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Broken link for Washington Institute Article

The link to note [7] is no longer going to the correct page. The correct link can be found here 162.81.37.70 (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed: Thanks for bringing it to our attention! ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 15:06, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Even if there is a tiny proportion of violence against security forces, which approaches the value of 0% in fact, that is massively undue weight to include it in the first sentence. The cited source only supports then Israeli Education Minister Gideon Saar saying "The price tag gangs that harass innocent people, damage property, attack Israeli soldiers and security forces, burn mosques and terrorise political opponents are a violent and dangerous cancerous growth that must be uprooted". That does not support that settler violence is directed at Israeli soldiers as a fact, and certainly not to the point of getting equal footing as the target of the close to 100% of their violence in the opening sentence. nableezy - 18:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Um St.nerol here is the discussion. nableezy - 20:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there should be a change in the lead sentence. But it is so long standing that I think we should do it carefully and try to reach agreement first. Perhaps others want a say as well.

The source also contains the following relevant passage:

"Usually it is Palestinians or their property which are attacked in revenge but occasionally action is taken against Israel's security forces.

In October, an Israeli army patrol was surrounded and assaulted by a group of extremist settlers in the West Bank."

–St.nerol (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is obvious that the source does not support these as on equal footing, as you put it. So I think at the very least we can agree on adding an "occasionaly" before mention of the Israeli security forces? -St.nerol (talk) 20:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That would be an improvement, but I would move it out of the first sentence and later in the lead that occasionally price tag attacks are against security forces. nableezy - 20:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change made. To also move the information down seems very reasonable. Do you have any suggestion as to where to put it? –St.nerol (talk) 20:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at my edit, if you want I will self-revert. nableezy - 21:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you need to revert. I appreciate the mention of and link to "price tag attacks". But probably some further restructuring and polish is needed. The first section does not read very well. The second sentence feels quite misplaced (obviously not your fault) and the third has some repetition, I think. –St.nerol (talk) 21:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree the whole lead is a mess. Ill have a go at a rewrite of it later. nableezy - 21:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize; I did not notice this discussion. I am chiefly concerned by the superfluous bolding in the 11-year-old lead sentence. It defines Israeli settler violence as violence by Israeli settlers, which does not really help anyone. Can we get rid of that redundancy? Surtsicna (talk) 16:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Subject on Israeli soldiers being targeted

if this context is added to the lead I think the context of Israeli soldiers enabling settler violence should be added as well otherwise it’s disproportionate and not balanced Bobisland (talk) 02:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]