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IllinoisHomepage.com?

Not really sure why those are featured so prominently in the article. Is there any reason why it shouldn't be worded a bit more neutrally? Nomader (talk) 22:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2018

Change "Pritzker is a supporter of abortion" to

"Pritzker is a supporter of a woman's right to choose to seek . . . " or something like that. I don't think anyone really "supports abortion" per se. Narumdr (talk) 23:51, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Semi-protection expired Hhkohh (talk) 09:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Bar Mitvah deleted

Just for the record, I think that the location of his (anyone's) bar mitzvah is too personal, so deleted it; I then mistakenly wrote that I did so as seeking a more NPOV (after having forgotten to note it at all, being actually the previous edit's deletion. (Must be too tired to Wiki, so goodnight,)Lindenfall (talk) 00:14, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2018

J. B. Pritzker is the governor of Illinois. 73.56.115.104 (talk) 01:46, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

J.B. Pritzker is NOT the governor of Illinois. He is the governor-elect. He will not take office until January.2600:1700:3051:C680:75C2:5D4F:2324:B80A (talk) 02:34, 7 November 2018 (UTC)JasonBux

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 05:55, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 7 January 2019

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 23:21, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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J. B. Pritzker → JB Pritzker – "J.B." are not the subject's initials, therefore it is not technically correct to list him as such. His name is stylized as "JB" Pritzker. I propose that we move "J.B. Pritzker" to "JB Pritzker" and leave a redirect at "J.B.". Strikerforce^Talk 20:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

• Here are sources that point to the lack of periods between the letters J and B in his name. His Twitter account and his campaign website. A majority of news outlets incorrectly use "J.B.", unfortunately, which is something that his team has so far chosen not to correct. However, since we are an encyclopedia, we should use what is in use by his verified web presence. Strikerforce^Talk 21:03, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support, per nom, and subject's correct name. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:25, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose It appears to still be initials, possibly for Jay Bob rather than Jay Robert. Stylization on his campaign site is not indicative of it being his "correct name" rather than a style choice because a logo might not look as nice with periods. His profile on his own company's website and his family charity use "J.B.", as do virtually all Google News results so per WP:COMMONNAME I'd like actual sources that they are "incorrect" rather just differing in style. Reywas92^Talk 01:15, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support - convincing evidence that the way the subject presents their name is without the periods. -- Netoholic @ 04:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose – MOS:SPACEINITS / MOS:TM – the subject sometimes uses the dots himself, and the suggested styling is not the ordinary form in English. —BarrelProof (talk) 11:04, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per the subject’s own use and use in reliable sources. Calidum 19:06, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose There is evidence of both presentations of the initials, but the more normal way in which a reader would seek the initials is with the periods, IMO.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per reasons raised by Reywas92 and BarrelProof. J.B. comes from Jay Bob (the diminutive of his actual middle name Robert). They are his first and middle initial. The use of no initials on Twitter makes sense. Twitter has character limits.--Mpen320 (talk) 18:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Character limits wouldn't matter here. I'm referring to how his name is displayed on the account bio, as well as how it is displayed on his campaign website. It would also not surprise me to see his gubernatorial website display "JB" rather than "J.B.". Strikerforce^Talk 14:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose simply because Wikipedia has guidelines to follow for this. 144.85.240.106 (talk) 22:54, 9 January 2019 (UTC).
• The "J.B." may be initials for "Joe Bob"; "Bob" is a common pet-form for "Robert". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support since Pritzker seems to stylize his own name as JB. As others have mentioned, it is likely short for "Jay Bob" (making J.B. correct in some sense) but across Pritzker's campaign website and Twitter page, he uses "JB". (In fact, on JB's own website, he stylizes his wife's name as "M.K." with the periods, while writing his own as JB.) Generally, I think we should spell an individual's name the way they would spell it themselves. Although standard practice on Wikipedia seems to be to change an initial-based first name to include periods whether or not the person in question spells it that way (JB Smoove, for example), that trend is sometimes broken (see PJ Harvey). Additionally, publications that use "J.B." may be using the periods only because their style guides require it. Flop453 (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support This is consistently how the individual has styled his name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.133.87.128 (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
• It should be noted that his official page on the State of Illinois website has his first name stylized sans periods. Strikerforce^Talk 18:51, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support Agree with those above who note that this is how he has consistently styled his name. Additionally, it is how the name is styled on his biographical page on the governor's official website. Micbb (talk) 18:55, 14 January 2019 (UTC)micbb
  • Does not explain links above from his company and foundation. His signature as seen in the second photo here does include periods, so "consistently" is false I think the case should be closed. Reywas92^Talk 20:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

*Support The official State of Illinois website lists him as "JB" not "J.B.". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.133.87.128 (talk) 19:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC) Striking duplicate comment by same IP address. Reywas92^Talk 20:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose As demonstrated by user:Reywas92 he himself inconsistently uses JB and J.B. It is thus logical to use the standard version with points. -- fdewaele, 14 January 2019, 23:13 CET.

