Talk:International recognition of South Sudan/Archive 1

Archive 1

Eritrea questionable?

The link is a Somaliland page which holds a grunge against Eritrea, I dont consider it a reliable source? RGDS Alexmcfire

United States recognition

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2011/07/167906.htm indicates that U.S. recognition takes effect today. I'm not sure how it times out compared to Germany. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Well the 8th comes first in Germany so recognition could have possibly, and most likely, taken place before the U.S. statement. 08OceanBeach^S.D. 03:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Egypt said they intended to be the 2nd to recognize. Were they actually the second, or did Germany inadvertently foil that plan? — MK (^t/_c) 06:01, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Position of Libya

What about the Tripoli government of Libya? Is it having a similar position as Eritrea? Peter Geatings (talk) 06:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I removed both it and Iran from the list as the references were to articles where they expressed a preference for a referendum result that did not split Sudan. This is very different from non-recognition of the result once it is out. If we were to add Libya back in, we would need a source which actually showed them rejecting the result. The Iran source actually showed them saying that they would accept the result even if it was not the one they wanted.

I'm not entirely convinced by the Eritrea source as it refers to rumours rather than a direct announcement by Eritrea.

A key difference between South Sudan and the likes of Kosovo, North Cyprus, Tibet etc. is that the state from which it is seceding recognises it. This makes a position of non-recognition seem rather extraordinary.--Peter cohen (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It wouldnt be extraordinary at all, the SPLA was allied with a rebel faction that fought the eritreans. Its not uncommon for states to not recognize other states for merely diplomatic reasons. For example despite the fact that no other state claims its territory, Pakistan does not recognize Armenia due to that nations dispute with Azerbajian. Liechtenstien also for many years did not recognize the Czech republic and slovokia due to a dispute over some properties that were in possesion of the house of liechtenstien prior to world war two.XavierGreen (talk) 07:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

International bodies to list

As of now, we list the following bodies:

• African Union
• Arab League
• Organisation of the Islamic Cooperation
• United Nations Security Council

The rationale before was about organisations that they are ones that South Sudan intends to join, or have a bearing on South Sudan's general recognition (the UN SC). Because of this, the following have previously been removed as irrelevant to this list:

• European Union
• NATO

However, given South Sudan's predominantly Christian people I'd be a little surprised if they joined the OIC, or the Arab League for that matter.

What do you think?

James F. (talk) 11:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

There is absolutely no need to list the EU or NATO. The column is for relevant international membership, and these organisations have no relevance to South Sudan, which will have neither aspirations nor prospects for joining them. Bazonka (talk) 12:55, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you add the Commonwealth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.200.233 (talk) 13:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I've added info on Commonwealth membership, due to the evidence in the thread below which shows its relevance. Unlike EU membership, which someone keeps adding. How on earth is this relevant? Bazonka (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I think we need to define relevance. The UN and AU would seem relevant by definition, the EU similarly irrelevant. For all else, I'd suggest that they are relevant if South Sudan is eligable to join and has expressed a desire to do so. Perhaps a link to an article demonstrating that an organisation is relevant should be added the first time it appears, like the Commonwealth link in the next section. And Introducing... A Leg (talk) 13:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

'Tis done. Bazonka (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Is this article even needed?

The independence of South Sudan is not controversial, and it is highly likely that all countries will recognise it in the near future. So while similar articles like International recognition of Kosovo (which is disputed) are certainly of benefit, I'm not convinced of the necessity for this one, certainly not once South Sudan becomes a full UN member anyway. The only thing of merit is the question of Eritrea's lack of recognition, but that may be best handled in a new article called Eritrea - South Sudan relations or something like that. Bazonka (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I dont agree with you. We cant know for sure that all nations will recognize south sudan. There are a number of African nations that could decide not to recognize and some other nations that could make decision in a distant future. So this article is needed and is relevant in my opinion.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, we'll see what happens. If all countries bar one or two recognise it, then I think there will be a good case for article deletion - it'll just be a list of (almost) all the countries in the world. But if there is significant rejection of independence, then the article will have merit. It's too early to say. Bazonka (talk) 13:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I have wondered about the need for the article. We would really see a move towards non-recognition to justify creating it. There seems to be a lot more concrete evidence of organised non-recognition of Israel than for that of South Sudan where the only evidence for non-recognition we have so far is related to Eritrea which has its own idiosyncratic reasons for non-recognition. We have not had similar articles for the Czech Republic, Slovakia or Armenia which seemed to have similar hold outs for idiosyncratic reasons.--Peter cohen (talk) 14:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

With all due respect to the people who made this page (who may be excited) , I suggest it be re-merged into the foreign relations article. There is more or less no rejection of South Sudan's independence, and in due course all countries will recognise it (even the Eritrea thing doesnt say they won't recognise). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Ian Manning (talk • contribs) 14:58, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It is needed, but after South Sudan becomes a UN member it should be merged to Foreign relations of South Sudan like all the other real countries. Such content is found in other articles, for an example Foreign_relations_of_Montenegro#States_that_have_explicitly_recognized_Montenegro_and.2F_or_establishment_of_diplomatic_relations --Avala (talk) 19:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

You can now argue your point at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International recognition of South Sudan

'Unofficial' recognition?

"So far, seventeen countries have recognised the Republic of South Sudan (four of them officially)"

This seems oddly worded. Diplomatic recognition is something that is extended, or not. A country cannot be 'unoffically' recognised, so is the correct figure four or seventeen? P M C 13:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Map

The map shows that Eritrea, Libya and Iran oppose independence, yet the text only mentions Eritrea. Either the text needs improving, or the map needs to go. Bazonka (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

http://www.leparisien.fr/flash-actualite-monde/la-communaute-internationale-a-rapidement-reconnu-le-sud-soudan-09-07-2011-1527093.php says that Libya recognizes SS. However, it doesn't specify if it is Tripoli or NTC (note that France recognizes NTC as Libyan govt). --Soman (talk) 17:58, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Finland and Bulgaria

Finland will recognize on July 22 and Bulgaria will do so next week.--Avala (talk) 19:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they should not be listed at present. They haven't recognized yet. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 22:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Is there a way that we can somehow state that certain countries intend to eventually extend their recognition? Ghana doesn't seem to have officially recognized the country either, but the statements made by the president indicate their support about it. --190.157.238.103 (talk) 22:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It's usually best to just wait until they recognize. You get into cases where they'll say they'll recognize on a certain date and then it gets delayed and such. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 22:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Date of South African recognition

In the light of this statement on the 7th from South Africa's foreign ministry:

"South Africa officially recognises the Republic of South Sudan and welcomes the 54th state of Africa."

would it be fair to say that South Africa's date of recognition was in fact the 7th (of course only effective on the 9th)? - htonl (talk) 22:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

You should wait to list it until there's a formal statement from the RSA MFA or it's reported in the reliable press. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 22:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

How would you distinguish a formal statement from the media statement which I linked? You mean an official letter of recognition or something like that? (South Africa's recognition is already listed, with a cite to AFP, but with a date of the 9th.) - htonl (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It's reported in the reliable press, but essentially just quoting the aforementioned media statement from the DFA's spokesman. - htonl (talk) 00:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Libyan recognition of South Sudan

Libyan recognition of South Sudan: Sud Sudan:Tripoli riconosce indipendenza (Italian) source: ANSA, JANA --Melo86 (talk) 02:56, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Indian Recognition

Can someone change the world map to ad india as a country recognizing south sudan's creation viyyer (talk) 06:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

It is not sensible to show a map at this early stage because things are changing so quickly, that the map can't keep up. Bazonka (talk) 07:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Relevant international membership

Why isn't NATO mentioned? Since vast majority of recognition is NATO members I am thinking... -- Cat ^chi? 17:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

The clue is in the word relevant. Why would NATO be relevant to South Sudan? This has already been discussed in an earlier thread. Bazonka (talk) 17:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

As above, the article only shows the organisations that are relevant to South Sudan, in this case the ones it is able to join (the AU, AL, OIC and Commonwealth) and the UN Security Council, an important international body. There is no reason to show what states are part of NATO or the EU in the same way there is no reason to mark which countries recognising Kosovo (which has a similar table) are members of the Commonwealth or the African Union; it's just not relevant.--109.154.122.1 (talk) 18:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Along similar lines, is the Community of Democracies relevant? Has there been any hint of South Sudan potentially joining it? - htonl (talk) 04:07, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

That organisation is a bit obscure. We can't open the list up to everything, or we'll end up listing the likes of the International Basketball Federation. I think the organisations that are currently included are all we need. Bazonka (talk) 07:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion and removed it already. - htonl (talk) 07:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I added the East African Community. It's an important organisation that's aiming for federalisation, it has its own Common market and is planning it's own currency for next year. Adding this shows the notable shift of South Sudan's foreign policies from those of Sudan, in fact, I would say that South Sudan is much more likely to join the EAC than the Arab League (I know, WP:CRYSTAL).--23230 ^talk 10:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

States which refuse to recognise

Would it be more relevant to list states which refuse to recognise South Sudan ? The fact that some pissant country could not be bothered is not very notable. The fact that some country refuses to recognise South Sudan because of some grievance is more notable.Eregli bob (talk) 07:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree. This whole article is a bit rubbish in its current form. We might not necessarily have information about recognition from some of the small or underdeveloped countries, or alternatively we'll end up with a list of almost all of the countries in the world. As South Sudan's independence is uncontroversial, what's relevant are the countries that won't recognise, not those that have recognised or those for which we have no information. Bazonka (talk) 07:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Are there countries that refuse to recognize?--Avala (talk) 11:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

