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A fact from International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 November 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the global coalition to save Abu Simbel, Philae and many other temples led to the creation of the modern list of World Heritage Sites?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia.

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia

... that the global coalition to save Abu Simbel, Philae and many other temples (pictured) led to the creation of the modern list of World Heritage Sites? Source: The World Heritage Convention: "The event that aroused particular international concern was the decision to build the Aswan High Dam in Egypt, which would have flooded the valley containing the Abu Simbel temples, a treasure of ancient Egyptian civilization. In 1959, after an appeal from the governments of Egypt and Sudan, UNESCO launched an international safeguarding campaign. Archaeological research in the areas to be flooded was accelerated. Above all, the Abu Simbel and Philae temples were dismantled, moved to dry ground and reassembled. The campaign cost about US$80 million, half of which was donated by some 50 countries, showing the importance of solidarity and nations' shared responsibility in conserving outstanding cultural sites. Its success led to other safeguarding campaigns, such as saving Venice and its Lagoon (Italy) and the Archaeological Ruins at Moenjodaro (Pakistan), and restoring the Borobodur Temple Compounds (Indonesia). Consequently, UNESCO initiated, with the help of the International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS), the preparation of a draft convention on the protection of cultural heritage."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Djibo and Template:Did you know nominations/Sieges of Tiberias (1742–1743)

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 13:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Seems interesting, deserves a review. Bookku (talk) 10:06, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, interesting. Also surprising that we haven't got an article already covering this topic; seems to have had quite an impact. It's a new article and it's long enough, but there are several uncited paragraphs. Could that please be mended, as it's a DYK requirement to not have that? Schwede 66 19:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Schwede66, thanks for reviewing these articles. I have been through both articles and added citations as required. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia

Right, let's get into this. International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia first. This is a new enough article (nominated just outside the 7-day window; no issue) and long enough. The last sentence of the first lead paragraph needs a copyedit. It's neutral and adequately sourced. Earwig is happy. That article is good to go.
Regarding the hook, the image has a clean license. I'm not sure that it really works to have the text as part of the image, which turns it into an infographic. It's just too small at the size at which it is displayed on the main page. Maybe use this crop instead (International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia (page 1 crop).jpg)? The hook is interesting. It uses the word "global" which isn't in the "International Campaign to Save the Monuments of Nubia" article. As the 50 countries aren't listed, maybe global isn't the right word (there's no way to know whether those countries span the globe). Having watched the first video, it uses the term "multi-national" and whilst this term isn't in the article either, it more accurately describes the situation. See what you think using this word in an ALT1. If you use the cropped picture, maybe the phrase "pictured" should be amended to read "relocation pictured". Hook is sourced.
QPQs are done.

I'll review the other article next and will then use a review symbol. Schwede 66 19:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for a great review. On the countries involved, see pages 185, 191 and 196 of this excellent article by Lucia Allais. She took the data from the 1987 book by Torgny Säve-Söderbergh, which is also in the bibliography (and available on archive.org). I am fine with the cropped picture as you suggest. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:39, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see two options going forward:

You talk about the 50 countries covering the whole globe and use that source as a reference, or
You add the 50 countries to the article (preferably in a collapsed box) using that source as a reference

Either will do to satisfy hook sourcing requirements. Me simply checking out the source won't do. Schwede 66 00:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK no problem. I have gone for option 3, and added a large new section summarizing the contributions of the various countries. I had been meaning to do this work, so thanks for the push. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice! Individual Egyptian campaigns needs a reference. Schwede 66 17:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

World Heritage Convention New article; plenty long enough. Adequately sourced. The big issue is that more than half of the article is a quote (Earwig is obviously not happy, but it does relate to the quote only) and on top of that, it's only clear from context that it's a quote; it's not using quote marks. There are no hard and fast rules about how much is too much, but WP:OVERQUOTING would suggest that we are in breach here. What I suggest you do is to retain article number and titles, and the paraphrase what those articles say. I'm open to other suggestions, too.

Overall, this is where we are at. Schwede 66 18:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Schwede66, many thanks for your review. I have addressed the quotation question by collapsing the detailed text. I have kept the titles of the key articles, as they help explain the key contents of the convention. On a related note, I can confirm that the treaty text is not subject to copyright (see Commons:Template:PD-UN-doc). I have also added the reference for the Individual Egyptian campaigns section in the other article. Onceinawhile (talk) 21:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both articles are now fine and all DYK requirements have been met. Very good work! Now that you've removed the text of the individual articles, the headings should no longer be in bold font (but that's a stylistic issue that won't hold up promotion). Given the significance of this plus the good quality of the articles, I suggest that this should be considered as lead hook. Schwede 66 21:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: 311_History of Ancient Egypt

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 22 March 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lindsing17 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Honkshoo The Bird Man.

— Assignment last updated by Johnstoncl (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

This may happily be deleted by future users, I am simply testing the function of a talk page. Lindsing17 (talk) 08:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a photo and fixed some minor formatting issues — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindsing17 (talk • contribs) 08:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Content

This article focuses mainly on the temples. But it has almost no mention of all of fortresses, villages, cemeteries, individual burials, and so much more. These 'monuments' of Egyptian and Nubian history were briefly recorded and then flooded because they could not be moved. Can some please address this egregious content gap? Start with William Y Adams' Nubia Corridor to Africa.

Additionally, all of these countries are mentioned as helping, but there is no mention of what they are saving. So it comes off as very orientalist in its perspective. Perhaps it would be more equitable and help to decolonize the issue, if someone added what was learned and saved from their efforts besides just the tourist temples. Dwarfseneb (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this important contribution. Per WP:BOLD, please feel free to develop the article yourself if you have the time. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]