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Again, there’s clearly a problem here

Again, I see plenty of IP addresses addressing the same issue and some people white washing the request for the unbalanced or biased template. Surely all these IP addresses cannot be the same person. Please do not remove content prior to reaching consensus among contributors. And do not assume “trolling” or other bad faith. Everybody is trying to contribute their best here so assume good faith. Wikimicky1 (talk) 10:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

False Citations

I deleted citations which had nothing to do with the statements in the article. How is such a scandal allowed here? 46.31.112.222 (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Conspiracy theorist" or not?

Notifying recent editors of article: @Wikimicky1, Aidan9382, MrsSnoozyTurtle, Jim.henderson, Leontrooper, Johannes Maximilian, Deepfriedokra, Invincible3169, MB, Myxomatosis57, Crosbynx, Sundostund, Styyx, and Vincent Vega:

There has been an ongoing edit war regarding Kadir Mısıroğlu labeled a "conspiracy theorist". Sources supporting the label were removed 02:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC) by Wikimicky1 with an ES of "Removed invalid references that do not mention or support the statements made in the sentences." Diff of Wikimicky1's edits
Should Kadir Mısıroğlu be labeled "conspiracy theorist"? Thank you for your valuable time. Adakiko (talk) 06:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citations removed and other potential sources

Citations removed from the article

"Komplo teorileri: Korku tüccarlığı paranoya piyasasından geçiniyor". Independent Türkçe (in Turkish). 7 February 2020. Retrieved 17 October 2021.
Gökşin, Ozan Ekin (5 March 2020). "Üst Akıl, Gezi Direnişi ve Komplo Teorileri - Ozan Ekin Gökşin -Avlaremoz". www.avlaremoz.com (in Turkish). Retrieved 17 October 2021.
Aytürk, İlker (April 2011). "The Racist Critics of Atatürk and Kemalism, from the 1930s to the 1960s". Journal of Contemporary History. 46 (2): 308–335. doi:10.1177/0022009410392411. hdl:11693/21963. S2CID 159678425. Retrieved 10 August 2021.
"AKP yöneticileri laiklik düşmanı Kadir Mısıroğlu'nun cenazesine katıldı". birgun.net (in Turkish). Retrieved 2021-08-07.

Other potential sources. Machine-translated trans-title

Avlaremoz article

"Antisemit Komplo Teoricisi Kadir Mısırlıoğlu Öldü" [Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theorist Kadir Misirlioglu Dies] (in Turkish). Avlaremoz. 6 May 2019. Retrieved 9 August 2022.

Komplohaber [Conspiriacy News] article

"Putin'in amacı ne? Kadir Mısıroğlu'ndan komplo teorisi!" [What is Putin's purpose? Conspiracy theory from Kadir Misiroglu!] (in Turkish). Komplohaber [Conspiriacy News]. 12 April 2015. Retrieved 8 August 2022.

National Review article. See WP:RSP#National Review (NR) regarding RS

A. J. Caschetta (26 June 2022). "'No Shakespeare' without Islam?". National Review. Retrieved 8 August 2022.

Kadir Mısıroğlu's personal website

"Kadir Mısıroğlu". kadirmisiroglu.com (in Turkish). Retrieved 8 August 2022.

William Shakespeare's real name was "Sheikh Pir" and Shakespeare was a secret Muslim

"Mısırlıoğlu'na göre 'Shakespeare' değil 'Şeyh Pir'..." [According to Mısırlıoğlu, 'Sheikh Pir', not 'Shakespeare'...]. 5 May 2016. Archived from the original on 25 November 2020.

Adakiko (talk) 06:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Written in language(s) I do not understand, though on the face of it, Shakespeare, whose name is well established, was not, in my humble opinion a Muslim, and that looks to me like contrived balderdash. Just an opinion. Not a scholar of such. I have no reasonable claim to being able to judge sources beyond calling such a claim a tad suspect. struck off-the-cuff- remark made pre-coffee and of no value in this dispute. What is that Turkish? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm a neutral admin whose only interest was to SP to stop disruption and promote discussion. As such, I have no say in the content. I offer no opinion in the quality of the sources removed, nor any other content dispute. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In fact I do not interest Mısıroğlu but I checked now and in my opinion these citations which has been given by @Adakiko: are enough for identify him as conspiracy theorist. Note: I am TR-N, so if you need assistance I can help you. Vincent Vega ^mesaj? 08:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also tr-N. This source, which was in the article right after the "Mısıroğlu has been described as a conspiracy theorist" sentence, states "Muhafazakar camiada Kadir Mısıroğlu, Cevat Rıfat Atilhan gibi isimlerden Harun Yahya müstearıyla Adnan Oktar vb. isimlere kadar komplo teorileri kitapları adeta başucu kitapları yapılmıştı", so that is confirmed. The next sentence, about his anti-Kemalism views, is confirmed by a journal (in English, btw). Page 310 says: "By now we are all too familiar with the leftist-socialist, conservative-Islamist, and finally the liberal[6] critics". 6 is a footnote that has a list of "liberal critics". That list, includes Kadir Mısıroğlu. If the link doesn't work for you, The Wikipedia Library provides access to this piece. Note that this is literally the most reliable source in the article, as it's a peer-reviewed journal. This source (which was also already there), also confirms it. The next removed source doesn't confirm jack shit, so its removal is correct. I've found another source that partially states the same. This has been a long-standing issue. I reverted the page to the stable revision (a.k.a what it was before the dispute), and swapped the source due to obvious issues. I've also added sources to his claims mentioned in the lead section. The other changes are nothing but disruption. A final request: please ECP this page. ~Styyx^Talk? 11:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Styyx, thank you for your work analysing and restoring these sources. I also believe that page protection is needed here, due to the disruption following its recent expiry. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Styyx and MrsSnoozyTurtle: Thank you Styyx for your hard work here. Would a RfPP be granted? I suspect there is insufficient activity. Perhaps add to one's watch page? Adakiko (talk) 23:49, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't much activity because the page was protected until 30 July. A week without protection and we're already at it again. ~Styyx^Talk? 01:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd strongly support a permanent page protection, including talk page protection. There is nothing more to add. --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 14:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Biased, insincere coward is what you are. You can't stand the truth. Plus, Wikipedia is ever changing. You should know better. So that's a bad idea. 46.31.112.213 (talk) 13:21, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am feeling thank you. ~Styyx^Talk? 15:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Special:Contributions/786wave. I had a feeling you might be involved, eventually your true colours came through here. Now please stop disrupting the encyclopedia from which you are banned. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nice

Who ever wrote this article has gained my respect 203.211.74.121 (talk) 06:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]