And Eritrea is not one of them - A Warm Welcome to Independent South Sudan from Eritrea--Avala (talk) 12:59, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. The nearest example could be the declaration of independence of Kosovo, but there is a fundamental difference. While Serbia (wich was the previous ruler of that territory) refuse to recognise the independence of Kosovo in the past, present and future, position followed by several countries of the world; in the case of South Sudan the previous ruler (Sudan) had been the first on recognising the independence of the former territory of Sudan, so I doubt (are they going to be more catholic than the Pope?) that any country would not recognise South Sudan in the following months and years. Regards.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

There can be a country having direct issues with South Sudan though. Like Czech Republic and Slovakia had issues with Liechtenstein.--Avala (talk) 14:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Now that Eritrea has welcomed South Sudan's existence (the only possible dissenter as far as we knew), the purpose of this article is brought even more into question. There is no point in listing states that don't recognise (because there aren't any), and no point in listing states that do (because its highly likely to be all of them). What is the article for? As far as I can tell it was created by editors jumping on the International recognition of Kosovo bandwagon, but there is no comparison between the two - one is a disputed territory/country, the other isn't. Bazonka (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I've created the afd.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Bazonka, we cannot assume that it will be all of them. Montenegro is so far recognized by 144 countries.--Avala (talk) 22:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

While I'll admit I've been following this article regularly since the 8th, I still think that even if several countries don't recognize South Sudan, once those figures get finalized (or as close to that as possible) it would make more sense to have those specific cases of non-recognition explained in the broader Foreign Relations article. And if everyone recognizes it, that fact wouldn't be particularly notable at all unless it was some sort of record for "fastest acceptance into the international community" or the like.ChristopherGregory (talk) 01:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Sierra Leone recognizes South Sudan?

on the map it says Sierra Leone recognizes South Sudan, but i don't see it anywhere else. is it a typo or should it be added to the list? Not only Sierra Leone - there's Ghana too. They appear in the map, but not in the list. Is it an error in the map? In this case could someone edit it please? I don't know how to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.213.231.110 (talk) 13:57, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Polish presidency EU, budget and maybe money for help - this is REVELANT

Hmm Polish EU presidency is revelant for Sudan. For e.g. we will choose budget now. And If we want, we will drive negotiate way in that case - to send a help in money for them...

How is it relevant? South Sudan isn't in Europe. Bazonka (talk) 06:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

It is completely irrelevant indeed. I would actually remove that whole column.--Avala (talk) 11:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Relevant non-UN member states

Somaliland is not recognized by a single United Nations member nor any other intergovernmental organization. Its recognition is absolutely irrelevant. 26oo (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. It is in Africa, and in the same region than South Sudan - East Africa. Moreover, the African Union is actually working on possible recognition, and now with the South Sudan precedent the probability appears stronger (although still quite small). Moreover, several countries in the East African Community, which South Sudan is to join, are said to be in favour of it - most notably Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Ondinga has stated several times Kenya would recognize Somaliland even if the rest of the African Union did not, if he wone the 2012 Presidential elections (I read this once on a Kenyan media source, I'll look for the link and post it here). Some experts even believe South Sudan might become the first country to recognize Somaliland and open the way for the rest of the African Union to do the same (no need to mention this in the article as it is only speculation). Some Western countries (Great Britain, US, France, are the ones I know about, there might be more) have announced they would follow the African Union's stance on recognition or non-recognition. And finally, I believe this section should contain all entities de facto functioning as independent states, whether recognized by whosoever or no. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.39.72.120 (talk) 10:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Arab League

This is a page in Arabic that expresses the Arab League's position on South Sudan independence: http://www.alhadag.com/news-%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%81_%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%84%D9%8A_%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%B9_%D8%A8%D8%AC%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A8_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86-24179.html Anyone understands Arabic here? Would be interesting to resume it and add it to our "International organizations" part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.39.72.120 (talk) 11:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Google does: [1]. Doesn't really tell us anything new though. Bazonka (talk) 19:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Albania recognized South Sudan on 9 July 2011

Albania recognized South Sudan on 9 July 2011 and not 11 July 2011 Statement by the Albanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the independence of the Republic of South Sudan The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on behalf of the Government of the Republic of Albania, welcomes the declaration of the independence of the Republic of South Sudan, on July 9, 2011. This act comes as an expression of self-determination by the people of South Sudan, which was confirmed in a referendum on independence, held in January this year.

On this historic day for the people of South Sudan, the Albanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs conveys to the government of the new state in the political map of African continent, the best wishes for the prosperity and lasting peace. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs expresses its readiness to cooperate with the government of South Sudan for the development of relationships in all areas of mutual interest.

http://www.mfa.gov.al/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7712:deklarate-e-ministrise-se-puneve-te-jashtme-mbi-shpalljen-e-pavaresise-se-republikes-se-sudanit-te-jugut&catid=112:lajme&lang=en&Itemid= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.69.4.168 (talk) 19:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

According to this source, Albania recognized South Sudan two days after the declaration of independence of South Sudan. (11 July) Ahmetyal 19:23, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Angola and Slovenia

The Angolan source: [2] doesn't say Angola recognized South Sudan. The word recognition or recognize is not even used in the article. It only tell us that a Angolan minister visited South Sudan. Ahmetyal 19:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

The same goes for Slovenia. They were added to the list based on the article which only says that they welcome the independence. But now they have announced that the recognition wont take place until Tuesday when the National Assembly meets - Slovenia to Recognise South Sudan on Tuesday--Avala (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Slovenia yesterday recognised South Sudan. [3]

Holy See

The Holy See (at least according to the source given) didn't explicitly recognize South Sudan. Gugganij (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Vatican UN General Assembly observer - relevant or no?

When I added the Sahrawi Republic to the list of non-UN members, I also mentioned that the Vatican has an observer status at the UN General Assembly. I thought this information was useful, but someone undid me twice and mentioned he believed it was irrelevant. What do you think? Relevant or no? (Please do not change it again until we agree here.)

It's not relevant. The observer status it is not a membership. Ron 1987 (talk) 15:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's relevant either. Bazonka (talk) 15:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

It is more relevant that the UN recognises the Vatican as a state. In theory the vatican is eligible for membership, but for political reasons they are disinclined to join.Phil Ian Manning (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan, Cyprus

I was just thinking, will Azerbaijan and Cyprus recognize South Sudans independence? As that recognition could effect their own non-recognition of their breakaway areas. So you see there is no 100% certainty of full recognition.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

There are no indications they won't plus South Sudan was granted independence by Sudan, not declared unilaterally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Ian Manning (talk • contribs) 12:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

South Sudan is not recognized by neither Azerbaijan[4] or Macedonia[5]

Map

Albania is not colored even though it recognizes it. Also I know Kosovo has sent a congratulatory letter.....don't we recognize S.SUDAN? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.67.228 (talk) 15:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Estonia

MFA of Estonia released a press statement today titled 11.07.2011 - Estonia Plans to Recognise Independence of South Sudan. So if it >>>plans<<< to recognise South Sudan on July 11, we can't add Estonia as a country that recognised South Sudan on July 9. Simple, isn't it?

But according to oryginal Estonian language statsment of 9th of July [6]: Foreign Minister Urmas Paet said that Estonia intends to recognize the independence of South Sudan today. . Today = 9 July. Aotearoa (talk) 15:39, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

They intended to, but they didn't, or at least the link does not explicitly say that they did. And the English note published today is simply a translation of the Estonian one, published two days later. So, Estonia should be deleted as soon as we get another source saying the indeed DID, not just intended to, recognise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.39.74.149 (talk) 18:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, according to the Estonian Public Broadcasting, Estonia has recognized South Sudan. [7]

Thank you, in this case that should be the indicated source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.39.74.149 (talk) 18:46, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Not really, when we talk about the decisions of the MFA of Estonia and we have two sources, one the news agency and the other the MFA itself then there is no doubt who is more reliable on matters of the MFA decisions. And even if we accept the EPB article, the date has to be July 11 because even the EPB published it on that day. The Estonian language source from July 9 speaks in future tense too.--Avala (talk) 22:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

You're right, the EPB might have misunderstood the same MFA publication we are talking about.

So, do you believe it should be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.213.166.155 (talk) 08:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

And now someone added Russian newspaper article as a supposedly better source than the Estonian MFA on the matters of the decision made by the Estonian MFA. Seriously?--Avala (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I think this is a better solution, scroll down to Conflicting sources regarding the recognition of South Sudan: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=International_recognition_of_South_Sudan&curid=32350368&diff=439080452&oldid=439079954 take a look. Ahmetyal 15:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I think this should be good enough for those who can't wait to see Estonia in the article even before the formal recognition - [8] --Avala (talk) 16:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Can someone chgange it than? I can't, I don't have access to the page as it is protected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrenchmanPhilip (talk • contribs) 09:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Costa Rica

I speak Spanish, and the link for Costa Rica doesn't explicitly say the country is currently preparing to recognize. Basically it only says they're happy about independence and wish South Sudan the best luck for future. I think this entrance should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrenchmanPhilip (talk • contribs) 09:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

It is true, but such a friendly statement can only lead to recognition some day. It is like Cuba Presidente de Sudán del Sur recibe a Esteban Lazo. Their Vice President even went there and so far there is nothing else that a very friendly statement. Is it hard to believe that after such comments those countries wont recognize South Sudan´s sovereignty... one day.Coquimbano 15:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, but there's a difference between wishing to recognize and favouring the country's independence, and taking concrete steps towards recognizing it. There is a huge number of countries, especially in Africa, about all of them in fact, who have welcomed the independence, but we can't list them all. If you have another source please give it, but according to this source there is no reason to list Costa Rica more than for example Nigeria or Ghana or Poland or several others we are already debating about here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrenchmanPhilip (talk • contribs) 17:53, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from FrenchmanPhilip, 13 July 2011

Add "Conflicting resource" sign for Denmark in the European Union entry. FrenchmanPhilip (talk) 09:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I have no idea what you're asking. Can you be more specific? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:47, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

In the entry for the European Union, there is a "Hide/show " item which lists all EU members, with a sign to show those who recognized Kosovo, another sign to show those with "Conflicting resource" according to our list. Denmark is listed in "Conflicting resource", but the sign does not appear. Am I clear enough? It's really a detail, probably noone except me had noticed, but I am usually very scrupulous on small things like this.

