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Mallikārjuna (Sanskrit: मल्लिकार्जुन) - This is the name of one of the twelve jyotirlingas ("Pillars of Light"), located on a mountain on the river Krishna.^[1]

Rameśvara (Sanskrit: रमेश्वर) - Lord of Rama. This is the name of one of the twelve jyotirlingas ("Pillars of Light").^[2]

Of these, the most famous are Rameswaram in Tamilnadu, Varanasi on the banks of the Ganges river, and Kedarnath in the Himalayas. Two other Jyotirlingas, called Mahakalashvar, are located in Madhya Pradesh in the ancient city of Ujjain. There is another at Omkareshwar, named for the city.

Buddhipriya 22:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ For Mallikārjuna as one of the twelve "Pillars of Light" see: Chakravarti, p. 140.
^ For Rameshvara as one of the twelve "Pillars of Light", see: Chakravarti, p. 140.

The map does not show Jammu & Kashmir properly

The map should show the whole Jammu & Kashmir as part of India. It must show whole Kashmir including Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and Aksai Chin as part of India. Please replace the map.

Map does not show j&k it needs to be corrected immediately — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kavin007in (talk • contribs) 03:16, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The template was throwing errors. I have removed the disputed map. Also I dont think this article needs a map. Pitures will be more helpful. --Walrus Ji (talk) 08:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Difference in Map and Details about Vaidyanath Dham

The Map is showing 'The Vaidyanath' in Maharashtra whereas in detail it is mentioned 'The Vaidyanath' in Deoghar. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.203.155.126 (talk) 06:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It has been rectified. Claims of Vaijnath Jyotirlinga comes from 3 places. Why northern people are not accepting, as Madhya Pradesh has acknowledged The Vaijnath Jyotirlinga to be of Parli. I wonder. Bhagwan to vahi basa, jaha Rawan ne niche rakh diya... Adv Vitthal Deshmukh (talk) 11:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grishneshwar or Ghushmeshwar

There seems to be some confusion between 2 site. Grishneshwar near Aurangabad, maharashtra and Ghushmeswar near Jaipur, Rajasthan. The table mentions maharasthra while the map shosw rajasthan. Could somebody clarify on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.41.2.20 (talk) 12:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grushneshawr near Aurangabad (now, Chtrapati Sambhajinagar) is the most accepted location. If it is shown in Rajasthan, it needs to be rectified. Adv Vitthal Deshmukh (talk) 11:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kashi Vishwanath Temple Image

Image corresponding of Kashi Vishwanath Temple is wrong. The picture is of Birla Temple AKA Vishwanath Temple (and not 'Kashi Vishwanath Temple') or simply VT at Banaras Hindu University Campus. This needs to be rectified. Mohitsaini29 20:33, 20 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohitsaini29 (talk • contribs) ≤

Nageshvara vs Nagnath

the present Nageshvara temple was constructed much later than Aundh Nagnath (which was supposedly built in 13th century), which is evident from their structures. As compared to other Jyotirlinga temples Nageshvara is obviously the most recently constructed, as it is built from bricks unlike the others which have been built from stone. Nagehsvara also does not have a recorded history dating back centuries (while Nagnath and others do).

Here's an article from Times of India Readers' Blog : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/readersblog/the-right-view/nageshwar-in-dwarka-a-fraud-on-innocent-hindus-14351/, which while not a "credible source" is a traveller's account of the temple.

This news report: https://zeenews.india.com/hindi/india/video/5500-years-old-nageshwar-mahadev-temple-in-gujarat-renovated-by-gulshan-kumar/426049 claims that Nageshvar temple is 5500 years old (a similar claim is also made about the original Nagnath temple in Maharashtra) but more importantly, it confirms that the temple was "renovated" by Gulshan Kumar, the founder of T-Series (a claim made in the blog post mentioned above) and only after that the temple gained prominence. Unlike the other Jyotirlinga temples, there are also no old structures present in Nageshvar.

The Wikipedia article on Nageshvar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nageshvara_Jyotirlinga#Location_controversy) also mentions the location controversy :

The written name of Darukavana could be misread as 'Dwarakavana' which would point to the Nageswara temple at Dwaraka. However, no forest is in this part of Dwaraka that finds mention in any of the Indian epics. The narratives of Shri Krishna, mention Somanatha and the adjoining Prabhasa tirtha, but not Nageswara or Darukavana in Dwaraka.

Darukavana might exist next to the Vindhya Mountains. It is south-southwest of the Vindhyas extending to the sea in the west. In the Dvadasha Jyotirlinga Stotra (6),[9] Shankaracharya praised this Jyotirlinga as Naganath:

   "Yamye sadange nagaretiramye vibhushitangam vividhaishcha bhogai Sadbhaktimuktipradamishamekam shrinaganatham sharanam prapadye"

This could be taken to mean that it is located in the south ['yamye'] at the town of 'Sadanga', which was the ancient name of Aundh in Maharashtra, south of the Jageswara shrine in Uttarakhand and west of Dwaraka Nageshvara.

