Talk:Ilaiyaraaja

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Apparently, Ilaiyaraaja featured in the front cover of the Tamil edition of India Today (see here). This 3rd August 2005 issue contains an interview with the composer. Has anyone read it? I presume it is published in the Tamil language. I don't read the Tamil language, and so the article would not be accessible to me. I would however appreciate it if someone has read the article and could perhaps provide me with some details of its content. Thanks. AppleJuggler 03:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

A few things i can think of to make this wiki more closer to a complete reference about the Maestro. 1.) Ilayaraja as a photographer - photography is his hobby. 2.) Ilayaraja's spirituality - the TIS is a musical expression of the spiritual aspect of his life. 3.) A list of interesting facts about Ilayaraja.A few examples: Singer SPB being one of the singers who has worked with almost all the indian film composers over the past 3 decades, was asked on a telugu channel to name yestyear and contemporary composers who had a perfect knowledge of rhythm and rhythmic patterns. SPB said there is only one such person who composes rhythm for his music all by himself and it is Ilayaraja. All others ask their percussionists to play different patterns and select one of them.Ilayaraja writes down what he wants and gives it off to the percussionists to play. Another fact...when his first song for his first movie annakili was to be recorded, things were all set, the count began 1,2,3,4....and there was a power shutdown. This was considered a bad sign by many.We all know how popular the songs from that movie went on to be and where it has brought Ilayaraja today. This is a lesson for all those who believe more in such superstitions and less in their own talents. How the Maestro selected a violinist when ther were 10 of them waiting for 1 vacancy in his orchestra... He dropped a coin on the floor and asked each one of them to produce that sound, of a coin settleing on the ground. ---> From unknown contributor (221.134.214.24)

Suggestions for improvement from peer reviews

I've cut and paste here some of the comments received from various peer review requests. More may be forthcoming so keep checking via the links provided, as I can't keep cutting and pasting new comments here all the time. But for the time being, here are some constructive comments provided so far. Hope it helps you, dear Wikipedia visitor/editor/improver, to brush up this article. AppleJuggler 04:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

FROM: peer review

Nice article and well-citated. Some remarks:

• You could add one more paragraph in the lead. Have you checked WP:LEAD? Yes I've checked WP:LEAD. The single-paragraph lead for this article appears adequate, unless someone else thinks otherwise. Done. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• The information about his family could go in "Early life and education", which could be mentioned "Early life and family". This last information in "Music and Career" look like trivia information which is not good. By the way, try to expand a bit "Early life and family"; it looks stubby to me. Done. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• "Career and music" is long. You could divide it in further sections, e.g. "Early career", "Mature career", "Traits of his art", where you could further expand and analyse. Done. AppleJuggler 02:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• The fact that you have just one photo is not the best thing for FAC. It is not necessary to have more of them, but it would be nice.
• Sections "Awards and nominations","Partial discography" and "Literary works" are three sections in a row, which are long and listy. I think you should turn "Awards and nominations" into prose. Now, about "Partial Discography", I'm afraid that in FAC you'll be asked to make it even more partial! "Literary works" could also be turned into prose, but I'm not definite about the necessity of that. --Yannismarou 13:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Done. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

FROM: peer review

• Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Ruhrfisch 03:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

(please go to the link above to see automated peer review suggestions)

• I think that the Career and Music section could do with being divided up into a few subsections. It's well written and referenced, but this is a bit long for one section compared to most articles. Done. AppleJuggler 02:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

More images too, how about some of the posters of films he has done the soundtracks for? Puddleman 09:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

FROM: talk page

• The lead needs improvement. (I've improved it, but if you think it can be made even better, please leave a note here on the Discussion page and we'll discuss about it AppleJuggler 04:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC))
• Concert performances looks stubby. You could expand on that or include it in the rest of the article. Done. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• Miscellanea could be added to other sections of the article. Done. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• Partial discography is too long. They don't seem to like that in FAC. Done. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

These are just some comments. If you desire a review, please use the peer review process. Nat91 03:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• The article looks profeesional at the introduction but is not in a physical or mental attractive way for the audience to carry on reading. Amended. AppleJuggler 15:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
• The discography looks shabby and needs sharpening up. The partial discography has been significantly reduced in length and other sources provided for interested readers to obtain a more detailed discography. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
• It was a close call between Start and B, but I decided to be harsh on your request.