Anyway, why was this entry protected? Has there been vandalism? Usually protection is used for controversial topics, I don't find this topic controversial. Anyway, for tiny changes like this it would be far easier if we could edit it ourselves instead of signalling it to an admin.FrenchmanPhilip (talk) 18:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

More recognitions

Mauritania[9], Liberia[10], the Democratic Republic of Congo[11], Djibouti[12] and Uruguay[13] has recognized South Sudan. Ahmetyal 17:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Excelent job! Could the administrator add´em meanwhile we debate? Oh, and in the page of Uruguayan presidency is the confirmation: [14] Coquimbano. 19:53, 13 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coquimbano (talk • contribs)

Diplomatic relations with Japan

Diplomatic relations established with Japan [15] - Canadian Bobby (talk) 20:53, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Small Flag for African Union?

I noticed that the African Union doesn't have the type of little flag that some of the other multi-national organizations have. I tried working my way through the flaginfo pages to the one for the African Union itself. Am I correct in that the African Union flag is *not* free for use and thus must be justified page by page, the way that would have be done for a company symbol like the Exxon-Mobil logo?Naraht (talk) 13:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Palestine/PA Recognizes

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4095682,00.html 64.115.19.42 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC).

And another source agrees: [16]. Ladril (talk) 01:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Guyana

Guyana has recognized South Sudan: [17] -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Gabon

http://infosgabon.com/?p=11007 64.115.19.42 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:55, 15 July 2011 (UTC).

Singapore

Recognition from Singapore [18] - Canadian Bobby (talk) 00:28, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

South Sudan became UN member yesterday: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39034&Cr=South+Sudan&Cr1= FrenchmanPhilip (talk) 08:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Slovenia

The final step, approval by the National Assembly, took place and Slovenia now recognizes South Sudan as independent [19] --Avala (talk) 11:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Montenegro

Montenegro now recognises South Sudan (July 14) - [20] --Avala (talk) 11:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Mozambique

Establishment of diplomatic relations [21] --Avala (talk) 11:50, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Kazakhstan

Recognition: [22] --Avala (talk) 11:59, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

No changes

WHY NO CHANGES ARE MADE ON THIS PAGE SINCE 12TH OF JULY ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.180.115.187 (talk) 13:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

article has been protected, by an amin not willing to maintain a protected page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Ian Manning (talk • contribs) 15:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Changes are not going to be made until someone explicitly requests them using the {{edit request}} template. Bazonka (talk) 15:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Why was the article protected?FrenchmanPhilip (talk) 19:21, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

According to the page history it was "Edit Warring / Content Dispute". Whilst there was a bit of this, it was manageable, and the effect of blocking edits is much worse in my opinion. An over-zealous admin perhaps. Bazonka (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

'Tis now unblocked. Bazonka (talk) 19:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Guinea Recognizes?

http://www.kaloumpresse.com/guinee-politique/1-politique/985-le-president-alpha-conde-reconnait-la-republique-du-soudan-du-sud 69.203.217.91 (talk) 22:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Poland

The source for Poland [23] only says that Poland welcomes the independence and that Poland will help South Sudan with the building of a democratic country. Please do not add Poland on the list. Ahmetyal 17:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

"Poland welcomes with a huge rise on the African continent a new sovereign state of the Republic of South Sudan. Polish society invariably supported the aspirations of the freedom of Southern Sudanese. We share with the inhabitants of the country's joy and enthusiasm on the occasion of the proclamation of independence.

We hope that the newly created state will be active and constructive member of the international community, a promoter of peace and security, human rights and democratic values. Poland is ready to share with the Republic of South Sudan their experience of building a modern, democratic state.

In this historic moment to join in congratulating the other European Union member states, and we wish the young citizens of the state and its many successes.

In celebration of the proclamation of independence of Southern Sudan attend the Polish delegation, headed by Krzysztof Stanowskim, Undersecretary of State at the Foreign Ministry. The delegation will provide the message of the President of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski addressed to the President of Southern Sudan gen.Salvy KIIR Mayardita."

I think Poland already recognized SS.--Spacejam2 (talk) 19:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

You can see original verion on MSZ website msz.gov.pl [24]. Text translated by google.--Spacejam2 (talk) 20:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Here's official translation http://www.msz.gov.pl/index.php?document=44169 --Spacejam2 (talk) 20:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes it would apear so - considering several facts about this: Vice-minister of foreign relations was present is south sudan that day, declaration from Ministry of foreign affairs and also a message from Polish President to President of South Sudan (I also tried to find news about it and it seems Poland recognised south sudan, but i won't deny statement of Polish ministry is a bit strange). --KalrinUE {talk} 20:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Colombia?

I'm not quite sure how official this is, but El Tiempo seems to suggest that Colombia has recognized. "Al reconocer a este nuevo miembro de la comunidad internacional, Colombia destaca el proceso que condujo a este resultado, el cual incluyó el cumplimiento de los términos del Acuerdo Comprensivo de Paz celebrado en Nairobi en 2005" http://www.eltiempo.com/mundo/africa/colombia-saluda-admision-de-sudan-del-sur-en-la-onu-_9925184-4 96.49.147.56 (talk) 20:24, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Montenegro recognition unsourced

I think the source for Montenegro is missing. The linked page is in french but I think that covers Gabon, not Montenegro. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 16:37, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I see a link to this end on this page but I do not know if it is relevant as I do not understand the language. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 17:15, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

It's the right source, translated it here: [25]. Added it back in. Delusion23 (talk) 19:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Lebanon recognises

Short blurb in a news spot about the Lebanese cabinet, 5th paragraph down:

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=292539

Ajbenj (talk) 21:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

UK + Commonwealth

South Sudan is reckoned to likely join the Commonwealth

Also, the UK is missing NATO and EU flags — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.139.200.233 (talk) 12:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you have any evidence that backs up your claim about the Commonwealth? Bazonka (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

[26] Ahmetyal 13:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Singapore is also a Commonwealth member state as well, yet this is not indicated in the chart, which needs to be corrected as well. - (203.211.72.38 (talk) 20:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC))

Adding EU and NATO back in maybe

I think EU and NATO is relevant to the politics of the world. It isn't surprising to see EU or NATO nations to act collectively. Currently the list implies all the countries listed have "randomly" decided to recognize. The reader would find the relationship (on why a cluster of countries recognize (ie relationship between the countries that are actually recognizing) to be relevant. To put it in a few words, recognition happened because NATO / EU member nations didn't oppose it at least for said members. How relevant such organizations could be left to the reader. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 19:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Why not also add the Caribbean Community and ASEAN? Come on, there has to be a limit, and that limit should be those countries that South Sudan could join. Bazonka (talk) 21:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Why do we need to limit it provided the above table structure is used. It would extend the side by 30-40 pixels per organisation. Also you aren't seriously holding those two at the same category as NATO and EU I hope. I really do not see a rationale as to why the two most important organizations (in the world) aren't worth mentioning. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 23:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Also only about half of Arab League has recognized South Sudan so I am uncertain how relevant AL is at this point (I realize they are relevant to the actual new country - just not sure how relevant this organization is for the actual recognition). Certainly the lack of recognition is significant. On the other hand vast majority of UN and NATO members did recognize South Sudan... -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 01:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

While we're at it, can we add whether they've established diplomatic relations with the recognizing country, too? - Canadian Bobby (talk) 19:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Two countries already have such articles, namely Sudan - South Sudan and Israel - South Sudan. There also is List of diplomatic missions in South Sudan -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 06:21, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Saudi Arabia

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=20110719105543 64.115.19.42 (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Iran source

The Iran source only states that Iran "hails" the creation of South Sudan. There is no mention of recognition. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 17:55, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

It is the foreign ministry hailing it which is more or less recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil Ian Manning (talk • contribs) 04:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Uruguay

Why does it say that Uruguay is part of the African Union and Arab League? ––Spesh531, My talk, and External links 01:39, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Cyprus

Cyprus has recognized South Sudan [27] - Canadian Bobby (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Bangladesh begins recognition process

The Bengladeshi FM has announced the process to recognize South Sudan has begun:

http://bakshiganj.blogspot.com/2011/07/granting-of-transit-to-india-political.html

http://newagebd.com/newspaper1/frontpage/26734.html

Ajbenj (talk) 21:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

This says Bangladesh recognized today [28] - Canadian Bobby (talk) 18:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

MoFA: Peru recognises???

Been a while since Spanish class, but still I don't trust Google's translation, but Peru "salutes" the foundation and sovreignity of South Sudan. This is a link to the news article, but most of this was on the Ministry of Foreign Affairs site's front page until yesterday (don't have time right now to dig thru it to find the original MoFA press release):

http://noticias.terra.com.pe/elecciones-presidenciales/2011/peru-saludo-a-sudan-del-sur-como-estado-independiente-y-soberano,741728108aa21310VgnVCM10000098f154d0RCRD.html

Here the Ministry notes Peru's involvement in and presiding over an UN committee to assist in South Sudan's statebuilding, SS's entry into the UN, and acknowledges that ROSS is an independent country as of 9 July, 2011:

http://www.rree.gob.pe/portal/boletinInf.nsf/mrealdia/F99E1C09DBCB0081052578D3005D8748?OpenDocument

Even though the ministry is celebrating and welcoming the nationhood of SS, they still do not use the Spanish word for "recognize". As the line between "welcoming" and "recognizing" is a bit murky here, by all means please discuss. I'm getting verklempt... :P

Ajbenj (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Pakistan

http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=58736&Cat=2 69.203.217.91 (talk) 01:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

North Korea

The official Korean Central News Agency briefly reports that a statement was sent to South Sudan's President from Kim Yong Nam, President of the Presidium of the Supreme People's Assembly. It congratulates SS and expresses wishes by NK to establish relations. Is this recognition?