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So I believe the Wikipedia article on Jyotirlingas should reflect the fact that Nagnath has a stronger claim on the Jyotirlinga status as compared to Nageshvar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuyutsu-69 (talk • contribs) 14:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yuyutsu-69, I must preface my statements by saying that I have very little authority on this subject and may not be able to provide you with a satisfactory answer. From the sources you have provided I can only conclude that the Nageshwara temple is 'considered' a Jyotirlinga by people in that region and that there is a fair bit of confusion/controversy regarding this issue. Now, the links you have provided are not reliable sources and thus, cannot be used to make the changes you propose.

My own research yielded sources (1 2 3) that proclaim Nageshwara to be a Jyotirlinga as well as a government website 4 that considers the Aundha Nagnath to be one of the 12 Jyotirlingas. Once again I have little idea as to which of the two claims is true, so this proposed change would have to be put on hold until we can find someone with more knowledge on this topic. Prolix 💬 19:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another "disputed" Jyotirlinga. DNA in its compilation of 12 Jyotirlingas mentions Aundha Naganath as the Jyotirlinga; however TOI mentions the Dwarka Nageshwar. Lonely Planet, Maharashtra government includes Aundha Naganath in its list. IMO, both claims should be noted in the article. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Concept of Rudra-Siva pp. 139-140 mentions Naganath near Ahmednagar (Aundha Naganath) referring to Skanda Purana.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:53, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the elaborated view. I haven't gone much through, as Daruk-wane is mentioned in Sloka, which I thought to be Dwarka. Needs to look into deeply. Adv Vitthal Deshmukh (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baidyanath dham - Deoghar or Parli

There are two Vaidyanath/Baidyanath dham jyotirlingas and depending on verses, they are either in Deoghar, Jharkhand or Parli, Maharashtra. The article is being subjected to POV edits because of that. @Utcursch: can you hellp with this? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:56, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not knowledgable about this subject - maybe consider dropping a note at WT:IN and WT:HINDU. utcursch | talk 19:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Parli Vaijnath (Vaidyanath or Baijnath) is considered a Jyotirlinga in Maharashtra. The same is noted in Times of India group, Times of India, Deccan Herald, Lonely Planet.Zee Business (Hindi) says that Indian Railways started a train to visit 5 Jyotirlingas on 14 February, including Parli. This TOI article states "Now this is one disputed jyotirlinga temples in India considering there are three destinations in the country whose natives claim that the jyotirlinga is there. These are Vaidyanath in Deogarh, Jharkhand, Baijnath in Himachal Pradesh and Parli Vaijnath in Maharashtra." For neutrality, I suggest all three claims be noted, unless one of them is proved to the popular view.Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:46, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Parli Maharashtra is have Jyotirlinga, So it is correct 42.105.234.55 (talk) 13:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Varied sources indicate correctly in that way. In sloka, ^{Plarlyam Vaidhyanatham} is mentioned. Other claims doesn't have good references. It's not only about editing on Wikipedia. It needs to be verified by proper sources. Parli has upper edge from that angle. Plarlyam Vaidhyanatham.... Adv Vitthal Deshmukh (talk) 11:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ghushmeshwar

Ghushmeshwar Temple. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 08:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Itcouldbepossible: Ji, Map. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 07:01, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Karsan Chanda Temple ka koi map nehi hota. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 11:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

jyotirlinga vs Jyotirlinga

Kautilya3 has changed all Jyotirlinga to jyotirlinga claiming these are common nouns. See discussion here. The discussion was initiated to see what their objection was because they made this change on another page. I provided the Jyotirlinga page as an example. However, instead of discussing the matter, they proceeded to make that change all over on this page too.

My view is that Jyotirlinga is a Proper noun because it refers to an invariant number of lingas. Webberbrad007 (talk) 20:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a good time to browse through some RS: [1]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is inconclusive. On that page, books by Ruma Bose, Surabhi Srivastava etc capitalise. Also probably a good time to check out Char Dham. Char Dhams and 12 Jyotirlingas are similar in that they are the pilgrimages that Hindus undertake. Webberbrad007 (talk) 20:41, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On a quick search scholarly articles do not seem to capitalize the word: see example:

Fleming, Benjamin J. (2009). "Mapping Sacred Geography in Medieval India: The Case of the Twelve "Jyotirliṅgas"". International Journal of Hindu Studies. 13 (1): 51–81. ISSN 1022-4556.

which even apart from the capitalization issue, is a good source to improve and expand the current wikipedia article.Abecedare (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Behind a paywall and I currently don't have a university login to access. Is there an alternate way to access it? Webberbrad007 (talk) 07:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I could access the below which does capitalise by searching on scholar.google, though it appears to be of uncertain prominence.

https://www.academia.edu/download/63748553/Pashupatinath_of_kantipur20200626-2070-bgr1zr.pdf Webberbrad007 (talk) 07:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you search on Google Scholar, you will find JSTOR archives whenever available. Or you can search JSTOR directly. [2]. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:34, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Webberbrad007, I cited that particular article because, rather than just a generic piece that mentions the subject in passing, it is a scholarly article dedicated to the history of jyotirlingas by an author who wrote his PhD thesis (freely accessible) on that very subject. The capitalization, eventually, is a minor issue; my hope is that the Fleming article and the literature it links to can instead be used to better develop the actual substantive content of the wikipedia article. Abecedare (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] For Mallikārjuna as one of the twelve "Pillars of Light" see: Chakravarti, p. 140.

[2] For Rameshvara as one of the twelve "Pillars of Light", see: Chakravarti, p. 140.

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