These are just some comments. If you desire a review, please use the peer review process. Thamizhan 10:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

FROM: Good Article reviewer

If the article was peer-reviewed, some things people would likely say, is that his birth name should be mentioned in the lead section ( DoneAppleJuggler 05:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)), that the external links should be cleaned up  Done AppleJuggler 15:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)), that it would be nice with a CD- or bookcover of his work, and that it should be expanded. Fred-Chess 08:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)  Done AppleJuggler 03:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

 Done "Ilaiyaraaja" or "Ilayaraja"? -- Consensus Forum

Quite frequently, the composer's name has been changed in the Wikipedia article alternatingly between the above two (or variants of these). I propose that a consensus be reached on an accepted spelling of the composer's name. According to the the supposedly official website (www.raaja.com), the spelling is "Ilaiyaraaja". I propose that this spelling be used for his name consistently, in this Wikipedia article and where it is mentioned elsewhere in Wikipedia. Unless an alternative and correct spelling of the name can be proposed (with evidence, of course, of its correctness), I believe it is safest to stick to the "Ilaiyaraaja" version. Would appreciate opinions and feedback on this. Thanks. AppleJuggler 05:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

This arises from the simple fact that many people in (over) enthusiasm try to transliterate the English form into tamil and get a "new" name in the process. I will try to locate some old Casettes and check the name printed there. WE can then decide based on that. I think that (lookig at the cassette cover) will be a good idea instead of asking opinion from every one.  Doctor Bruno Talk 02:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Bruno, you have a good point. An academic journal article I found (the one that is referenced in this Ilaiyaraja article) spells his name as "Ilaiyaraaja". This is also how it is spelt on the composer's official website, raaja.com. Would be interesting to see what some of your old cassette tapes would have it as. AppleJuggler 03:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

From the official Ilaiyaraaja page, and various other sources (such as The Hindu newspaper and a peer-reviewed journal article), I have gathered that the correct spelling for Ilaiyaraaja's name is 'Ilaiyaraaja' and have hence redirected the page. Hope everyone's fine with that. AppleJuggler 10:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 Done Ilaiyaraaja's concert in Italy

We need a source for the statement that he was involved in an Italian music festival. Can someone find it please? If not, I propose we remove that statement. Cheers. AppleJuggler 05:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Managed to find a source for this statement. Hyperlinked it into article. AppleJuggler 11:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

 Done Redirection and merging of page

Page Ilayaraja moved to Ilayaraaja (correct spelling according to official website. See references) -- Ambarish 22:33, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

• So spellings in page content need changing? Andy Mabbett 22:37, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • I've just made the changes. Thanks. -- Ambarish 23:06, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Merged in contents of page Ilaiayaraja. There was a photo on either page. I've retained one of them. Any thoughts on what to do with the other? -- Ambarish 23:06, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 Done Biased Statement

I feel that the following words are biased "He has no knowledge of music but tried to get into the industry. He is absolutely overconfident of all and blushes aside all others. He is not a fit music Director"

They should be removed Doctor Bruno 14:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. AppleJuggler 05:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

 Done Infobox

Would be good if an infobox could be inserted. AppleJuggler 06:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. But the photo's resolution has gone out of whack. Could someone help rectify, or obtain a different photograph that would behave? AppleJuggler 09:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

 Done Reference section

I've created a reference section. I cited Greene (2001), who mentioned the following: "Some film music directors, like Ilaiyaraaja, incorporate the melodies and instruments of village folk music...". This helps substantiate the statement made in this Wiki about Ilaiyaraja's usage of Indian folk elements in popular film music. I urge editors to obtain and cite credible references where and when possible. Thanks. AppleJuggler 08:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Some dude (or dudette) at Wesleyan University had written a Masters thesis in Ethnomusicology and Composition. Anuradha Mohan's thesis, written in 1994, is entitled "Ilaiyaraja: Composer as Phenomenon in Tamil Film Culture" [3]. Is anybody here in a position to obtain a copy of this thesis? AppleJuggler 08:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. AppleJuggler 23:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

 Done Discography section

Too long. Will need to trim down on the number of film music albums listed. AppleJuggler 10:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Done AppleJuggler 02:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the formatting of the discography table must change. While doing a double column table does save space, it is a huge headache when one wishes to add any film to the list, whether it is to the end or anywhere in the middle. This problem arises because the table is now like this :

1 5

2 6

3 7

4 8

If I wished to add a film, I need to rewrite the entire table when editing it, if I want to maintain the chronology. This explains the placing of Naan Kadavul in the Tamil table. The user just added it to the end, throwing the formatting of the table off. To do it properly, the user must move number 5 to the slot under 4, and then move everything else up by one.

