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Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
November 14, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
January 2, 2009	Good article reassessment	Kept

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 1, 2008.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Dustin the Turkey, a puppet, represented Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008?

Current status: Good article

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
In the Format section, it might be a good idea to fully say Dana's name, I mean I know who it is, but your reader needs to know. In the Donal Skehan section, I was confused by this sentence ---> "Mason had previously wrote a song for Monrose for the German national final in 2007", up until I clicked on the "Monrose" link. Maybe adding "pop band" before "Monrose". In the At Eurovision section, "Since Ireland came last in the Eurovision Song Contest 2007 Dustin was obliged to perform his song in one of the two semi-finals of the 2008 contest", add a comma after "Eurovision".
Check. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
Dates need to be unlinked, per here. Also, I noticed that dates in the references are linked and it would be best if they were unlinked. In the Format section, italicize "X Factor" since its a television program, and per here. Same section, it would be best if "Eurovision Song Contest 2007" is linked once, per here. In the At Eurovision section, remove the quotation marks in "This Morning" and italicize it, since its a television program.
Check. -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

C. It contains no original research:

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
If the statements above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article!

-- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 00:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and made the corrections you suggested. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 04:24, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to Grk1011 for getting the stuff I left at the talk page, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 19:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Concerns

I am doing a GA review on Portugal in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 and my feeling is that the article is rather thin on encyclopedic material, so I wanted to point people to examples of other Eurovision Song Contest articles that had achieved GA status. Upon looking into this one and Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 I felt that they both were also not broad in coverage, so I will be listing them both for review. As these articles are designed to be sub-articles of both the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 and the Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest (Portugal .... / Greece ...) articles, a reader would assume that they would go into considerable detail about the topic. I would expect decent coverage of the song itself (Irelande Douze Pointe, which has a started article) and the singer (Dustin the Turkey, who also has a started article), as well as John Morrison the voice behind the Turkey character, and the composer Simon Fine. The information is available, it just needs someone willing to do the research and writing to bring it into the article in an appropriate manner. A summary of Ireland in the Eurovision Song Contest would also be useful, as this is a standalone article, not a section within another article. It needs, as such, to stand by itself, and give enough information to satisfy the general reader - with a link to the main articles for when people want greater detail. There is a lot of interest in the Eurovision Song Contest - and I can see these being very popular and useful articles. It is also important to get these articles right, as they will be used as examples of Eurovision Song Contest articles for others to follow. My concerns are mainly related to broad coverage, though I also feel that the prose could be sharpened, and perhaps one or two other aspects may need tidying up, but I haven't yet given this a close analysis. SilkTork *^YES! 12:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a background section, as well as more information on when the artists were revealed, making it more in-line with Greece in ESC 2008. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 16:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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