References

• Oppose Verbatim: per user:Reywas92 he himself inconsistently uses JB and J.B. so use the standard version with points. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:08, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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Based on the photo of JB signing his name “J.B” earlier, I rescind my support. Flop453 (talk) 23:25, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

That doesn't address the elephant in the room. Why does someone named Jay Robert use the initials J B? Never mind he periods. I can't find anywhere that addresses that obvious question. Venqax (talk) 21:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Because the answer is obvious, and does not need discussion. It stands for "Bob", which is a synonym for Robert. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Birthplace

Can someone find a reliable source for Pritzker's birthplace? The article now claims with no proof that he was born in Atherton, which is in fact where he was raised. However, it previously said he was born in Santa Clara County, located several miles to the south. Atherton has no major hospitals, while Santa Clara County does. PerhapsXarb (talk) 08:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Pritzker was born at the Palo-Alto-Stanford Hospital Center in Palo Alto, California. The astrodatabank.com website is an astrology website that collects birth certificates and according to this website, his birth certificate says he was born in Palo Alto, California. Vulcanisaplanet (talk) 00:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Isn't Atherton PART of Palo Alto? MaynardClark (talk) 00:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Atherton is not part of Palo Alto. Atherton is a separate town located in San Mateo County, California, and is adjacent to but not part of Palo Alto. Although they are close geographically and share some similarities in terms of demographics and lifestyle, they are separate municipalities with their own government, schools, and services.MaynardClark (talk) 00:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

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Second wealthiest ever, after Mike Bloomberg?

Are we seriously making no mention of Donald Trump? I know there is some debate over how much money he had when he took office, $8 billion (what he claimed) or $3 billion (what skeptics have claimed), but surely he was plausibly wealthier than Pritzker when he took office. (Forbes estimates he was worth $3.5 to $4 billion.) And how about Nelson Rockefeller, a billionaire in 1960s dollars? I'm not sure in which year he first was a billionaire, but even if it was $1 billion even in 1973, that's $6 in today's money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8806:1000:1E7:1162:D03F:48D8:B5A8 (talk) 15:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It needs a citation, but Forbes estimates that Pritzker is worth more than Trump, yes. And the sentence says it's not taking inflation into account. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:36, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It is deeply, deeply misleading to not take inflation into account when making wealth comparisons across decades; the claim should be removed. --JBL (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Photo

Nerd217's suggested photo

Andrew nyr accused me of edit-warring, but I suggest he look at the page's history first. Anyway, I thought I should initiate a discussion here, since another fellow by the name of TDKR Chicago 101 would also like to change the photo. I dislike it because it does not look serious. Wikipedia is neither a tabloid nor a satirical publication. Regardless of what editors think of the subject of this article, there ought to be a serious photo. I agree that the older one before TDKR made the change was not great, so I picked this one. Nerd271 (talk) 15:57, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: The user was edit warring with user:TDKR Chicago 101 over which photo in the infobox. I requested the page be protected (which it was) and this user continued changing the photo. I left him an edit warring notice and requested that he obtain consensus on the talk page before continuing. This is not the first time the user has been accused of edit warring going as far to have investigations opened at WP:AN3 with 2 separate instances of blocks. Thanks, Andrew nyrtalkcontribs 16:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: Andrew nyr is trying to poison the well here. Previous incidents involving yours truly need not be relevant here. Nerd271 (talk) 16:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

  I would like to share that I have no stake over what photo is used. I just got involved after the edit war started. Andrew nyrtalkcontribs 16:50, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

  If you would like to be viewed as a third and neutral party, try not to throw shade on other people. Nerd271 (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

• The photo currently in the article is a much better photo than the photo in this section -- his face is illuminated and clearly visible, rather than mostly in shadow. --JBL (talk) 15:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101, Andrew nyr, and JayBeeEll: I see that the old photo has been restored. Nerd271 (talk) 04:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

TDKR Chicago 101, I have once again reverted this. This is a continuation of an edit war, please refrain from changing the photo again. Thanks, Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 05:09, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Oops, I meant to tag Nerd271 please just leave the photo. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 05:11, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@Andrew nyr: We should invite Admiral Farmer for a discussion. Nerd271 (talk) 05:29, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

COVID-19 Response

Over the past week, Illinois has been second in COVID-19 deaths, and has had the highest per capita death rate of any large state. Several times in the past month, a new record has been broken in deaths. This has attracted considerable attention from the media, and the COVID-19 section should be updated to include this, as seems to have not been changed since early March.

