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Decoded

This page is locked down. I wanted to link the first mention of Jay-Z's book to the wikipedia article on it. Someone with power should make that happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.183.13.16 (talk) 20:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Purported name change

I removed the "Knowles" from the subject's name. The reference given was a slideshow on HuffPo, which sourced the bit about this person to this, which in turn says A source told the Daily Star newspaper.... The Daily Star being this, which is unacceptable per WP:BLPSOURCES. This is how gossip loops are started, and often we are responsible for propagating them. This should stay off the article. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 18:36, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

If you look into the archive, I already explained that to someone a while ago. I guess they're back. Teammm ^talk
_email 03:11, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

If it gets to be a problem just report it to WP:BLP/N. I have it on my watchlist but I might miss it. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:21, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 July 2013

I would like to request that the editors please change this artist's name from "Jay-Z" to "Jay Z". He has officially removed the hyphen from his name. In support my request, please see , , and .

Thank You, Richard

Rgell esq (talk) 16:27, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See the discussion below. 786b6364 (talk) 15:51, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move (2013)

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The result of the move request was: no move (yet). -- tariqabjotu 15:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Jay-Z → Jay Z – Numerous reports from reliable sources (NME magazine, MTV) today that the artist known as Jay-Z wishes to drop the hyphen, in future being known as Jay Z. This move is non-controversial, but the article is move-locked to non-admins, so I've added this request. -- Marek.69 ^talk 22:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• Agreed, we should move this pronto. It's been the subject of sharing and discussion all day on the Internet. --Brandt Luke Zorn (talk) 22:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support move to Jay Z. Many reliable sources now confirm this. --Marek.69 ^talk 22:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
• Wait! Just because a press release has received a lot press does not necessarily mean it will become "the name by which the subject is most commonly known" (WP:FULLNAME). WP:COMMONNAME states: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." See also: WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Moving the article pre-emptively without waiting for reliable sources to adopt the new name verges on crystal balling. —sroc 💬 02:03, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - Definitely not the WP:COMMONNAME. A note about the new stylization can be mentioned in the lead, but the article title should remain "Jay-Z" no matter how he wants to style it. STATic message me! 07:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:COMMONNAME. A bit too soon to move the article so preemptively. I understand that the hyphen has apparently been dropped by Jay-Z and that there's a respectable amount of media coverage about it, but the more well-known stylization still includes the hyphen. Holiday56 (talk) 10:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

According to the Guardian article Jay Z dropped the hyphen in 2009 on The Blueprint 3, but "...no one seems to have noticed," -- Marek.69 ^talk 17:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

• Not yet - Let's make sure this isn't going to be ignored like the Snoop Lion name change was. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 17:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support move to JAY Z not Jay Z.--Launchballer 18:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about Jay Z but JAY Z definitely wouldn't ever be the common name. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 19:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, that's what the BBC says and, being from Britain, I trust them wholeheartedly.--Launchballer 20:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not blindly follow whatever the BBC says. —sroc 💬 00:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose any of the suggested moves, as the most common styling remains Jay-Z. WikiRedactor (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support Let's keep this article factually accurate. This cannot be compared to Snoop Dogg -> Snoop Lion, as has been done by editors above, as it's a stylisation change and not a complete change of name. UKWikiGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:38, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

It is comparable. Both are changes that affect their names. In both cases, we need to wait and see whether or not the change takes hold. Wikipedia reacts to, and does not pre-empt, what happens in the real world, not press releases. —sroc 💬 00:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It is in no way comparable. Changes of name are entirely different from complete changes of stylisation. Please also note that the hyphen is only used by some media outlets anyway, this recent change is just him acknowledging this is how his name should be. UKWikiGuy (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It is the same thing, and way too soon to be acting on and changing the name. See WP:COMMONNAME even with a google search of "Jay Z", the majority of reliable sources still use the hyphen. Do not start crying ownership when someone disagrees with you. STATic message me! 11:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but leaving a warning template on my talk page for changing the article smacks of article ownership. I made a single edit and broke not one Wikipedia rule. I suggest you read WP:PA and WP:AGF before responding to me, here or on the talk page, again. UKWikiGuy (talk) 14:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