1 6

2 7

3 8

4 9

5

This is very troublesome, as on wikipedia it's not as simple as editing on word or excel or something. I propose that the tables be re-ordered like this :

1 2

3 4

5 6

7 8

This way, any recent additions can be easily added, and even additions in the middle need minimal effort.

Ckannan90 (talk) 07:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

GA promoted

I think that the article passes all the necessary criterias for a Good Article. It is well-written, structured, has an image, and well referenced. I understand that the image might be deleted, but what's there to do about it? I understand the difficulty in acquiring a free licensed image of Ilaiyaraaja, and use fair use have become far more restrictive according to the new criterias.

You may however use a fair use image if you write about a previous pediod of, for example if you want to illustrate how he looked in the 1970s.

If the article was peer-reviewed, some things people would likely say, is that his birth name should be mentioned in the lead section, that the external links should be cleaned up, that it would be nice with a CD- or bookcover of his work, and that it should be expanded.

Fred-Chess 08:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

 Done To Do #9

Would a link to IMDB do? This link [4] links to all national film awards listed by year. So, I guess all of the awards that have been credited to Ilaiyaraaja are verifiable. (Apparently, the official website for these awards is down.) --Madhu 12:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Madhu. AppleJuggler 06:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Non-free content

Apologies for the shouty edit summary, but really, that many fair use sound clips is way out of line, especially when none of them were linked to any sort of commentary in the text and none of them had fair use rationales, as is required. One or two fair use clips should be more than sufficient. Moreschi ^Talk 09:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Kannada Discography Table

May I ask why the Kannada Discography Table was removed ? Was every table added (say Malayalam) after detailed discussion? Ilaiyaraja has compose music and background score for 26 kannada movies and most of them are sensational musical hits. Further, IR has assisted GK Venkatesh in over 200 films (over 100 of them in kannada). I will very shortly add further reference if needed from IR's biography written in kannada based on a detailed interview with him by Lyricist K.Kalyan. Further, about the sentence directly used from the article, but those were the words of IR himself. Would it be appropriate if that sentence were in quotes with the text IR says. (forgot to sign, guess i took a long wikibreak :-)) -Hamsavanidasa 03:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Strongly disagree with some of the comments by AppleJuggler (on my talk page -> Talk) about the removal of Kannada Discography table. Ilaiyaraja has composed music for 26 movies and the count is more than his albums for Malayalam movies. Further, most of IR's contribution to Kannada film music during the early 80s, which many regard as the peak of his career, is significantly higher than his works in Malayalam. All his albums in Kannada were chartbusters, and he has re-used several of the tunes that he composed during that timeframe later in Tamil,Telugu and very recently in Hindi for "Cheeni Kum". I second user KNM's move to re-insert the Kannada Discography table. If the need to include certain discographies and exclude certain others has been discussed in the past, please provide links to the same, and also, there is no reason why this discussion can be continued now.\Thanks -Hamsavanidasa 09:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Significance of mentioning Guitarist Ilayaraja

Ilayaraja's role as Guitarist under GK Venkatesh, deserves to be mentioned. OK, my bad, that I copy/pasted the line from the screen article. Applejuggler, Please comment on including a brief subsection in this article on Ilayaraja's contibution as Guitarist for Ilayaraja. The reason why I say this is, between 1969 to 1974, saw a highly significant increase in the usage of Guitar in GKV's kannada films, beginning from the spy theme for one of Dr.Rajkumar's Bond series movies - Goadalli CID 999. Later the combination of L Vaidyanathan and Ilayaraja assisted GKVenkatesh for almost an entire decade, and as IR himself mentioned even after his debut in Annakkili. I think this role of IR as guitarist would look good in this encycolpaedic article, references can be provided from the biography that I mention above. -Hamsavanidasa 03:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Agree with some of the comments by AppleJuggler (on my talk page -> Talk) about mentioning the significance of the guitar music in GKV's works in the article on G.K.Venkatesh. But I do think Ilaiayaraja's role as Guitarist deserves a mention of more than a sentence on IR's talk page, given that this was his "first" exposure in composing for films. -Hamsavanidasa 09:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Hindi