Direct link to the article on the KCNA Japanese-based website:

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2011/201107/news17/20110717-28ee.html

This is also available on the actual North Korean-hosted KCNA official site, but there is no direct link. Luckily they do have a search feature, so search "South Sudan" and it'll pop up.

Also KCNA is THE official media of North Korea, and it reported on the independence ceremony and SS's entry into the UN. However, on the actual KCNA site, an editorial blames the division of Sudan on colonialism. Check that out too. It's always a trip to read the North Korean news!

If this is a recognition, it took place 17 July 2011.

Ajbenj (talk) 04:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Libyan Recognition

Is this Gadaffi recognition or Rebel recognition? Which should inform the reader IJA (talk) 17:58, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

It's the Gaddafi government. Spanish source: [29] Ahmetyal 18:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

If the rebel government ends up taking complete control over Libya, will they have to recognize South Sudan independently or will the Gaddafi's government recognition still apply?Zzyx19770 (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

State recognitions listed without proper sources

I'm not exactly sure why, but I've been keeping regular tabs on this page, and a bunch of these African nations now listed as having recognized South Sudan several days ago were not there until recently. Also, I believe the sources for these "recognitions" are misleading. For example, it now lists Zimbabwe as having recognized South Sudan on 9 July, and has four sources attributed to it, but I read through them and nowhere does it say outright that Zimbabwe has recognized South Sudan. Three of them simply mention Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe's presence at the independence celebration and the fourth is about a meeting between Mugabe and a Southern Sudanese minister, which occured in-wait for it-2009, which was two years before South Sudan even became independent. Now, looking through other countries, I've found that many of them do not specify that the country listed actually recognized South Sudan. Other countries added recently are the Central African Republic, Mali, Rwanda, and Guinea (I have not translated the sources for these yet- they're in French). I believe that all of the sources provided for the recognizing countries listed should be checked to make sure that they are absolutely valid. Zzyx19770 (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