He did not warn you or leave any template, he just asked you nicely to discuss the edit. You might wanna see WP:OWN for the definition of that. As far as I can tell he has hardly ever even edited the article, you are just taking it way too personal. No one is making any type of personal attacks, which is pretty obvious so stop making accusations. STATic message me! 15:15, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose Per all of the above comments. In any case, I think (although this is only my take on it and constitutes OR, so please don't take it as fact) that Joe Levy and the journalists who read his tweet may have misinterpreted the information he was given. Jay-Z has been labelled on various music stores as JAY Z for several years now yet no one batted an eyelid, and various reliable sources have happily reported his name as Jay-Z. Quite why his label is reporting that he has dropped the hyphen now, considering that they decide how his music is labelled, and no one has requested a change since his labelling changed, is a mystery. It seems to be as if, say, there is a black cat in a completely white room that everyone can see but no one says that it's there – and only now has someone said that the cat is there. Excuse the analogy, but I'm trying to say that he has been labelled like this for a while and it's only now that someone has said "hey, his label is labelling things differently!" that people are saying a change is necessary. (The album cover for Magna Carta... Holy Grail, meanwhile, could not have been less helpful in sorting out this issue, considering the position of the black stripe.) I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

The correct phrase is elephant in the room. This controversy is exactly why the stripe is there; to help fan the flames. From a cynical point of view, this is exactly why that album is at #1. What I will say is this; if they have labelled it on music stores for so long, why aren't we? Either he is intending to change it permanently, in which we need to wait for a bit (actions speak louder than words) or he is planning on using the terms interchangeably, in which case we have a bit of a problem. Either way; the change has been announced, so (in my opinion at least) we need to react to it.--Launchballer 16:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

However, we do not just act on a whim when artists make stylization changes to their names. I am extremely positive that most reliable sources in the article and online use "Jay-Z" rather than "Jay Z". Even after the announcement some sources still use "Jay-Z" which as of today is the clear WP:COMMONNAME. It is kind of interesting though that iTunes changed every "Jay-Z" album to "JAY Z" and his name has been billed as JAY Z since his featurings on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Still though, Jay-Z is the most easily recognizable common name for the artist. STATic message me! 18:23, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

It's not really a whim. I call it the straw that broke the camel's back.--Launchballer 23:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose For now. As pointed out above, this is a press release or whatever, no indication that it will stick. Rightly so, Wikipedia reacts, not preempts. Let's just make a note of it in the article and wait a while. I typically !vote on move requests to match the artist's preferred naming convention but it's too soon IMO to make a call on this one. In any case, there's no difference right now between Wikipedia and the myriad of other sources that use the previous stylization. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 21:18, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support. I'd usually oppose, but the name change isn't much of a different. He just removed a hyphen.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 18:30, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
  • It should be noted that while the media is reporting that removing the hyphen is new, it isn't. It wasn't used back in 2011 for Watch the Throne either. And iTunes has had without the hyphen for as long as I can remember.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 18:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose Per WP:COMMONNAME, his name has been spelled with a hyphen through most of his career, a recent change is not enough to establish it as the most commonly used one. 2Flows (talk) 22:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per Marcus Qwertyus. Let's see if reliable sources consistently ditch the hyphen going forward. A batch of recent news articles about his announcement isn't much to go by. Only time will tell if Snoop Lion or Metta World Peace is the better analog. --BDD (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

See also

Whatever the result of the above, please also keep an eye on related articles such as:

• Jay-Z discography
• List of awards and nominations received by Jay-Z
• Jay-Z–Nas feud
• The Black Album (Jay-Z album)
• Jay-Z: Unplugged
• Glory (Jay-Z song)
• Kingdom Come (Jay-Z album)
• Unfinished Business (Jay-Z and R. Kelly album)
• and so on. —sroc 💬 08:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Note that the titles of pre-existing works such as Jay-Z: Unplugged will not change retrospectively even if his name subsequently does. —sroc 💬 00:39, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