Recently he composed background music for hindi movie "Chinni kum hai" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.22.87 (talk) 18:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Ilaiyaraja - Thiruvasakam.jpg

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Reducing the size of the partial discography section

I propose that we limit the entry for Tamil albums in the discography section to 16 albums, and for all other languages to 10. This is more in proportion with Ilaiyaraaja's work in the various languages. This discography is a partial discography and so we should not overload it with too many entries; just the essential or landmark albums should be included. Sometimes, repetitions are included: the soundtrack to a film that is translated in different languages are included again under a different language heading (e.g., Ajantha, 2007). This is superfluous and unnecessary. AppleJuggler 04:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Ilaiyaraaja.jpg

Image:Ilaiyaraaja.jpg states has a incorrect licence. It is a derived version of a copyrighted TV program. It will not come under fair use either. Consider removing it. --Terrance (talk) 02:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Caste

There seems to be no mention of his Dalit (untouchable) caste status, surely this should be in the article somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zohab (talk • contribs) 13:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Sources

Geocities pages are self-published sources, so unless they can clearly be tied to an expert in the field, they have dubious reliability. Commercial pages should also be avoided; the one amazon.com page used here is unnecessary and can be removed. Gimmetrow 05:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Point noted. AppleJuggler (talk) 06:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

References

Many of the Citations in musical style just point to examples. They are not references. Either (a) citation should be removed or (b) real citations from articles be provided or (c) add those examples in the main text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.94.94.105 (talk) 22:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Since no one is willing to make the edit in a month or have a problem with it, I have removed many of the bogus references. Examples are not references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.187.201.87 (talk) 22:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

AppleJugger, You've added back the links in the Musical style section. They are examples and not references/citations. If you want to provide examples, please include them in the main article. For instance, ["Vaanam Keezhe Vandhal Enna" from Thoongadhey Thambi Thoongadhey (1983)] has been given as the citation for Psychedelic music. It is not a reference. Please remove those links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.94.94.105 (talk) 19:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Symphony

"and the first Asian Composer to score a Symphony" ? is he the first asian ? can someone validate that claim, because asia includes russia. also what happened to ilaiyaraaja's symphony no. 1 played by the royal philharmonic orchestra, recorded in 1998 i think. why hasn't it been released? Ro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.131.138 (talk) 11:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that this claim seems very exaggerated. I'm going to remove it until someone provides a source. Cribananda (talk) 17:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Source is Royal philaharmonic orchestra's myspace page. 199.67.140.242 Also the conductor John Scott's web page. 192.193.221.201 (talk) 21:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC) (talk) 21:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I read the myspace page you had linked, and all it says is "The only Asian to have composed a symphony for RPO is Ilayaraja (an eminent Indian composer)." Is that what you are referring to? But that is very different from claiming that he was the first to score a symphony! Cribananda (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

WRONG INFORMATION REMOVED: First ASIAN to compose a FULL LENGTH symphony??? What about JAPANESE SYMPHONY composer KOSAKU YAMADA who composed 3 symphonies by 1965? What about Chinese composer CHen Yi? What about Japanese symphony composer Saburo Moroi who died in 1977? What about Hashimoto who died in 1949?49.207.196.88 (talk) 14:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Ilaiyaraaja/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I will do the GA Reassessment on this article as part of the GA Sweeps project. H1nkles (talk) 15:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The lead looks pretty good, I'm still working my way through the article so I don't know if it covers every topic in the article. Is there a free image that could be added to the lead? Part of the current GA Criteria is that the article have an image whenever possible.

I have a couple of concerns about the "Film Composer" section. At the end of the first paragraph are these sentences, "In recent times (Since the late 2000s, Ilayaraja had not scored for a top banner project; he had been scoring for low-budget quickies. But 2009 marks Ilayaraja's comeback to MegaBudget films, as he is scoring for the prestigious 25-Crore Budget Malayalam movie, Pazhassiraja, Directed by Hariharan, and scripted by M.T. Vasudevan Nair, with Sound Mixing by Resul Pookutty." Please specify better than the "late 2000s", that could be as of today. Also there is no termination of the parenthesis. The terminology used in these two sentences is also different, less formal than previously in the section. Use of terms like "quickies", "top banner", and "MegaBudget" should be replaced. These are slang terms that may not translate well internationally. As a native English speaker I understand what they mean but I think more professional terms could be used. I'm admittedly being a bit nit-picky and I won't contest if you disagree. It is a matter of style and not specifically in violation of GA Criteria.