International bodies that are relevant to world politics

Usage

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  |Num=1
  |day=8|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<br/>effective 9 July 2011<ref name=Sudan>{{cite news|title=North Sudan recognizes independence of South Sudan|url=http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/9618667-north-sudan-recognizes-independence-of-south-sudan|accessdate=8 July 2011|newspaper=Allvoices}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Sudan recognises independence of oil-rich south |url=http://www.sharenet.co.za/news/Sudan_recognises_independence_of_oilrich_south/d651620e6c839e23448e0683d3d41708|quote= Sudan became the '''first''' state to recognise the independence of its oil-producing south...|accessdate=8 July 2011}}</ref>
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=2
  |day=8|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<br/>effective 9 July 2011<ref name="Egypt">{{cite web|title=Egypt affirms it would be the second country recognizing South Sudan, after the Khartoum government |url=http://www.mfa.gov.eg/English/Minister/News/Pages/NewsDetails.aspx?Source=6781921f-3993-444a-859e-ee26ce851de8&newsID=25a4683b-0c48-4d33-a0f4-a9984551d533|date=7 July 2011|publisher=Ahram Online}}</ref><ref name="Egypt2">{{cite web|title=Egypt officially recognises the new state of South Sudan |url=http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsContent/2/8/15929/World/Region/Egypt-officially-recognises-the-new-state-of-South.aspx|date=9 July 2011|publisher=Ministry of Foreign Affairs – Arab Republic of Egypt}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=EGY
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=3
  |day=8|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<br/>effective 9 July 2011<ref name=Germany>{{cite web|title=Bundesrepublik Deutschland erkennt Republik Südsudan völkerrechtlich an|url=http://www.bundespraesident.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2011/07/20110708-Suedsudan.html|accessdate=10 July 2011|date=8 July 2011|publisher=[[President of Germany]]}}</ref>
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=4
  |day=8|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<br/>effective 9 July 2011<ref name="Kenya">{{cite web|title=Kenya: Country Recognizes South Sudan |url=http://allafrica.com/stories/201107080823.html|date=8 July 2011|publisher=Nairobi Star}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=KEN
  |CONsup=<br/><ref>{{cite web|title=South Sudan Launches Bid to Join Commonwealth|url=http://talkofsudan.com/sudan/item/9001-south-sudan-launches-bid-to-join-commonwealth|publisher=Talk of Sudan|accessdate=9 July 2011|date=8 July 2011}}</ref>
  |EACsup=<br/><ref>{{cite news|url=http://en.igihe.com/spip.php?article455|agency=IGIHE|title=South Sudan: Big trading potential for EAC|date=8 July 2011|accessdate=9 July 2011}}</ref>
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=5
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Le Mozambique va établir des relations diplomatiques avec le Sud-Soudan  |url=http://www.afriquinfos.com/articles/2011/7/14/brevesdafrique-182471.asp|language=French}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Mozambique y Sudán del Sur establecerán relaciones diplomáticas |url=http://spanish.peopledaily.com.cn/31618/7440780.html|accessdate=15 July 2011|language=Spanish}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=MOZ
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=6
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name=China>{{cite web|title=China recognizes independence of South Sudan|url=http://www1.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-07/09/content_12869896.htm|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[China Daily]]}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=CHN
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=7
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name=UK>{{cite web|title=South Sudan: The birth of a nation|url=http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=News&id=628419182|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[Foreign and Commonwealth Office]]}}</ref><ref>http://www.number10.gov.uk/news/south-sudan-becomes-independent/</ref>
  |CountryCode=UK
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=8
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name=Turkey>{{cite web|title=No: 162, 9 July 2011, Press Release Regarding the Recognition of the Independence of the Republic of South Sudan|url=http://www.mfa.gov.tr/no_-162_-9-july-2011_-press-release-regarding-the-recognition-of-the-independence-of-the-republic-of-south-sudan.en.mfa|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Turkey)|Turkish Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=TUR
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=9
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name=Italy>{{cite web|title=Italy's Foreign Affairs Ministry Acknowledges South Sudan|url=http://www.agi.it/iphone-en/notizie/201107091233-pol-ren1032-italy_s_foreign_affairs_ministry_acknowledges_south_sudan|date=9 July 2011|accessdate=10 July 2011|publisher=[[Agenzia Giornalistica Italia]]}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ITA
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=10
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="Poland">{[cite web|url=http://www.msz.gov.pl/The,Republic,of,South,Sudan,proclaims,independence,44169.html |publisher=[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Poland)|Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs]]}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=POL
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=11
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="United States">{{cite web|url=http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2011/07/20110709070453tegdirb0.1807454.html?CP.rss=true#axzz1RblFU2Ag |title=Obama on U.S. Recognition of South Sudan’s Independence | IIP Digital |publisher=Iipdigital.usembassy.gov |date= |accessdate=2011-07-09}}</ref>
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=12
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="canada">{{cite web |url=http://www.international.gc.ca/media/aff/news-communiques/2011/196.aspx?lang=eng |title=Canada Welcomes Independence of South Sudan |accessdate=2011-07-09 |publisher=Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada |author=Baird, John}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=CAN
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=13
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="australia">{{cite web |url=http://foreignminister.gov.au/releases/2011/kr_mr_110709.html |title=Australia welcomes South Sudan to the Community of Nations |accessdate=9 June 2011 |publisher=Australian Minsiter of Foreign Affairs}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=AUS
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=14
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="japan">{{cite web |url=http://www.mofa.go.jp/announce/fm_press/2011/7/0705_01.html |title=Press Conference by Minister for Foreign Affairs Takeaki Matsumoto |accessdate=9 June 2011 |publisher=Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=JAP
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=15
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="ireland">{{cite web |url=http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=86938 |title=Government takes decision allowing for formal recognition of Republic of South Sudan |accessdate=9 June 2011 |publisher=Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ireland}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=IRL
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=16
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="france">{{cite web |url=http://www.elysee.fr/president/les-actualites/communiques-de-presse/2011/le-president-de-la-republique-salue-l-accession-a.11715.html |title=Le Président de la République salue l’accession à l’indépendance du Soudan du Sud |accessdate=2011-07-10 |publisher=Présidence de la République |language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=FRA
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=17
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="sweden">{{cite web |url=http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/14988/a/172494 |title=Sweden recognizes South Sudan |accessdate=2011-07-09 |publisher=Government of Sweden |author=Khaffaf, Evin}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=SWE
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=18
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="norway">{{cite web |url=http://www.regjeringen.no/upload/UD/Vedlegg/brev/SoerSudan_anerkjennelsesbrev.pdf |title=Norway recognizes the Republic of South Sudan |accessdate=2011-07-09 |publisher=Ministry of Foreign Affairs |author=Minister of Foreign Affairs}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=NOR
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=19
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=President Declaration|url=http://mofa.go.ug/index.php/publications|accessdate=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=UGA
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=20
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Statement by the Minister of Foreign Affairs Edward Nalbandian 09.07.2011|url=http://www.mfa.am/en/interviews/item/2011/07/09/sudan/|accessdate=10 July 2011|publisher=[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Armenia)]]}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ARM
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=21
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Поздравительное послание Президенту Республики Южный Судан Сальваторе Кииру Маярдиту|url=http://www.kremlin.ru/news/11882|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[President of Russia]]|language=Russian}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=Россия, США и Китай признали Республику Южный Судан|url=http://www.rg.ru/2011/07/09/priznanie-anons.html|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[Rossiyskaya Gazeta]]|language=Russian}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=RUS
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=22
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Establishment of Diplomatic Relations Between the Federative Republic of Brazil and the Republic of South Sudan|url=http://www.itamaraty.gov.br/sala-de-imprensa/notas-a-imprensa/estabelecimento-de-relacoes-diplomaticas-com-a-republica-do-sudao-do-sul|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[Ministry of External Relations of Brazil]]|language=English}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=BRA
  |UNSC={{Recognition of Country/Flag/UN|<br/>Non-Permanent<br/>Member}}
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=23
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=MFA welcomes South Sudan independence|url=http://www.mae.ro/node/9689|accessdate=9 July 2011|newspaper=MFA of Romania|language=Romanian}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ROM
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=24
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name=Spain>{{cite web|language=Spanish|title=Sudán del Sur, primer país que reconoce España desde Montenegro en 2006|url=http://www.elcorreo.com/agencias/20110709/mas-actualidad/mundo/sudan-sur-primer-pais-reconoce_201107091630.html|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[El Correo]]}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ESP
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=25
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Austria to recognize South Sudan as sovereign state|url=http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90855/7424134.html|accessdate=9 July 2011|newspaper=People's Daily China|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=AUT
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=26
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Switzerland recognises Southern Sudan's independence|url=http://www.admin.ch/aktuell/00089/index.html?lang=en&msg-id=40147|accessdate=9 July 2011|newspaper=The Federal Authorities of the Swiss Confederation|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=CHE
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=27
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Ook Nederland erkent Zuid-Sudan|url=http://nos.nl/artikel/254852-ook-nederland-erkent-zuidsudan.html|accessdate=9 July 2011|language=Dutch|newspaper=Nederlandse Omroep Stichting|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=NED
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=28
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.dhnet.be/infos/monde/article/360669/sud-soudan-reconnaissance-et-encouragements-de-la-belgique.html|title=Sud-Soudan: reconnaissance et encouragements de la Belgique|language=French|date=9 July 2011|accessdate=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=BEL
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=29
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite press release |title=Congratulatory message to the people of South Sudan on its day of independence |url=http://www.info.gov.za/speech/DynamicAction?pageid=461&sid=19858&tid=36976 |publisher=Government of South Africa |date=9 July 2011 |accessdate=11 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ZAF
  |UNSC={{Recognition of Country/Flag/UN|<br/>Non-Permanent<br/>Member}}
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=30
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref name="leparisien">{{cite news|title=La communauté internationale a rapidement reconnu le Sud-Soudan|url=http://www.leparisien.fr/flash-actualite-monde/la-communaute-internationale-a-rapidement-reconnu-le-sud-soudan-09-07-2011-1527093.php|accessdate=9 July 2011|date=9 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ETH
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=31
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|url=http://contacto-latino.com/news/1732771/la-libia-de-gadafi-reconoce-oficialmente-la-independencia-del-sur-terra-peru/|accessdate=12 July 2011|newspaper=Contacto Latino|date=9 July 2011|language=Spanish}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=LBY
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=32
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Latvia recognizes independence of South Sudan|url=http://www.am.gov.lv/lv/Jaunumi/PazinojumiPresei/2011/julijs/09-2/|accessdate=9 July 2011|date=9 July 2011|language=Latvian}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=LVA
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=33
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Foreign Ministry announcement on Greece’s recognition of South Sudan|url=http://www.mfa.gr/www.mfa.gr/Articles/en-US/090711_F1941.htm|accessdate=10 July 2011|publisher=[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Greece)]]|date=9 June 2011|language=English}}</ref>
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=34
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Jordan recognises South Sudan|url=http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle09.asp?xfile=data/international/2011/July/international_July475.xml&section=international|accessdate=9 July 2011|newspaper=Khaleej Times Online|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=35
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=India extends diplomatic recognition to South Sudan|url=http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5276914|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=IND
  |UNSC={{Recognition of Country/Flag/UN|<br/>Non-Permanent<br/>Member}}
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=36
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Le Luxembourg reconnaît la République du Sud-Soudan|url=http://www.mae.lu/fr/Site-MAE/Actualites/Le-Luxembourg-reconnait-la-Republique-du-Sud-Soudan|accessdate=9 July 2011|date=9 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=LUX
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=37
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Comunicado del Gobierno de Chile sobre Independencia de Sudán del Sur|url=http://www.minrel.gob.cl/prontus_minrel/site/artic/20110709/pags/20110709145015.php|date=9 July 2011|publisher=[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Chile]]|language=Spanish}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=CHL
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=38
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Statement of the Royal Government of Cambodia on the Proclamation of Independence of the Republic of South Sudan 9/7/2011|url=http://www.mfaic.gov.kh/mofa/Default.aspx?id=2846|accessdate=9 July 2011|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=CAM
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=39
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=S. Korea, South Sudan establish diplomatic ties|url=http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2011/07/10/0301000000AEN20110710001300315.HTML|accessdate=10 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=KOR
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=40
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Qatar Recognizes the Republic of South Sudan |url=http://www.qnaol.net/QNAEn/Local_News/Politics1/Pages/QatarRecognizestheRepublicofSouth09072011.aspx|accessdate=10 July 2011|newspaper=Qatar News Agency (QNA)|date=9 July 2011|language=English}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=QAT
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=41
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=The Maldives recognizes the Republic of South Sudan|url=http://foreign.gov.mv/new/tpl/news/article/134/|accessdate=10 July 2011|newspaper=Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Maldives|date=9 June 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=MDV
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=42
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Portugal já reconheceu Sudão do Sul|url=http://rr.sapo.pt/informacao_detalhe.aspx?fid=93&did=164033|accessdate=10 July 2011|date=9 July 2011|language=Portuguese}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=POR
  |UNSC={{Recognition of Country/Flag/UN|<br/>Non-Permanent<br/>Member}}
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=43
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Najmladší štát sveta Južný Sudán získava podporu vo svete|url=http://aktualne.centrum.sk/zahranicie/afrika/clanek.phtml?id=1237222|accessdate=10 July 2011|newspaper=Aktuálne.sk|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=SVK
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=44
  |day=9|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title= Statement by the Albanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the independence of the Republic of South Sudan|url=http://www.mfa.gov.al/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7712:deklarate-e-ministrise-se-puneve-te-jashtme-mbi-shpalljen-e-pavaresise-se-republikes-se-sudanit-te-jugut&catid=112:lajme&lang=en&Itemid=|language=English}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Albania recognizes the independence of Southern Sudan|url=http://english.albeu.com/albania-news/albania-recognizes-the-independence-of-southern-sudan/41020/|accessdate=11 July 2011|newspaper=Albeu|date=11 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ALB
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=45
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web |title=Cabinet communique |publisher= Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs |url=http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2011/Cabinet_communique_10-Jul-2011.htm |accessdate=10 July 2011 |date=10 July 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |publisher=Prime Minister's Office of Israel |title=PM Netanyahu's Remarks at the Start of the Weekly Cabinet Meeting |url=http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng/Communication/Spokesman/2011/07/spoekstart100711.htm |accessdate=10 July 2011 |date=10 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ISR
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=46
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Malta Recognises South Sudan 10/7/2011|url=http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110710/local/maltese-government-recognises-south-sudan.3748524|accessdate=10 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=MLT
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=47
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Somalia recognizes independence of South Sudan|url=http://hiiraan.com/news2/2011/July/somalia_recognizes_independence_of_south_sudan.aspx|accessdate=10 July 2011|newspaper=Hiraan Online|date=10 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=SOM
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=48
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Cape Verde recognizes the Republic of South Sudan|url=http://asemana.sapo.cv/spip.php?article66234&ak=1|accessdate=10 July 2011|newspaper=Aseman|date=10 July 2011|language=Portuguese}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=CPV
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=49
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Bahrain grants recognition of South Sudan as an independent state|url=http://www.mofa.gov.bh/Default.aspx?tabid=7824&language=en-US&ItemId=1246|accessdate=10 July 2011|newspaper=Kingdom of Bahrain Ministry of Foreign Affairs|date=10 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=BHR
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=50
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Việt Nam công nhận Nhà nước Nam Sudan|url=http://www.vtv.vn/Article/Get/Viet-Nam-cong-nhan-Nha-nuoc-Nam-Sudan-3326a5db48.html|accessdate=10 July 2011||language=Vietnamese|newspaper=Vietnam Television|date=10 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=VNM
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=51
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Kuwait Amir congratulates S. Sudan on independence |url=http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPublicSite/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2179363&Language=en}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=KWT
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=52
  |day=10|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Burkina Faso: la reconnaissance de l’Etat du Sud-Soudan|url=http://www.fasozine.com/index.php/societe/societe/6373-burkina-faso-la-reconnaissance-de-letat-du-sud-soudan|accessdate=10 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=BFA
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=53
  |day=11|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Estonia Plans to Recognise Independence of South Sudan|url=http://www.vm.ee/?q=en/node/12049|date=11 July 2011}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Estonia Recognizes South Sudan|url=http://news.err.ee/politics/1ce5b41e-55b5-426b-8b4b-cf6d9db45d5c}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Эстония признала независимость Южного Судана|url=http://rus.err.ee/foreign/f475a8ce-8cc0-41b4-bf91-5d59d146d17d|accessdate=11 July 2011|language=Russian}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Эстония признала Южный Судан|url=http://www.stolitsa.ee/news?22926|accessdate=11 July 2011|language=Russian}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=EST
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=54
  |day=11|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title= UAE recognizes South Sudan|url=http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/11/c_13978665.htm}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=UAE
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=55
  |day=11|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Prohlášení MZV k vyhlášení nezávislosti Jihosúdánské republiky|url=http://www.mzv.cz/jnp/cz/udalosti_a_media/prohlaseni_a_stanoviska/prohlaseni_mzv_k_vyhlaseni_nezavislosti.html|publisher=[[Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Czech Republic)]]|accessdate=11 July 2011|language=Czech}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=CZE
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=56
  |day=11|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Eritrea Officially Recognizes Republic Of South Sudan As Independent And Sovereign State|url=http://www.shabait.com/news/local-news/6318-eritrea-officially-recognizes-republic-of-south-sudan-as-independent-and-sovereign-state|publisher=Ministry of Information (Eritrea)|accessdate=11 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=ERI
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=57
  |day=11|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Saudi Arabia & UAE announce official recognition of South Sudan|url=http://world247.net/saudi-arabia-uae-announce-official-recognition-of-south-sudan/|accessdate=12 July 2011|newspaper=World247.net|date=12 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=SAU
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=58
  |day=12|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=RI recognizes newly-born South Sudan|url=http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/07/12/ri-recognizes-newly-born-south-sudan.html}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=IDN
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=59
  |day=12|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Namibia recognises South Sudan|url=http://www.namibian.com.na/news/full-story/archive/2011/july/article/namibia-recognises-south-sudan/|accessdate=12 July 2011|newspaper=The Namibian|date=12 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=NAM
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=60
  |day=12|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Le Sénégal reconnaît le Sud-Soudan comme Etat indépendant|url=http://www.aps.sn/aps.php?page=articles&id_article=82287|accessdate=10 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=SEN
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=61
  |day=12|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Slovenija priznala Južni Sudan |url=http://www.radiokrka.com/Novice/Novica/tabid/90/selectmoduleid/368/ArticleID/147631/Default.aspx|accessdate=15 July 2011|language=Slovene}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=SVN
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=62
  |day=12|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Ukraine recognized the Southern Sudan|url=http://en.ura-inform.com/politics/2011/07/12/sudan?nocache|accessdate=12 July 2011|date=12 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=UKR
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=63
  |day=13|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Diplomatie : la RDC reconnaît l'indépendance du Sud Soudan|url=http://www.7sur7.cd/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22372%3Adiplomatie--la-rdc-reconnait-lindependance-du-sud-soudan&catid=8%3Adepeche-de-brazzaville&lang=fr|accessdate=13 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=COD
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=64
  |day=13|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Liberia Recognizes South Sudan|url=http://www.liberianobserver.com/content/liberia-recognizes-south-sudan|accessdate=13 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=LBR
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=65
  |day=13|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=La Mauritanie reconnaît le nouvel Etat du Sud Soudan|url=http://www.fr.essirage.net/index.php/actualites/926-la-mauritanie-reconnait-le-nouvel-etat-du-sud-soudan|accessdate=13 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=MRT
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=66
  |day=13|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Djibouti reconnaît le Sud-Soudan|url=http://www.adjib.dj/actunat/sud-soudan.php|accessdate=13 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=DJI
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=67
  |day=13|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Uruguay reconoce a Sudán del Sur y busca establecer relaciones diplomáticas|url=http://noticias.terra.com.ar/internacionales/uruguay-reconoce-a-sudan-del-sur-y-busca-establecer-relaciones-diplomaticas,b03da8bbfb321310VgnVCM4000009bf154d0RCRD.html|accessdate=13 July 2011|language=Spanish}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|title=Independencia de la República de Sudán del Sur |url=http://www.presidencia.gub.uy/wps/wcm/connect/Presidencia/PortalPresidencia/Comunicacion/comunicacionNoticias/independencia-republica-sudan-sur|accessdate=13 July 2011|language=Spanish}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=URY
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=68
  |day=14|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Le président Alpha Condé reconnait la République du Soudan du Sud|url=http://www.kaloumpresse.com/guinee-politique/1-politique/985-le-president-alpha-conde-reconnait-la-republique-du-soudan-du-sud|date=15 July 2011|accessdate=16 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=GIN
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=69
  |day=14|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Guyana recognises newest nation South Sudan |url=http://www.demerarawaves.com/index.php/Latest/2011/07/14/guyana-recognises-newest-nation-south-sudan.html|accessdate=14 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=GUY
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=70
  |day=14|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=S'pore welcomes entry of South Sudan into UN |url=http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1140961/1/.html|accessdate=15 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=SGP
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=71
  |day=14|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Vlada usvojila odluku o priznavanju Republike Južni Sudan |url=http://www.gov.me/vijesti/107431/Vlada-usvojila-odluku-o-priznavanju-Republike-Juzni-Sudan.html|accessdate=15 July 2011|language=Montenegrin}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=MNE
  |EU={{Recognition of Country/Flag/EU|<br/>[[Accession of Montenegro to the European Union|Candidate]]}}|EUtype=Recognition of Country/P
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=72
  |day=15|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Le Gabon reconnaît le Sud Soudan |url=http://infosgabon.com/?p=11007|accessdate=15 July 2011|language=French}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=GAB
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=73
  |day=15|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Kazakhstan recognizes South Sudan - Foreign Ministry  |url=http://engnews.gazeta.kz/art.asp?aid=345175}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=KAZ
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=74
  |day=16|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Gobierno de Colombia saluda la independencia de Sudán del Sur |url=http://www.cancilleria.gov.co/wps/portal/espanol/!ut/p/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os_jQsKAwo2AXYwN_3yBTA6MwH7NAL1djI_dQE30_j_zcVP2CbEdFAIiEiFo!/dl2/d1/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnB3LzZfVVZSVjJTRDMwTzE4RjBJRTBOSFJJVTFHTDE!/?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/WCM_PRENSA/prensa/actualidad_/gobierno+de+colombia+saluda+la+independencia+de+sudan+del+sur1#inicio|language=Spanish|date=16 July 2011|accessdate=17 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=COL
  |UNSC={{Recognition of Country/Flag/UN|<br/>Non-Permanent<br/>Member}}
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=75
  |day=16|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Iran hails independence of South Sudan|url=http://english.irib.ir/news/political/item/77098-iran-hails-independence-of-south-sudan?tmpl=component&print=1|language=English|date=16 July 2011|accessdate=18 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=IRN
}}
{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=76
  |day=19|month=7|year=2011
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite web|title=Lebanon recognizes South Sudan |url=http://http://www.albawaba.com/south-sudans-new-currency-launched-amidst-concerns-over-omission-date-383760tmpl=component&print=1|language=English|date=19 July 2011|accessdate=19 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=LIB
}}
|}