References

New suggested photo (December 2021)

I would like to offer this photo as a suggestion for a replacement of the current photo. This photo is his official portrait, and his face is more clearly visible. This photo is also more serious than the one currently being utilized by the article. aaronneallucas (talk) 01:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

File:Governor Pritzker official portrait.jpg

Aaronneallucas's suggestion for a new article photo

Read WP:IUPC. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 07:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

New suggested photo (Sept. 2022)

This might work. As far as Commons is concerned, this is free. Taken in 2021, this looks a lot more official and satisfactory for portraits.
File:Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker.jpg
InvadingInvader (talk) 21:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

no replies...gonna be bold and add it InvadingInvader (talk) 22:35, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2022

Correct main photo caption to reflect year taken. "Pritzker in 2019" corrected to "Pritzker in 2021" Ricecakedance (talk) 01:20, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

The image taken in 2021 was removed so the 2019 one is now back on the page, meaning the caption is now correct. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 08:34, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Lawyer

Shouldn't he be listed as a lawyer in the first paragraph? 200.119.185.171 (talk) 06:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2022

I want to request that the thing says re-elected governor of illinois 174.250.210.214 (talk) 19:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You mean the infobox on the right? Incumbent is perfectly fine Cannolis (talk) 19:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Terrible photograph

The portrait photograph shown on this page could not be more unflattering and I suspect comes from a negative campaign ad. Why not use his official portrait on the State of Illinois website (https://www2.illinois.gov/sites/gov/about/Pages/default.aspx)? 2601:243:300:FA60:D15E:84F3:2255:150E (talk) 14:21, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Replacing the photo with official portrait

I echo the sentiment above that the current picture used across Wikipedia looks awful. This is an official portrait from 2019. It is a work of the United States Department of Defense and is therefore in the public domain. I suggest replacing JB Pritzker portraits across Wiki with this official and higher quality one. 沁水湾 (talk) 06:11, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Late to the party, but I agree with this. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 07:21, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

So... that is the flattering one? Venqax (talk) 21:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Place of birth.

Astrodatabank.com is an astrology website that collects birth certificates and has Pritzker's birth ceritficate on file. According to his birth certificate, Pritizker was not born in Atherton. He was born in Palo Alto, California at 1:01 P.M. PST. Vulcanisaplanet (talk) 20:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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In cabinet

Sameer Vohra, MD, JD, MA is now the Director of Public Health for Illinois. See: https://dph.illinois.gov/about.html#:~:text=Director%20Sameer%20Vohra%2C%20MD%2C%20JD,2022%2C%20by%20Governor%20JB%20Pritzker.

TeriEmbrey (talk) 22:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge proposal

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The result of this discussion was: Merged. —Alalch E. 21:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Microplastic Consumer and Narutolovehinata5: I propose merging Public image of JB Pritzker into this parent article. I don't see how the public image topic is independently notable per WP:NOPAGE. RoySmith (talk) 13:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Microplastic Consumer and Narutolovehinata5: fix ping RoySmith (talk) 13:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not totally opposed to that Microplastic Consumer (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Support a merge SecretName101 (talk) 06:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move 15 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 12:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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J. B. Pritzker → JB Pritzker – Largely similar to this discussion, it appears as though Pritzker stylizes his name without any periods. I can't judge if it meets MOS:BIOEXCEPT to the letter, but his official website and social medias do not use periods, so WP:ABOUTSELF could apply [1][2][3]. It also seems like his name is most commonly used without periods in reliable sources, see The New York Times [4], Chicago Tribune [5], and Politico [6], for example. Forbes [7] is the only current source I can find using periods for his name, though without a space. It does look like most sources prior to his gubernatorial run used periods, only beginning to drop them in the years since, so this could perhaps be treated as a name change. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:56, 15 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Sceptre (talk) 20:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom.—Alalch E. 11:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
• oppose — not helpful for the title of an article when many readers will be searching with conventional name forms, perhaps make note of the nickname in the body of the article if an editor feels it is that important. 83d40m (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  A redirect from the current title will exist. —Alalch E. 15:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 02:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is a style issue. Wikipedia house style is to use spaced full stops, like the New Yorker[8] and University of Illinois[9]. Other entities use unspaced full stops, e.g.[10][11][12], or a mixture[13][14][15] Most internet sites use no full stops possibly because they are following the Chicago Manual of Style [16] or AP[17]. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  In general, yes, but our house style includes MOS:BIOEXCEPT for this particular situation – personal names (see danah boyd for an example specifically called out in our MoS). —Alalch E. 13:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  See my opening sentence: "This is a style issue." There's nothing in the cites about Pritzker insisting his name is spelt this way. As far as we can tell, it's just the style of those particular websites. MOS:BIOEXCEPT only applies where "the person has clearly declared a preferred exceptional style for their own name". Celia Homeford (talk) 14:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  I appreciate your reply. However, Pritzker uses "JB Pritzker" in signed documents next to his signature as seen in [18]. He also uses it on his official website and social media. Please also see this WSJ article in the newspaper's section about style in writing: Vol. 37, No. 8: Harris’s and Walz’s. It says: "In other political stylebook news: JB Pritzker’s office says the Democratic Illinois governor prefers JB with no periods. That is all right with our newsroom; after all, we are going along with no period in Donald Trump’s running mate, JD Vance. How’s that for a balanced ruling on either side of the aisle?" This is why the JD Vance article was moved to the current name (WSJ had the same kind of report about JD Vance in a similar previous article). This is enough to meet "clearly declared". —Alalch E. 14:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. I have struck my oppose. Celia Homeford (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support MOS:BIOEXCEPT is met, like for JD Vance and, my personal preference, CC Sabathia. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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