I added a template to the end of the section. There is an assertion about crediting Ilaiyaraaja in the film posters in order to make the film financially viable. This should be referenced. H1nkles (talk) 16:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

In the "Musical Characteristics" section the first paragraph is past tense while the rest of the section is written in the present tense, please check this.

I also added a template in the "Notable Works" section. This section is very thoroughly referenced until the last sentence, which should have a citation.

The "Notable movies" subsection is primarily a repetition of movies that have been listed earlier in the article. Is it necessary? Also the final ten titles are not capitalized, and there is no spacing between words or titles. This should be fixed.

References: Cite 65 has a format error. Cite 73 in the references is a dead link that will need to be repaired. Rakkamma.com is also dead.

Overall comments: I feel as though the article is well written. There are a few issues that I raised above that would help tighten up the prose. I'd like to know what he's doing now. He seems to be a very prodigious worker, putting out more content all the time. Is Pazhassiraja his only project now? You mention his family in the lead but no where else in the article. Per WP:LEAD the lead should be a summary of the contents of the article, it should not bring up information that is not found in the article. Other than that I think the lead is ok, minimally covering the major topics. There are a few parts of the article not covered in the lead, but I think the lead is sufficient. At this point I feel as though there are some issues with the article that keep it from meeting the GA Criteria. They are as follows:

The article lacks an image, there are some missing references as well as an incorrectly formatted reference and a dead reference, comprehensively I feel that the article could cover more about his personal life. Given these concerns I will put the article on hold for a week and notify the interested projects and editors. I do hope that work can be done to help the article maintain its GA status. H1nkles (talk) 16:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I see that work has been done on the article. Thank you. At this point I feel it minimally meets the GA Criteria. An image would be good as well as more information on his personal life within the body of the article. Mentioning his family in the lead binds the editors to bring up the subject in the article. At this point though I feel comfortable keeping it at GA. H1nkles (talk) 15:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Rasaiya

What is his name as per official records ? Shouldn't that be included instead of / along with Gnanadesikan  Doctor Bruno  03:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Tamil script etc

Hi.

I do not know why no one letting and promoting true and correct facts. Whats wrong in quoting Tamil and English for 'Isaignani'. Please let us make that article look more informative or you guys update in fullest way possible. Illayaraaja article is totally incomplete with no facts. A guy who doesn't know him cannot read all the informations since nothing is there. Either you guys update it or please please for god sake let someone adding more news with clear reference and legetimate statements there.

For example he is the first Asian and the only Indian to have scored a symphony for Royal Philharmonic Orchestra both in London and Budapest. And he is considered as one of Indias most respected and talented musician with no doubts. Why these facts missing there. Try to get facts and update all these missing and really important facts. Atleast let someone who take care in adding these missing all important facts. My goal is to make the article more informative and please dont reply saying wiki has rules against this. Then why this is to be there in wiki.

Have you guys updated it with these missing contents which is stated as a Good article. Its easy to say its not proper and to undo it.

Ok atleast you guys try to add more more content into it which is all missing there. Please Please do understand.

Please go through this page in google book and look it. The link is here.

http://books.google.com/books?id=EmFYo4V6lCkC&pg=PA77&dq=ilayaraja+symphony&hl=en&ei=Tg6PTJe7DqPhnQeTjITDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ilayaraja%20symphony&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=1ywNBlaVnpYC&pg=PA146&dq=ilayaraja+symphony&hl=en&ei=Tg6PTJe7DqPhnQeTjITDDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=ilayaraja%20symphony&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=U3NDJXtIY9IC&pg=PA111&dq=ilayaraja&hl=en&ei=lhKPTIuUKMSjnQei95zoDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=ilayaraja&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=pUE7udsNP5AC&pg=PT23&dq=ilayaraja&hl=en&ei=lhOPTMKaD5Slnges-4i0DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=ilayaraja&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Vt5pYpCy24QC&pg=PA137&dq=ilayaraja&hl=en&ei=8BSPTPzdBMKengey-aSzDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=ilayaraja&f=false

Please understand its very simple. Either you guys who own the article please do update these very very important missing content on many related articles (or) let us to do something here. I am not here to promote myself but to promote all missing incomplete articles.

Please understand. I have no other ways to explain you. common man.