In the process of formally and fully recognising South Sudan

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!Date of [[diplomatic recognition|recognition]]
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  |Num=
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  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Южен Судан - най-младата държава в Африка|url=http://www.mfa.bg/bg/news/view/31508|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=BUL
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=
  |dateo=N/A
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Cabinet Committee on Foreign and Security Policy discussed the independence process of South Sudan|url=http://formin.finland.fi/Public/default.aspx?contentid=224774&nodeid=15145&culture=en-US|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=FIN
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{{Recognition of Country-NonNATOEU
  |Num=
  |dateo=N/A
  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Magyarország napokon belül elismeri Dél-Szudánt|url=http://www.hir24.hu/kulfold/2011/07/09/magyarorszag-napokon-belul-elismeri-del-szudant%281%29/|date=9 July 2011}}</ref> 
  |CountryCode=HUN
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Conflicting sources regarding the recognition of South Sudan

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!Date of [[diplomatic recognition|recognition]]
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  |Num=
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  |Datesup=<ref>{{cite news|title=Søren Pind: En vild fest|url=http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-41573857:s%C3%B8ren-pind-en-vild-fest.html|accessdate=12 July 2011|newspaper=[[TV2 Denmark]]|language= Danish|date=9 July 2011}}</ref>
  |CountryCode=DEN
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|}

Discussion

I think flags and abbreviation should be used in a yes/no manner much like Visa policy in the European Union#Visa_policy_of_future_European_Union_member_states. Currently I cannot sort entries based on political organizations. I'll make a bold attempt to this end (without adding NATO or EU) -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 19:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

List could read "member" or "observer" instead of "yes" maybe. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 20:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I'll be bold and add NATO and EU to demonstrate how little of an impact it has. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 00:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Done first 30 for example purposes. Do you see the patterns I see in the above chart? For the first 30 Arab League members weren't too keen on recognizing South Sudan while NATO and EU affiliates were more keen on recognition. What isn't present could be just as relevant as what is present. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 01:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, thats all of them alright. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 16:53, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

You need to remember that the focus of this article is on the countries that have recognised South Sudan. What you're proposing is changing its focus into a list of countries' membership in international organisations. The membership, while important, should be no more than a footnote - I feel that what you've proposed is far too overt. Bazonka (talk) 06:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

How so? Why are international organizations even mentioned in the article then? My suggestion merely reproduces the same info in a structured manner. With the new "model" of information representation, I can see relationships between recognition of different countries. I can for instance cluster "Africa Union" member states to see them in a list. This would eliminate the need to create articles like International recognition of South Sudan by African Union countries. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 12:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

You're not reproducing the same info, you're adding additional info. And making the right-hand side of the table much bigger and giving it garish colours. The only important thing really is in the left-hand side of the table - you're making the footnote information on the right much too prominent. Bazonka (talk) 21:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Certain things can be abbreviated to fix the width issue. I am sorry but there is a massive difference between a recognition by the United States, France, Colombia and Singapore. The field establishes that more or less. If the field is that irrelevant, it can be completely removed but I do not think it is as irrelevant as a footnote. --06:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I see you boldly made the change anyway, despite my reservations. Really you should gain consensus when making a massive change like this. I disagree that there are massive differences in recognition between USA, France, etc. What we are documenting here is fairly mundane. There is no controversy about South Sudan's statehood, so therefore it is highly likely that all countries are going to recognise it sooner or later. They're all the same. There's no patterns or significance to their international membership. The only reason that not all countries are listed is because a) some foreign ministries are not as efficient or have higher priorities, and b) they have recognised but this has not been reported in the media. Bazonka (talk) 07:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