References

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Edit request on 19 July 2013

Hello, due to the recent change of "Jay-Z being changed to "Jay Z" (hyphen being removed), I feel it is required to help other users by editing out all hyphens associated in the article.

cheers 109.154.239.94 (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See the discussion above. Teammm ^talk
_email 21:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

JAY Z is the factually correct way of spelling his name. There is no need to attain consensus amongst editors as it is widely reported as factual. A simple google search will help you understand. UKWikiGuy (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia goes by the WP:COMMONNAME used by reliable sources. At present, most reliable sources still refer to him as "Jay-Z", except for making reference to this latest story. Things may change if "Jay Z" or "JAY Z" becomes the mainstream way his name is used in reliable sources, but it isn't yet and Wikipedia does not pre-empt what may or may not happen. Refer to the #Requested move discussion above and do not push for this change in the article until a consensus is reached. —sroc 💬 01:11, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

"... factually correct ... a simple google search ..." -- ROTFLMAO! It's nice to see someone with a sense of humor. Oh, wait ... you weren't joking, were you. Well, it's still hilarious. -- 71.102.128.42 (talk) 04:49, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Rolling Stone greatest albums

Looking at the Rolling Stone list, I found that The Black Album is also listed at No. 349, but is not mentioned in the article's intro.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 09:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Unless you mean the Black Album's article, its omission is justified.--Launchballer 09:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Beyonce Knowles listed as "spouse"

Spouse: Beyonce Knowles 99.185.57.215 (talk) 21:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. The article already says he is married to her. RudolfRed (talk) 21:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Decoded book assault charge reference

In his book Decoded, Jay-Z addresses his assault case. While he didn't apologize for his actions, he did express regret that the incident happened and attributed it to a loss of control, saying that there was no reason for him to get into a situation that put him and people who depended on him at risk. He also vowed to never get involved in a similar situation again.[citation needed]

This is referenced in the book on pages 160 through 166. The last sentence there is found nearly verbatim om page 166.

http://books.google.com/books?id=l2i0F2kSwwUC&lpg=PP1&dq=Decoded%2C%20Jay-Z&pg=PT166#v=snippet&q=vowed&f=false

Bendorfm (talk) 17:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Jay Z not Jay-Z

He changed his name to "Jay Z" (just Google "jay z hyphen" or something and you'll see), so someone should go through and remove the hyphen from every page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.177.252 (talk) 06:02, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

See the requested move above and WP:COMMONNAME, Wikipedia does not change/adjust itself to artists preference. STATic message me! 06:14, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 September 2013

At the top, second paragraph ... "has a minority stake in NBA's Brooklyn Nets" should be removed.

Jay-Z no longer has a minority stake in NBA's Brooklyn Nets.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9633845/jason-kidd-buy-stake-brooklyn-nets-jay-z

Hadron33 (talk) 07:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done STATic message me! 14:40, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Alternative hip hop

Isn't he one of the alternative hip hop rappers alongside Kayne West? 31.59.63.124 (talk) 01:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Name change.

Apparently he's dropped the hyphen between Jay and Z according to this article.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/jay-z-kanye-watch-the-throne-2.html Bumblebritches57 (talk) 03:35, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Please see the discussions above for more information on why the article title remains Jay-Z. STATic message me! 03:58, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Associated Acts: Coldplay

Coldplay should be listed as an associated act. They two have recorded music together, and held a joint concert on December 31, 2012 at Barclays Center. In addition, Jay Z and Chris Martin are well known friends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.229.241.120 (talk) 19:50, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Doing one or two songs together, performing a single concert together and being friends does not mean they get to be listed there. See Template: Infobox musical artist#Associated Acts for more information on what constitutes inclusion. STATic message me! 21:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Kennedy Fried Chicken

Hi folks, could we adds this early years info:

Jay-Z worked at the Kennedy Fried Chicken in his New York City neighborhood.[1] [2]

That's after he left selling and when he became straight (legit).

