I also agree with bobrayner's suggestion.Justice007 (talk) 09:22, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Confusions and new section

There are some new edits such as "Religious Views". I do have a cherished desire about knowing her religion, but everyone asks is Katrina really a muslim? And I ask you, do you have reliable source?

By Islamic Rules, daughters and sons take the religion of her/his father, so there should be no confusion. I appreciate that you keep the religious sections. And everyone should know that Katrina loves and respects her father, retrieved from various sources and interviews. Some one saying that Katrina did it for promotion, but he should know there's no need to lie a religion to promote herself.

She goes to Hindu and Muslim sacred places simultaneously, it somehow proves that she has weakness in her religious beliefs (Islam), as usual all the other actor/actress have. DONT MIND, it's true.

There is confusion about his surname. She was named Tarquotte as her father left them long time ago. There is currently no relation with her father. And that's why she was named Tarquotte, otherwise it would not happen.

Please add some more information about Katrina's family. Were her mother married after she left Muhammad Kaif, and does Katrina have any half/step brother/sister? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.47.99 (talk) 07:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Religious Section Removed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why and who the hell removed Religious Section? A lots of people have confusion about Katrina's religion. That's not the headache, but some people think that she is a complete non-believer. So the Religious Section is necessary. I want to ask why you are hiding it? Do you have any problem stating her religion?????? Envying I think. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not Katrina's official site, this would not exploit Kat's personal life. So everyone should push as much info as possbile, not to remove information meaninglessly.

I think bunch of idiots are working now a days regarding bollywood information. They are deleting things, not adding. This people should be taken under action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.45.106 (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes this is not an official website of any one even for you. The subsection of the religious view has been removed because of WP:BODY. The information is added in personal life section. take a look at last two phrases of "Background", and redundant content has been removed. I hope this helps.Justice007 (talk) 22:18, 10 February 2013 (UTC)