If you were to take the time to read edit summaries you would know the intention was to promote the change and hence generate discussion, thanks to you no one is aware of the change. One does not need to gain consensus to make edits on wikipedia. Bold edits are welcome. Edit wars are however bad and that is not my intention. Frankly, you haven't made much of a reservation. From the looks of things you want to keep the list as is opposing any kind of change. If you are interested in some sort of compromise, you should mention it. If your oppose doesn't go beyond "I don't like it" it will not be a fruitful discussion here. Status quo is atrocious to read making editing a chore. The list is difficult to follow with tens of repeats of the same words (organization names) with multiple redundant links to the same articles. It is also difficult to follow. Your claims (a and b)unless based on a source are merely your opinions unfortunately. Many of the African union members refused to recognize South Sudan or at least delayed recognition. We have seen such issues with countries like Kosovo and Montenegro in the past. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 18:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way - I was just following the standard WP:BRD process - your edit summary was effectively inviting a revert anyway. I agree that there are too many redundant links in the current list - some deduplication in the style of that at International recognition of Kosovo is warranted. But you will never convince me that your table is better. For one thing, you'd have to keep scrolling up to the top to see what the columns were for - not clear at all. Bazonka (talk) 07:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I have extended my proposal to cover all such recognition articles which would include Kosovo one. Indeed, I do not mind the revert but you haven't really provided a reason for your revert so far. Linking some policy or guideline is the worst way to discuss a topic. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 21:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, here are three good reasons why I don't like your suggestion:

1. It's hard to see what's going on. When you're looking at the bottom of the list, you can't see the top of it (where the column headings are), and so you you have to scroll up to the top again to see what the boxes refer to. It's just not easy to use.
2. Not all of the columns you have added are relevant. EU and NATO? For South Sudan? Really?
3. The important part of the table is the list of countries and the dates. The international membership column(s) is/are an interesting footnote, but is/are not the primary information. Your proposed change is big and bright - it takes the focus away from the primary function of the table, and turns it into something that it isn't meant to be. Whether e.g. Canada and Japan are members of the Commonwealth or not, isn't really in line with the focus of an article on the International recognition of South Sudan. Bazonka (talk) 07:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I numbered your list so I can reply in a more structured manner.

1. Not really, it is fairly easy to follow. Same can be said about any and every sorted list on the entire website. However the membership columns could be color coded to represent membership making it even easier to follow - however I would only do such a thing if there is consensus that this is needed as it may get too colorful.
2. EU and NATO as discussed above are featured to demonstrate how it would look when included. Since the presence of the two does not influence the width of the table and in the absence of any kind of consensus on this thread I did not see a reason to remove them to show how they would look. It is fairly easy to hide them if they are still unwanted using the template structure I put forward (just by passing an empty NATO and EU parameter).
3. You claim that "international membership column(s) is/are an interesting footnote", to me however it is the most significant piece of information. Either that row needs to be completely removed. To me its importance exceeds a footnote.
4. The proposed method is structured and also is a lot easier to use since parameters are named.

-- とある白い猫 ^chi? 09:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

1. I disagree. Whilst it's easy to understand what's going on, without scrolling or reordering, the information is not readily available. The structure that we have in the article at the moment doesn't allow sorting, but at least you can see what's what.
2. "The presence of the two does not influence the width of the table"! What? You're adding two extra columns! Anyway, the merits of EU/NATO inclusion in the list has been discussed elsewhere.
3. The article is entitled International recognition of South Sudan not Members of the Commonwealth of Nations etc. How on earth is this membership more significant than the list of recognisers and the dates that they recognised?
4. Irrelevant. We are discussing content, not ease of implementing that content. Something that is technically wonderful is of no benefit if it doesn't deliver what people want or need.

I am keen to read the thoughts of others. Bazonka (talk) 11:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

1. Unstructured information is very hard to follow. I want to allow the reader to sort if they want to do so. Improvements to fix the issues you mention has been conducted.
2. The width of the table is still less than the current status of the article. I have removed EU and NATO so this argument is moot.
3. That is the kind of information I find very important, to you it is just an unimportant footnote. Let's agree to disagree since this logic is going nowhere.
4. Irrelevant? We want wikipedia to be easily editable by newbies. How on earth is that irrelevant? We are discussing the use of a template as well as style changes.

-- とある白い猫 ^chi? 12:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I would agree that mentioning links to International Organisations is relevant, and that such memberships can, in certain cases, bring insight into a state's decision whether or not to recognise South Sudan (or any new state). However, I have to agree with Bazonka that the proposed table changes the emphasis of the article from its stated purpose ("International recgonition of South Sudan") to a new focus (namely, analysis of membership in international organisations by states involved with the recognition of South Sudan). I do not think this change would be constructive, and I think that the information as provided in the current template is quite sufficient for anyone interested in the topic. Maethordaer (talk) 15:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Every so often a new country is born that lacks international recognition for decades to come (if ever). Creating an article like International recognition of South Sudan is a serious chore since you'd have to look up individual membership of every recognizing country one by one. With the proposal that is no longer unnecessary. You can simply link to the relevant template and pull the information you want to provide.

Currently no template is being used, it is just a table with very complex code particularly with the presence of refs. It is difficult for people - particularly newer editors to edit the page at all without breaking. This shows with the number of "add this" comments on the talk page here. That is HARDLY irrelevant. Even I, a table/template guru have difficulty following the code. This is the very reason why templates are preferable on lists instead of raw tables.

The information provided is only structured. No additional information is provided. How would providing the same information in a structured manner not be constructive? Whats destructive about the proposal?

The proposal can be improved based on remarks here. As I suggested the cells for individual organizations could be colored differently. For instance EU could be light blue NATO dark blue, AL green, AU gold/yellow, OIC black, Commonwealth red. This would make following them a lot easier. Alternatively instead of "member" the logos of the said organizations can be presented. This is however just makeup though I like the flag idea particularly more. African Union does have a flag - just one isn't presented on wikipedia (Google images returns lots of hits) though I do not know if it is official. In a worst case scenario, a single color, letters AU or a placeholder image can be used. In fact, I will attempt the flag trick.

-- とある白い猫 ^chi? 09:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Presence of EU and NATO were for example purposes on how wide the template would get, I have removed it since people are complaining over it. The entries can be easily restored or hidden with the template structure. Old version can be viewed here -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 12:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The new version of your template with flags is a definite improvement. My main criticism is that the flags are too large - they should not overshadow the country flag on the left-hand side of the table. I'm sure that this will be easy enough to fix. I like the way that the table is flexible, and that it can be used in other similar articles (note that I have never had a problem with the behind-the-scenes technology, just with the displayed content).

However, if this is going to be used properly, then the data in each of the country templates will need to be further expanded - Caribbean Community, OAS, ASEAN, etc. What will happen in the future when a completely new organisation comes into being? It will not be easy to update this (but not altogether impossible).

Also, I'm not absolutely convinced that the table's use will make the editing of articles like this one much easier - the code is still not immediately straightforward. Many editors will be able to use it, but I think there will always be some who just leave comments here, and are not confident enough to make a change themselves. There's probably not a lot that we can do about this.

Bazonka (talk) 08:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

A further thought: currently your template calls numerous country templates, each of which has international membership hard-coded within. This is not easily extensible, e.g. if information on membership of a new/additional organisation is needed. Instead, would it be possible to have a template for each organisation, listing member states? Your template above would specify which organisations are relevant, and the coding magic would interrogate the necessary organisation templates. This way, it would be possible to add new organisations without having to edit 200 or so country templates. Is this possible? Bazonka (talk) 09:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Glad you asked. I have made it possible to overwrite each parameter. International organizations do not easy accept new members and do not often kick countries out easily. For instance say when (and if) Montenegro joins the EU, templates talking about Montenegro candidacy to EU could overwrite the new membership info. This is particularly helpful with UN Security Council temporary members where membership as name implies is quite temporary.

I made the organization flags larger so they are clearer. It is trivial to fix its size by changing the templates such as {{Recognition of Country/Flag/NATO}} or {{Recognition of Country/Flag/OIC}}. I haven't messed with sizes much because making them smaller has the potential where the flags become indistinguishable. EU and NATO for example. File:Flag of the Commonwealth of Nations.svg its particularly hard to tell for organizations such as OIC or Arab League where the detailed info is very relevant. Also individual cells for organizations are about 35px wide which corresponds to the sorting insignia and also the 2-4 letter abbreviation so making images smaller will only generate white space. I can make it smaller if you like however one other possibility is making country flag images the same width as organization ones. Currently the country flags are 22px wide while organization flags are 35px wide. What do you think?

My problem currently is that there are a lot of templates to handle I am working on remaking the templates so that they are easier to create and update. I would be happy to see other international organisations included later on but I am holding back on that till existing ones are properly sorted out. I am adding UN membership as an option too - I want to avoid controversy but I noticed some of the organizations have countries that have non UN members. An uncontroversial example would be Vatican City (whom should join UN just to make our lives easier here on Wikipedia :P).