He did this work and in spare time was also involved in local raps.

KptnKangaroo (talk) 15:21, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2013

Jay-Z's name should be changed to Shawn Corey Knowles-Carter. Both he and Beyonce changed their names upon marriage. (Source: http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2009/12/23/beyonce_knowles_name_change/) This is reflected on Beyonce's wikipedia page, but not Jay-Z's, which is frankly a bit sexist. La-via-lattea (talk) 18:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Done makes sense to me ~ Boomur [☎] 21:06, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Apologies but I undid your edit. This has been discussed before and it ultimately proved impossible to source reliably. The subject's reps have also contacted OTRS asking that this be removed as untrue (which makes sense because you will not find a single statement by him or his wife to this effect). Of course if User:La-via-lattea or anyone else has such a source, I'm sure we can take a look at it. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 04:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

thanks, that's my bad! should have done a bit more research first, i suppose. ~ Boomur [☎] 20:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

"which is frankly a bit sexist" -- No, the presence of an erroneous change on one page but not another is obviously not even remotely sexist. -- 71.102.128.42 (talk) 05:13, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2014

disambiguation

This article needs a disambiguation page link. I was directed to it when I typed "Magna Carta tour". Where I wanted to go was a Wikipedia article (maybe non-existent) on the World tour of the actual Magna Carta document which currently resides in Lincoln Cathedral. For information on the tour, go to(http://magnacarta800th.com/magna-carta-today/2015-aspirations/)then scroll down to events and exhibitions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelson4P (talk • contribs) 16:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

IP

Hey, can you check who's these users Proxy account? Thanks! :)

Users --> Cherryberrryrogue and Armando Commando

Thx! :)

IP

Hey, can you check who's these users Proxy account? Thanks! :)

Users --> Cherryberrryrogue and Armando Commando

Thx! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.143.205.162 (talk) 06:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposed move (2014)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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• Jay-Z → Jay Z
• Jay-Z discography → Jay Z discography
• List of songs recorded by Jay-Z → List of songs recorded by Jay Z
• Holy Grail (Jay-Z song) → Holy Grail (Jay Z song)
• Oceans (Jay-Z song) → Oceans (Jay Z song)
• List of awards and nominations received by Jay-Z → List of awards and nominations received by Jay Z

– I opposed the first proposed move as premature but secondary sources have since gravitated to Jay Z's preference. Only Jay-Z: [3]; Mostly Jay Z: [4] [5]; only Jay Z: [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 21:25, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose, perhaps this has become a more recent trend, but the most common styling throughout his career remains Jay-Z. WikiRedactor (talk) 22:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Policy allows for name changes if common usage changes. WP:UCN: "If the subject of an article changes its name, it is reasonable to consider the usage since the change." It is what allows Chelsea Manning's page name to change. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 02:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose — There was a recent RM where the consensus overwhelming was for not moving the article. The stylization is very inconsistent since its "change" in July 2014 and is definitely not the only way his name is stylized to this day. See [13][14] and [15] among others. Clearly the most known and WP:COMMONNAME is Jay-Z. STATic message me! 02:10, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
  • So I'm not sure how I'm supposed to believe "Jay-Z" is "clearly the most known" name. I just see a bunch of cherry-picked sources. The ones I offered came from Google Alerts and represent actual usage. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 02:35, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

He was known as "Jay-Z" for his entire career until July 2013 and has now been "officially" known as "Jay Z" for less than a year. WP:RECENTISM applies. I provided reliable sources from today and yesterday to demonstrate that he is not just referred to as "Jay Z" now, and it is still about 50/50 in usage overall. Even if it was not, his commonly known name throughout the notable portion of his life time is Jay-Z. STATic message me! 02:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Read above^^ reply. You have not demonstrated "50/50" usage. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 03:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support I think essentially WP:COMMONNAME is almost toss-up right now, with inconsistency between sources and even within articles in recent press. However, what's making me lean support is that the quality of sources favouring unhyphenated (e.g. from the nom, CBS news, Washington Post) as well as their apparent quantity, though it is surprising that sources are still using both variants in the same article (e.g. UK press: Independent, BBC). Also FWIW Google trends shows a growing trend towards the unhyphenated version, and increasingly fewer searches for the hyphenated version. benmoore 23:21, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