Here is the best link i can give where it is clearly stating that he is the first asian to score a symphony for prestigious RPO (Royal Philharmonic Orchestra) whose patron is Her Majesty The Queen Elizabeth and the president is Lord Yehudi Menuhin.

http://www.hindilyrix.com/musicians/musician-ilayaraja.php

I want you to completely read this link. My goal is to update this article with all these very very important missing contents and important true facts.

Do not mistake me for wrong reasons.This article supposed to have more information but nothing is here. Keyan20 (talk) 07:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

First, this is the English Wikipedia so adding Tamil scripts other than for name is not encouraged. As for the other content, you have to write it in a neutral point of view, not as a glorification and cite the content to reliable sources. Since you don't seem to be doing either of these, your edits were getting reverted. Now for the above links:

• The first one quotes Vaiko as saying that he's the first Indian. It maybe true, but it's still a quote and can not be cited as a reference for something like this.
• The second one is a quiz book, and even there the answer it provides (Zubin Mehta) is in conflict with what you're saying
• The third is again a collection of quotes by some people about him, all good, but they can be used only in the context of quoting the people.
• I don't understand what this ref is for.
• This says he changed his name, so?
• Hindilyrix wouldn't classify as WP:RS

Hope this helps. —SpacemanSpiff 08:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Illayraaja considered one of India's finest composer

Try to understand. All are reliable and acceptable and do you think those websites have no other job/role to play other than explaining about illayaraaja. Think man and be broad-minded. Try to respect others intention. I am very patiently replying you with courtesy for your position in wiki where I am really not impressed on you. Review others interest and what they try to say. Take your time and research. See this link,

   http://www.famouslikeme.com/Composer/I/list.html
   http://www.famouslikeme.com/46750/article.html
   http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/
   http://movies.ndtv.com/movie_story.aspx?id=ENTEN20100153629&keyword=music&section=Movies&subcatg=MUSICINDIA
   http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Illayaraja-173870-1.html
   ----- all these are most trusted and accepted ones.
 

Again you are breaking the articles good content and disturbing its issues. I have no idea where you are from. Since you are not aware of him, its better give some respect for which others including me trying to explain you. He is master and a great composer India has ever produced.

Do not break further more than this. What I did not understand is: editors like me can edit more fastly but you reviewer/rollbackers why are you in a hurry to do actions. Take time and consider and review what others claim. Do not be aggressive here.

This article is very very very important one and look at it at this importance. Please try to understand me. I am not here to fight and I am here to explain you.

--Ungal Vettu Pillai 07:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyan20 (talk • contribs)

External Links

I removed all the external links which had playlist of Ilayaraja's songs. A close look at these website shows, they are Warez sites which have published all copy righted music files without taking any approval/concent from any copyright owner. If you think, any one site has a full legal rights to publish these files please discuss it here and place a link in the article.BrownyCat (talk) 02:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Ya, almost all the sites mentioned there were like that only. A few months back, I removed a lot of links, most of which were blogs. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 03:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

State name regarding

I have redone the state name as 'Tamil Nadu' as historic names if used in today's time, then it will create confusion. If one should go by historic name then it should be Pandian Naadu etc.,BrownyCat (talk) 18:20, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

The name of the state was Madras Presidency when he was born. This is our convention, Tamil Nadu did not even exist at that time, please do not change to anachronistic titles. —SpacemanSpiff 18:22, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

If he was born in 13th century, use "pandia nadu" by all means. Our convention is use the official territory name, during the year of birth. Hence Madras presidency is used here.--Sodabottle (talk) 18:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

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* The lead needs improvement. Concert performances looks stubby. You could expand on that or include it in the rest of the article. Done. AppleJuggler 04:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Miscellanea could be added to other sections of the article. Done. AppleJuggler 04:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Partial discography is too long. They don't seem to like that in FAC. Done. AppleJuggler 04:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC) These are just some comments. If you desire a review, please use the peer review process. Nat91 03:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC) The article looks profeesional at the introduction but is not in a physical or mental attractive way for the audience to carry on reading. Dealt with. AppleJuggler 04:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC) The discography looks shabby and needs sharpening up. Done. AppleJuggler 04:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC) It was a close call between Start and B, but I decided to be harsh on your request. No worries. AppleJuggler 04:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC) These are just some comments. If you desire a review, please use the peer review process. Thamizhan 10:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

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Category:Indian male film singers and Category:Singers from Chennai, and repeatedly occurred 'silently reverts' within the past 24 hours

