Talk:John IV of Ohrid

John IV of Ohrid has been listed as one of the History good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: April 6, 2019. (Reviewed version).

A fact from John IV of Ohrid appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 May 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 12th-century archbishop of Ohrid John IV was born as a Byzantine prince of the Komnenos dynasty?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:John IV of Ohrid/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs) 10:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I propose reviewing this article which I see has been waiting 8 months for review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First reading

In general, it is well-written and short, but its length is not material if little is known about him.

The lead is too short. Please add a few more sentences summarising the main body of text.
"He was born ..." Start the main text with his full name.
His date of death is contradictory as between the infobox and the opening part of the text.
"His uncle raised him ..." This sentence is rather long and would benefit from splitting.
"if Paul Gautier's dating of a letter he received from the philosopher Michael Italikos to Christmas 1142 is correct." I don't understand the reference to Christmas here.
"This title apparently fell into disuse ..." This sentence is also rather long and would benefit from dividing.
"The couple had four children, of which two died in young age" Perhaps "at a young age".
- That's all for now. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:50, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cwmhiraeth, a big thank you for taking this on. I think I have addressed the points you raised above. Can you give it another look? And of course, any suggestions for improvement, beyond GA requirements, is appreciated. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 13:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cplakidas: I am satisfied with your improvements and the expanded lead. I don't suppose there are any images available? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:39, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cwmhiraeth, unfortunately not, not even a seal of office or something similar that might serve the purpose. Constantine ✍ 20:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria

The article is well written and complies with MOS guidelines on prose and grammar, structure and layout.
The article uses several reliable third-party sources, and makes frequent citations to them. The sources are mostly not available to me and are accepted in good faith. I do not believe the article contains original research.
The article covers the main aspects of the subject and remains focussed.
The article is neutral.
The article is stable.
There are no images because none are available.

Final assessment - I believe this article reaches the GA criteria. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for taking the time, and for your suggestions. Constantine ✍ 10:23, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Query

Second sentence of the second paragraph in the "Monk and archbishop" section is a bit unclear. Based on googling Paul Gautier is a modern Byzantine scholar, but maybe that should be made clear in the article. Who is the he in "a letter he received from the philosopher Michael Italikos". Presumably John IV, but again not totally clear. If there is any further information about that letter it might be worth including, as it seems noteworthy that such a letter would have survived. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 19:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]