  Thinking more about this, maybe Google Trends isn't really distinguishing between "Jay-Z" and "Jay Z" in the same way that a Google search will return both for either query. benmoore 09:28, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. See Google Ngram --Երևանցի ^talk 00:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
• Support. Citing Ngrams, which do not cover the most recent years, is particularly misguided. I see not even the slightest reason to ignore what sources are now starting to call him when it's not even his real name. He should be able to decide the stylization of his own name, and sources are apparently following it. Red Slash 04:12, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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Edit to Grammy awards

Hi, the introductory section of this page says that Jay Z has 17 Grammy wins, but according to the separate Wikipedia page for his awards, he has won 19 Grammy awards. Please make the appropriate change. 2601:9:7E00:262:3C42:619C:DE74:B235 (talk) 20:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Should info on Blue Ivy be included?

Blue Ivy is a minor who is not notable other than her parents. Should her name and date of birth (even though it is well documented) be included in this article, because it would seem to contradict with Wikipedia's guidelines on this? I'm confused. Twyfan714 (talk) 01:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Blue's name has been widely disseminated in the media and her date of birth too by reliable sources. I could understand how one might have a problem with Blue having her own article per WP:NOTINHERITED, but it seems fine to mention her in this article. ShawntheGod (talk) 09:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

PSA

I can't edit this, but in the first sentence of the politics section it says "In 2006, Jay-Z appeared with Russell Simmons in a PSA combatting racism"

There's no need to abbreviate "PSA" - it's an Americanism that a sizeable percentage of people outside America won't understand - so this should really be spelled out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.17.69 (talk) 10:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Solange and the elevator

It may be too soon but I'm leaning towards adding a paragraph on the Solange Knowles assault, that said, I'd be interested in the opinions of others. SPACKlick (talk) 13:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

The article is about him, not her, and she wasn't charged. -- 71.102.128.42 (talk) 05:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Jay-Z's Last Name Change

Jay-Z officially changed his name to Shawn Knowles-Carter after marrying Beyonce Knowles-Carter. The last name was changed on her page and not his, please fix!

No, he didn't (nor did she). -- 71.102.128.42 (talk) 05:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Jay-Z's Last Name Change

Jay-Z officially changed his name to Shawn Knowles-Carter after marrying Beyonce Knowles-Carter. The last name was changed on her page and not his, please fix! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aroram72 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2014

In November of 2013 he released his first fragrance, simply called "Gold by Jay Z". This amazing Men's cologne is a new standard of measure. A fragrance blended with the brightness of grapefruit and ginger warmed with cardamom, a heart of masculine vetiver and a base of rich amber and smoky myrrh, smoothed with teak wood and bourbon vanilla. - Website: http://jayzgold.com/#/home Ybeeds (talk) 17:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. WP:PRIMARY sources such as Jay-Z's own website are not considered reliable. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 18:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

(ec) Not done: Expanding on Technical 13's response: this is an article about Jay-Z, not a venue for advertising products. If you want to capture the portion of this which belongs in a biography in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail and find a reliable source to support it, you can reopen this request. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 18:39, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

vandalism report

i doubt its true that he is a member of an antisemitic "religion" that says white people are inherently evil eugenics experiments gone wrong who swarmed mecca and were banished to west asia as another article in the wiki claims.(talk)

edit- huh, apparently he DOES wear their symbol from time to time. thats odd. nevermind i guess(talk)

He says he is, they say he isn't. The situation is odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.135.124.94 (talk) 21:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2014

The line from the "Early Life" section:

"The moniker is also an homage to his musical mentor, Jaz-O, as well as to the J/Z subway services that have a stop at Marcy Avenue in Brooklyn.[22]"

is inaccurate and unsupported by the cited source. That the stage name Jay-Z is an homage to the J/Z subway lines is an urban myth, and is not mentioned at all in the linked biography on AllMusic. Every external mention of it on the web links back to this erroneous wiki entry. Furthermore, it is directly contradicted by this Daily News article from 2009:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story-origins-jay-z-myth-mta-cuts-article-1.435344

I'd like to request that the second half of that line be stricken.

