Talk:Jewish vegetarianism

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"Vegetarian" versus "plant-based"

This article is intended to be about the intersection of Judaism with vegetarianism. A recent edit introduced a link to the "Plant-based diet" article into this article's introductory paragraph (replacing the link to the Vegetarianism article that had been there) in a way that confuses the focus of this article. There is a substantial difference between vegetarianism and "Plant-based diet". Vegetarianism includes lacto-vegetarianism, ovo-vegetarianism, and lacto-ovo-vegetarianism. But the primary meaning of "Plant-based diet", according to the Plant-based diet article, is a diet that contains "few or no animal products", therefore few or no dairy or eggs. To reverse this move, I will change "plant-based diet" in the introductory paragraph to "vegetarian diet" and change the wikilink there back to a link to the Vegetarianism article. Mksword (talk) 05:33, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Removed paragraph on Christian sources

This page is about vegetarianism in Judaism. Matthew, James, and Jesus have no relevance to Judaism. I am therefore removing a paragraph which refers to them. Benjamin.chaim (talk) 16:08, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Update: (diff | hist) . . Jewish vegetarianism‎; 16:13 . . +1,474‎ . . ‎Jackfork (talk | contribs)‎ (Undid revision 875073655 by Benjamin.chaim (talk) Article is not only about Judaism.) I mean. The page is literally titled "Jewish vegetarianism." What else is it about?? Benjamin.Chaim 03:36, 24 December 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjamin.chaim (talk • contribs)

Requested move 3 May 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved, per well-reasoned comments by AjaxSmack — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:12, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish vegetarianism → Jewish Vegetarianism and Veganism – Jewish veganism and vegetarianism are both discussed within this article, and including them both in the title would follow the new scholarly book Jewish Veganism and Vegetarianism: Studies and New Directions, ed. Labendz and Yanklowitz. I don't think that there is enough material for separate Wikipedia articles on Jewish veganism and Jewish vegetarianism, and according to this book veganism and vegetarianism are intertwined. FrankKaplan (talk) 00:24, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support with two lower-cased 'v' (sentence case), and with redirects. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PRECISION and WP:UNDUE, i.e. the proposed title is overly precise and wordy and unduly gives weight to one subset of vegetarianism. Veganism is a either a subset or a synonym for vegetarianism. By definition, all vegans are vegetarians, so the existing title covers them (and the nominator acknowledges the two are "intertwined"). Additionally, there is no need to single out one vegetarian subset for attention while ignoring others (e.g. fruitarianism, pescetarianism), especially since none of these are covered specifically in this article. Finally, the current title is consistent with similar articles such as Christian vegetarianism and Buddhist vegetarianism that also cover veganism. — AjaxSmack 00:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

According to Jewish law, it is not acceptable for an individual to become a vegetarian if they do so because they believe in animal rights?

Another user is trying to make the claim on this page that "According to Jewish law, it is not acceptable for an individual to become a vegetarian if they do so because they believe in animal rights." I do not see any evidence that "Jewish law" says this or even that "most Jews" believe this. Better to say that "some Jews" believe this. So far the only evidence provided is an article from an Orthodox religious group's website by Rebbetzin Feige Twerski and Rabbi Shraga Simmons. This is a primary source and reflects the bias of the religious group that published it. From what I see at WP:BIASEDSOURCES, bias may make in-text attribution appropriate--so I've recommended "According to Rebbetzin Feige Twerski and Rabbi Shraga Simmons, it is not acceptable for an individual to become a vegetarian if they do so because they believe in animal rights." Can I get some help here with this section? MustavoBlankenhorn (talk) 21:31, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Aish website is not a primary source, but a secondary source. Your argument that religious websites are not reliable sources for information about religion, would be funny if it weren't so stupid. The only bias here is your POV and your unease with the fact that it is not according to the Jewish law. Sorry, but if anybody needs help here, it is to keep your POV from influencing good article writing. Debresser (talk) 01:27, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am a long-time reader but only a new editor, but I read the Wikipedia Project pages carefully before starting to edit. What I am sharing here is what was said on the Wikipedia project pages regarding Reliable Sources and Neutral Point of View. I am not claiming that "religious websites are not reliable sources for information about religion," but am following the guidelines at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples that "Websites and publications of political parties, religious groups, anti-religious groups, or any other partisan group, may exhibit bias and should be treated with caution. Neither political affiliation nor religious belief stated in these sources are in themselves a reason not to use them, as these websites can be used to present the viewpoints of these groups, if properly attributed." I am also following the guidelines at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Biased_or_opinionated_sources: "When dealing with a potentially biased source, editors should consider whether the source meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control, a reputation for fact-checking, and the level of independence from the topic the source is covering. Bias may make in-text attribution appropriate, as in "Feminist Betty Friedan wrote that..."; "According to the Marxist economist Harry Magdoff..."; or "Conservative Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater believed that..."." Here, "According to Rebbetzin Feige Twerski and Rabbi Shraga Simmons.." would match that, or "Some Jews believe that..." works. If on the other hand Jewish law is so clear on this subject just cite an academic secondary source. MustavoBlankenhorn (talk) 03:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

...or please demonstrate that aish.com "meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control, a reputation for fact-checking, and the level of independence from the topic the source is covering."MustavoBlankenhorn (talk) 03:48, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aish is for Judaism as a source what academic sources are for secular fields of study. Debresser (talk) 22:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What is your evidence for that? MustavoBlankenhorn (talk) 02:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry? I don't have to prove that. But consider it logically, and it will be rather evident. I mean, Judaism has its own professors. They are called rabbis. And Aish is a school o rabbis. In my native language a yeshiva is called a "university of the Talmud", e.g. Debresser (talk) 06:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]