-- とある白い猫 ^chi? 00:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

edit point 1

A thought is including membership dates within the templates and the templates deciding (based on the passed date) if a country is a member or not. Parser functions should be able to handle this but templates would need to be redone - which is OK since most templates need to be recreated anyways. It is a lot of work and I would welcome any of it. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 04:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

• equal dates: {{Recognition of Country/Date|membership=2011-07-31|current=2011-07-31|info=should be shown}}
  • input: membership=2011-07-31 current=2011-07-31
• membership later than "current": {{Recognition of Country/Date|membership=2011-08-01|current=2011-07-31|info=should not be shown}}
  • input: membership=2011-08-01 current=2011-07-31
• membership before "current": {{Recognition of Country/Date|membership=2011-07-30|current=2011-07-31|info=should be shown}}
  • input: membership=2011-07-30 current=2011-07-31
• partial membership: {{Recognition of Country/Date|membership=2011-08-30|partialmembership=2011-05-30|current=2011-07-31|info=membership should not be shown|partialinfo=partial membership should be shown}}
  • input: membership=2011-08-30 partialmembership=2011-05-30 current=2011-07-31

  Seems to work fine. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 04:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

You might want to have a look at the tables in Legal status of Western Sahara - these have small org flags with annotations. It doesn't look too bad. Bazonka (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

I can adjust the size of the flags then, no problem. You can adjust the sizes of all flags by modifying {{Membership/Sub/Size}}. I try to make things as simple as possible :) Feel free to play around with size if you like.

What do you think of the auto pick membership based on date idea? UNSC temporary membership probably can also be handled in such a manner but I do not know if it'd be worth the effort.

-- とある白い猫 ^chi? 16:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

{{Membership/Sub/Head|AL=Hide|CON=Hide|EAC=Hide}}
{{Membership/Democratic Republic of the Congo|AL=Hide|CON=Hide|EAC=Hide}}
{{Membership/France|AL=Hide|CON=Hide|EAC=Hide}}
{{Membership/Turkey|AL=Hide|CON=Hide|EAC=Hide}}
|}
{{Membership/Sub/Head}}
{{Membership/Democratic Republic of the Congo|year=1994|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/France|year=1994|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/Turkey|year=1994|month=7|day=1}}
|}
{{Membership/Sub/Head}}
{{Membership/Democratic Republic of the Congo|year=1964|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/France|year=1964|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/Turkey|year=1964|month=7|day=1}}
|}
{{Membership/Sub/Head}}
{{Membership/Democratic Republic of the Congo|year=1958|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/France|year=1958|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/Turkey|year=1958|month=7|day=1}}
|}
{{Membership/Sub/Head}}
{{Membership/Democratic Republic of the Congo|year=1949|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/France|year=1949|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/Turkey|year=1949|month=7|day=1}}
|}
{{Membership/Sub/Head}}
{{Membership/Democratic Republic of the Congo|year=1946|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/France|year=1946|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/Turkey|year=1946|month=7|day=1}}
|}
{{Membership/Sub/Head}}
{{Membership/Democratic Republic of the Congo|year=1945|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/France|year=1945|month=7|day=1}}
{{Membership/Turkey|year=1945|month=7|day=1}}
|}

To demonstrate what I mentioned I have created an example using France. See how membership changes based on the date? This can be managed automatically. The idea can be developed more. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 17:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Clarification of recognition vs. "welcoming" needed!

There seems to be a disagreement as to what constitutes a recognition versus just a nice, warm perfunctory welcoming note. Is a welcome note enough to say recognition if whoever responsible for diplomatic decisions makes the statement? Or an official government media outlet acknowledges it? Or does the text have to explicitly say the word "recognition" in whatever source language the statement is found?

Clarification of what is acceptable is needed.

Ajbenj (talk) 02:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Now South Sudan is a UN member, and because its existence is not controversial, then all countries will already de facto recognise it (as far as I know, no states have outright rejected the existence of South Sudan). It is largely irrelevant as to whether they issue a formal statement of recognition or not - they're not going to treat it any differently. This is especially true for some of the smaller non-African countries which are unlikely to have any dealings with South Sudan - there's no pressing need for them to establish diplomatic relations. Some countries (e.g. New Zealand) never issue formal recognition statements, but that doesn't mean that they don't accept the existence of the new state.

I think that a welcoming statement is just as valid as a formal recognition. Practically, the meaning is the same. But perhaps we could state in the table which ones are formal recognitions and which ones aren't.

We should also bear in mind that recognition of a non-controversial state is not especially big news, particularly for less developed countries. Just because we don't know about it, it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. Bazonka (talk) 07:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I think that revising the table to notify readers of whether or not the recognition is formal is an excellent idea. And you also have a point that no nations have outright refused to recognize it. However, that makes me question the existence of this page in the first place. Is it still necessary or is it not important enough that we can simply add a paragraph or two about it on the main article? Zzyx19770 (talk) 23:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Very well then. I have found a few "welcome" notes including North Korea and Peru listed here. I'll add them. We really should merge this page with Foreign relations of South Sudan, much like the Foreign Relations of Montenegro page. With notation on the table of welcomes vs explicit recognition.

Ajbenj (talk) 07:11, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Whilst I entirely agree, I think that it is probably too soon to merge the page. We have only recently finished an AfD, where many contributors voted to keep it. I suggest waiting a bit longer before merging. Bazonka (talk) 09:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The proposed template (above) can incorporate this fairly easily to show the level of recognition. I would interpret welcoming a new country as formal recognition since otherwise countries would not even mention the name in official statements. However the date of formal recognition where the recognition is officially published may come at a later date. Sourcing is particularly problematic as the main source seems to be newspapers and other media instead of official government sites. This needs to be fixed perhaps. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 12:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Recognition

Pakistan has formally recognised South Sudan. 1 Could anyone update the international recognition map? Mar4d (talk) 00:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. I've replaced the map with a png version, which more clearly shows international boundaries - this is the preferred style on the Kosovo recognition article. Bazonka (talk) 09:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Choice of map

I recently replaced the svg map in this article with a png version. I feel that the png version is better - it shows international boundaries more clearly, and smaller countries are more obviously depicted. On the svg map these are quite difficult to see, and it is almost impossible to tell what colour they are.

svg version

png version

alternative png version

An IP user reverted my change with the comment "why would you replace a good svg with a bad png". I disagree with this - I think that I replaced a bad svg with a good png. What do other people think?
(Note that this issue has previously been discussed regarding the International recognition of Kosovo article. Whilst there were differences of opinion, the png map was preferred.)
Bazonka (talk) 15:09, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the .svg version so you can see the boundaries and small countries — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spesh531 (talk) 21:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

That's better, but I must say that I still prefer the png version. To my mind, the svg map is over-detailed (just look at the Maldives for example); the map only needs to show which countries have recognised and which haven't - it doesn't need to go into huge geographic detail.

I also notice that an alternative png is now being used. Whilst better than the svg, I still prefer the original png. What do other people think? Bazonka (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I do not think that the new png file should be used because it is just an older version of the alternate map with the same information. ––Spesh531, My talk, and External links 22:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The alternate one contains the unrecognized countries (example:Somaliland, Transnistria, Palestine, Sawrahi Republic...––Spesh531, My talk, and External links 22:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I do not like the presence of land locked small lakes. The white areas south of south Sudan are particularly confusing. it looks sort of like yellow implying South Sudan territory when it really is white blending with green. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 12:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Was there any consensus reached to change the image? The SVG is much better. If you have an issue with it, state it and I will fix it. Going from SVG to PNG is always a step in the wrong direction. — MK (^t/_c) 03:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The technology behind an SVG may be superior to that behind a PNG, so in principle I agree that SVGs should be the preferred option. However, in this case it's the content that's the problem.

The map in the PNG image is, in my opinion, much better than that in the SVG image. The point of this map is to clearly show which countries have recognised South Sudan. The PNG version does this well - you can easily see what's green and what's not. International borders are well defined and small countries are clearly depicted with a little circle. You don't have to enlarge the map much before you can see the content properly.

The SVG, on the other hand, is nowhere near as clear. The main reason is that there is too much detail in the coastlines and borders. At the scale at which the image is likely to be viewed (i.e. after one click, without going to full resolution), this is way too much - look at the extreme complication of the Maldives in the SVG image compared to the simplicity of it in the PNG, for example. It is poor cartographic practice to go into more detail than is necessary (and I trained as a cartographer, so I do know what I'm talking about). Even at full resolution (on my monitor at least), it's not easy to see what colour some of the countries are, e.g. Bahamas. The addition of dots for the small countries has improved the SVG, but it's still not as user-friendly as the PNG.

If its look-and-feel were identical to the PNG image, then I would certainly advocate the SVG's use in preference to the PNG, but not now. (Oh, and by the way, I also prefer the original PNG to the alternative one, for the reasons that User:とある白い猫 gave.) Bazonka (talk) 08:17, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan

Has anyone information on a possible Azerbaijani recognition of South Sudan. Because it would be problematic for them to ever recognize south sudan as that would legitimize nagorno karabakh. I think azerbaijan will be one of the nations that will never recognize south sudan.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Unanimous recognition

Considering South Sudan entered the UN as a new member state through what BBC calls a unanimous vote, or what other sources have called through acclamation, the state is really recognised as a fellow member of the international community by all 192 other UN member states. Should this article be changed to cover diplomatic relations? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I think that is an over assumption but that's something we may do eventually. I think it is wise to give this 2 months (from deceleration of independence / 8 July) to let things cool. That is my proposal. -- とある白い猫 ^chi? 19:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Mexico has made a statement which amounts to recognition. http://radioformula.com.mx/notas.asp?Idn=185154 Ladril (talk) 17:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

No, it is not the same, see here - Foreign_relations_of_Montenegro#States_that_have_explicitly_recognized_Montenegro_and.2F_or_establishment_of_diplomatic_relations --Avala (talk) 13:22, 3 August 2011 (UTC)