Seniorexec (talk) 00:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Done Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 22:20, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

Should this page not be moved to Jay Z as he has changed his stage name and dropped the hyphen from his name. CHall2002 (talk) 09:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

See Talk:Jay-Z#Proposed move (2014) and Talk:Jay-Z#Requested move (2013). STATic message me! 21:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2014

184.152.17.217 (talk) 05:47, 10 October 2014 (UTC) Flimography

• Streets Is Watching (1998)
• Backstage (2000)
• State Property (2002)
• Paper Soldiers (2002)
• Fade To Black (2004)
• Made In America (2013, documentary)
• On The Run Tour (2014, TV Movie documentary)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.
If you want to suggest a change, please do not expect us to play "spot the difference" it appears you want someone to add "On The Run Tour (2014, TV Movie documentary)" but this is not mentioned in the article.
Please request changes in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". - Arjayay (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2014

Under the associated acts add Lenny Kravits since they did a song together. 2602:301:7765:5CF0:4C4E:C62D:95FC:B1BD (talk) 00:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 01:52, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Removed. Per Template:Infobox_musical_artist#associated_acts one-time collaborations shouldn't be included. -- Calidum 02:08, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

New business deal

He recently bought out and became the owner of armand de brignac (aces of spades) champagne: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29928824?ocid=socialflow_twitter --ThirdWard (Lolcakes25) (talk) 19:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Five Percent Nation

The Personal Life/Criticisms section should likely mention his association with Five Percent Nation and the resulting controversy (because the group is widely considered racist). It's probably the most widely-cited criticism against the man & has been featured in a number of news outlets. HuffPo, NY Post, International Business Times, Daily Mail as well as less-known places [16] [17]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:B083:F400:B890:38D:C886:3E87 (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I did actually include this in the article, though somebody seems to have reverted my edit at some point--DJK (talk) 15:37, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Clarification

I have reverted an edit at List of Filipino Americans, that made the claim, using a student association page as a source, that the subject of this article is a multiracial Filipino American. I do not find any other sources making the claim, therefore I reverted the change per WP:BURDEN. Can I please get some confirmation that the source is wrong. I will also inform WP:RSN about this discussion.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes there is minor amount of focusing, so yes we will need a better source. VandVictory (talk) 14:38, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposed move (2015)

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The result of the move request was: move all. -- tariqabjotu 07:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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• Jay-Z → Jay Z
• Jay-Z discography → Jay Z discography
• List of songs recorded by Jay-Z → List of songs recorded by Jay Z
• Holy Grail (Jay-Z song) → Holy Grail (Jay Z song)
• Oceans (Jay-Z song) → Oceans (Jay Z song)
• List of awards and nominations received by Jay-Z → List of awards and nominations received by Jay Z

– Recent news results show a definite trend toward the unhyphenated version prefered by Jay Z. Jay Z, [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32]; Jay-Z, [33] [34] [35] [36] [37]. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 02:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Support. The artist has been using this name as far back as 2011, the new styling appears to be more common in sources since then, and it's not significantly different from "Jay-Z" that current usage overriding previous common usage is an issue. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
• Support per: 11,600,000 Bing results for "jay z" and 4,590,000 Bing results for "jay-z", and iTunes bils him as the former Bing result, but in all caps. IPadPerson (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

• Just in case you weren't aware, please see What a search test can do, and what it can't. I never take search results for granted. Better to go through Google Books and hand-count returns. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