Hi, although for the past weeks, categories usually are not my focus at EN-WP. But rhere's the tiny 'problem' that the wiki-related categories two times have been (silently reverted) within the past 24 hours by 'guest' (IP) Wikipedians: 1 and 2, mainly related to Category:Indian male film singers (reverted to Category:Indian film singers) etc, and Category:Singers from Chennai which was 'silently reverted' to Category:Musicians from Chennai, Category:People from Tamil Nadu, Category:Musicians from Tamil Nadu, and Category:Indian film singers, again. As mentioned, in general not my EN-WP-business, maybe worth to be mentioned, but surely not a valuable 'reason' to edit-warring. Thx for taking notice, kindly regards, Roland zh (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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A best phrase to describe musical legend Illayaraja

I have heard that Illayaraja is often considered as The Wikipedia of Music by several people for his amazing musical songs and composition. But I couldn't find any sources to prove this statement. Abishe (talk) 03:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

A clean introduction

I have made quite a few changes to the introduction. This might upset some people, so I would like to explain my rational. Illyaraja is clearly a very successful film composer. It seems overzealous fans have included every possible achievement in the introduction to make this point. Rather the introduction should be kept simple, dignified and clean, with listing just his most important achievements and awards. A separate section could be created to list awards, and positions in various online polls.

There is in the text of the article a lot of emphasis placed a a symphony he may have composed. Firstly there is no record of such a symphony I can find. No reviews of it from the time, no audio recordings, no mention of it from music scholars. Nothing but some blog posts by fans and this wikiepdia article and other articles that use this wikipedia as a source, and one rather dubious article from the Hindu. So I have two points. One his symphony, if it exists, doesn't seem like it was a success. Second there is no evidence such a symphony was ever performed. Either-way, it doesn't merit mentioning in the introduction. Illyaraja is a very popular film musician, that itself is merit-worthy and enough. Having composed symphony of which there is no historical record does not add anything to his achievements. Voobootty (talk) 04:01, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

WRONG INFORMATION: "First Asian to compose a full-length synphony"

WRONG INFORMATION REMOVED: First ASIAN to compose a FULL LENGTH symphony??? What about JAPANESE SYMPHONY composer Kosaku Yamada who composed 3 symphonies by 1965? What about Chinese composer CHen Yi? What about Japanese symphony composer Saburō Moroi who died in 1977? What about yet another Japanese composer Kunihiko Hashimoto who died in 1949? What about another Japanese composer Hisato Ōsawa who died in 1953 and composed 3 symphonies before his death? What about Japanese composer Ikuma Dan who composed SIX full-length symphonies before he died in 2001? What about Japanese composer Toshiro Mayuzumi who composed 2 symphonies before 1960?? What about Japanese composer Toshi Ichiyanagi's SIX symphonies? What about JAPANESE composer Shin'ichirō Ikebe's SEVEN symphonies?

About time! Thank you.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 06:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

To add to this, Nagauta Symphony, composed in 1934 by Kosaku Yamada. This really gets to that this is an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim which needs exceptional, or at least really good, sources. Ravensfire (talk) 21:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Isang Yun#Works as well (first was 1982/83). Probably starting to belabor the point. Ravensfire (talk) 21:29, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Introduction

How did he do 20000 concerts? Seems very wrong. That means 54 years of daily concerts. Can someone remove this or fix this with source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.124.7 (talk) 01:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

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Result: Significant unsourced material, with additionally poor prose (GA criteria 1a) and 2). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:14, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

GA from 2006. Suffers from a lot of uncited material, and other issues such as an additional citation needed tag, a copy edit tag, a when tag, a clarification needed tag and other issues. Also, is the snippets section really needed? Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Official date of birth

This is to clear up confusion for those who keep changing the date of birth here. Official date of birth of Ilaiyaraaja is June 3.[5] As the birth dates of both Ilaiyaraaja and Karunanidhi fall on the same date i.e June 3, Ilaiyaraaja started celebrating it on June 2, so that people of Tamil Nadu can celebrate only that of Karunanidhi on June 3. This was done in honour of Karunanidhi who gave the title "Isaignani" to Ilaiyaraaja. Rim sim (talk) 05:05, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Copyright battles

Except for that SPB royalties controversy, this doesn't dwell on his lifelong copyright battles including the most recent ones. As an ordinary man who doesn't get enough time to edit I can't add the info, someone please do it. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)