• Support: The hyphenation does not follow ordinary WP:HYPHEN conventions, and Wikipedia has a preference for avoiding stylizations that don't resemble ordinary English. Since the non-hyphenated use also seems to be more common (per the comments above) and trending more in that direction, this seems like an easy decision. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
• Support - This is a strange one as I've always used the hyphen in his name ... But if people and the media don't use the hyphen then I'll guess we'll have to lose it. –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 05:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
• Weak oppose, the general public still appears to prefer the hyphen. ONR (talk) 20:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

• I don't necessarily think that is true, however, the title should be based on reliable sources, not the general public. Please see WP:COMMONNAME. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 02:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose hyphen has been used for most of his career and isn't just a stylization. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:UCN: "If the name of a person, group, object, or other article topic changes, then more weight should be given to the name used in reliable sources published after the name change than in those before the change." Same with Chelsea Manning. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:01, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

The omission is, as STATicVapor described it, WP:Recentism. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

• Support all per WP:CONSISTENCY - we allow subjects to choose how they like their name to be stylized, in general. Red Slash 04:57, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
• Support per my comments on the RM this time last year, seems to have been cememented as common name since then per the evidence presented above. Ben Moore (talk) 11:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
• Support I frankly think it's ridiculous that last year's request failed. The vast majority of reliable sources are now omitting the hyphen. "Most of his career" is irrelevant; the new form is more prevalent now. Krychek (talk) 20:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

• See WP:Recentism Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Go on...Mark Schierbecker (talk) 05:05, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

The omission is recentism because, as STATicVapor stated last year, He was known as "Jay-Z" for his entire career until July 2013. Also, sources from both after and before that period use the hyphen. Those include recent posts from Variety and Philadelpha Daily News. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Wrong. Jay Z has been known without the hyphen since 2010. [38] Where are your sources for after the name change? And not just cherrypicked sources. Why do you think the recentism essay has authority over the article title policy? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

• Support per nom. It's not recentism anymore, relative to the length of the subject's career. bd2412 T 03:18, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2015

Add this sentence to "business career" section:

"In 2014, Jay Z has acquired Armand de Brignac Champagne from Sovereign Brands. The brand is known for it's popularity with high profile artists as being the gold bottles often referred to in media."

Source: http://dealbook.nytimes.com//2014/11/05/jay-z-acquires-luxury-champagne-brand-armand-de-brignac/?_r=0

The brands wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_de_Brignac#cite_ref-jayzaq_2-0 Godkingthoth (talk) 08:28, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Done -Anupmehra -Let's talk! 11:23, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2015

Jay-Z's mother makes claims that she did not feel pain while giving birth to Jay-z, signifying she knew he would be special and the literal anti-anti-christ. If that makes cents.

Yammylin (talk) 23:01, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RudolfRed (talk) 23:08, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Even if there's a source, it sounds like trivia anyway. Stickee (talk) 23:10, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Adding Mariah Carey to associated acts?

YES STOP BEING A FAHGHOT, DELETED ORG COMMENT SO YOU CANT EVEN SEE IT. IT WAS SOME GAY-ASS FAG SHIT NE-WAYS.

Carter and Mariah Carey reunited in 2002 to record "You Got Me" for her 2002 effort Charmbracelet after they both coincidentally released their last records Glitter and The Blueprint on September 11, 2001. As Mariah Carey left Virgin Records America after a $100+ million deal that went nowhere, she signed with Def Jam Recordings in 2002, a label that a past peer coincidentally is also signed to.

L.A. Reid whom was temporarily the CEO of the label was struggling, needed advice from Mariah for what he had to do for Def Jam's success:

“Coming into the label [Def Jam] and really sort of reading the tea leaves, I knew that I needed help. You know, I got the advice from Mariah Carey. I asked her, ’What should I do?’ She said, ’Hire Jigga!'”

He continued, “She said, ’You know there’s only one person?’ I was like ’Who?’ She said, ’Jay Z.'”.

Thanks to Mariah Carey's advice, L.A. Reid temporarily stepped down as CEO of Def Jam and hired Jay Z in 2004, whom founded success with the acts of Kanye West and Rihanna. In 2008, Carey and Jay Z once again collaborated on a remix of "Bye Bye" that was a moderate hit.

I believe that Mariah Carey should definitely be included in Jay Z's associated acts list, because of their huge friendship. troublednbored (talk) 00:57, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2016

In the area discussing his arrest he's referred to as Jay-Z at one point but Jay Z throughout the rest of the paragraph. I would suggest removing the hyphen there cause how much a dick-rider I am.

Ammerique (talk) 08:22, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:51, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Combatting anti-semitism?

In 2006, Jay Z appeared with Russell Simmons in a PSA combatting racism and anti-Semitism organized by the Foundation for Ethnic Understanding.

Really, he was "combatting anti-semitism"? In other words Jay Z was advocating discrimination against Jews? Is that really what the writer intended? (rather than riding his d*ck like a $3 hooker) Skinsmoke (talk) 14:46, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Be Bold and feel free to rephrase it. Karst (talk) 14:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Combatting means "take action to reduce, destroy, or prevent", so his position was against anti-Semitism. I think the wording is clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.241.73 (talk) 08:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

If Jay z getting money on that can he give me a little bit Naxion (talk) 23:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Split discography into albums discography, songs discography and videography"?

There is a discussion at Talk:Jay_Z_discography#Split about whether or not to split Jay Z discography into Jay Z albums discography, Jay Z songs discography and Jay Z videography. Please feel free to respond or comment at the link listed above. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

It's vs. its error

A sentence in the penultimate paragraph in the Magna Carta Holy Grail section reads: "The song and it's accompanying album would later win three Grammy Awards including Best R&B Performance at the 2015 ceremony."

It should read: "The song and its accompanying album would later win three Grammy Awards including Best R&B Performance at the 2015 ceremony." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Limesix6 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2017

184.89.61.128 (talk) 20:12, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Jay z has 3 kids from homosexual in-vitro therapy.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:53, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 19 June 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. There is consensus for a move to Jay-Z. There is no consensus for the all caps version. Because this page is move protected I will request this close be implemented at WP:RM/TR (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

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Jay Z → Jay-Z – Confirmed by a Roc Nation rep that he has gone back to the hyphenated "Jay-Z" from "Jay Z". Jennica✿ / ^talk 19:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support per return to its use, and he probably has been known by this for much longer than without the hyphen anyway. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Support; what about in all caps, JAY-Z? CB19 (talk) 21:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Support, if the news report says so, then I believe it. But I against capitalizing it, as "JAY" has not been proven to stand for anything. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:E471:FB5:DF1E:FF87 (talk) 01:45, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Support, put it as JAY-Z because even the Medaows Festival (New York City) has his name as JAY-Z which slightly confirms it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.56.65.173 (talk) 02:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose - The back & fourth naming, capitlising, decapitalising is all just ridiculous, It wouldn't surprise me if in 3 years time he changes his name to Bob!, Regardless the back & fourth moving is as I said ridiculous so on that basis it should stay, The sources seem to be a mixture of everything ... probably because no one knows what to call him ..... Oppose. –Davey2010^Talk 03:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support - Having slept on it I essentially agree with Snuggums the singer will always and forever be known with the hyphen so as per COMMONNAME it should be moved back however I will say that regardless of future name changes the article should stay as it is regardless of what he does with the name (decapitalise, de-hyphen etc etc), –Davey2010^Talk 12:19, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

• Support Jay-Z (hyphenated); oppose JAY-Z (all-caps). COMMONNAME should reflect popular usage, and if popular usage changes every time the artist chooses to change the styling of his name, then so be it. Readers will always be able to find the article with no hassle, as all variants will redirect to whatever the current title is. Chase (talk | contributions) 01:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2017

Add: Jay Z will release his 13th solo album, 4:44, on June 30th 2017. Veryinformed (talk) 22:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

In addition, "2012–present" should be changed to "2012–16" and the section for 4:44 should have the heading "2017–present: 4:44". 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:E471:FB5:DF1E:FF87 (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: Wikipedia prefers to wait until announced projects are actually released. If the album is actually released in nine days, then it will undoubtedly get added. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:30, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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