Talk:I don't know her

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 19:46, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Mariah Carey does not know Jennifer Lopez? Source: CNN "Years ago, Mariah Carey was asked during an interview about fellow singer/actress Jennifer Lopez. Carey shook her head and proclaimed, 'I don’t know her.'" In 2016, "[Carey] insisted that while she and Lopez may have crossed paths, she does not 'know' her."
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Created by Heartfox (talk). Self-nominated at 16:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/I don't know her; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• @Heartfox: Not a review, but I have to say this article feels very one-sided in favor of Carey—with Lopez not quoted even once. I wouldn't go so far as to call it a hit piece, but it feels weird not to mention her side of the story. Did she have anything to say about the rivalry or the meme, or has she maintained radio silence over it? Even if it's the latter, I think that bears mentioning in the article. DigitalIceAge (talk) 03:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the comments. It was not my intention to make it seem one-sided at all, and I don't think it is. The article mentions that the rivalry was formed by the media, and gives two sides of interpreting the phrase. Lopez is not singled out for her specific actions in any way. It is more about Carey's former record label and ex-husband's alleged actions, and Lopez was caught in the middle. I do understand your point of view and I will incorporate more context later today when I have more time. Heartfox (talk) 13:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
    • No problem. It's an interesting and well-cited article with a strong DYK hook otherwise, and I appreciate the commitment to adding balance. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:05, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
      • I added some more context from Lopez's side. Heartfox (talk) 22:38, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
        • Reads better, thanks. DigitalIceAge (talk) 18:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
• @Heartfox: Image licensing good: 2 free and one that follows NFCC. Article new enough (published from draft) and long enough. Hook is good and cited inline. Article is well sourced, neutral, no BLP violations, and no copyvio detected (though I would advise you to cut down on your usage of quotes even further for your GA nom; take a look at WP:Copyediting reception sections). Nominator's second nomination for DYK so no QPQ needed. Looks good! ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 14:28, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:I don't know her/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Your Power (talk · contribs) 14:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Formatting is ok for GA standards. All the newspapers and music and entertainment magazines used are reliable. Interviews are ok. The journal articles and books come from reliable journals and publishers respectively. Will check the other subcriteria sometime

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

An iconic stan culture staple. more things like this need to be GA! taking for review; ping after a week if I haven't started yet ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 14:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comments go here
  • Lopez and Carey photos used in prose are properly used with appropriate captions. Use of the non-free image (the GIF itself) is valid to properly illustrate the meme
  • Coverage is good. Quick question, do we have any more sources on Lopez's reaction to the meme (or lack thereof) beyond 2004?
    • Added a 2016 reference
  • preparing her debut album Mariah Carey (1990) than with other artists change to "other artists'" with the apostrophe since you're referring to their albums and not themselves
    • Added
  • Similar to the discord fomented perhaps simpler language would do ?
    • Changed to "conflict instigated"
  • Name the release year for Glitter as you did the other media works
    • Added
  • Carey alleges tense inconsistency. ditto with she has a feud and is rude to Lopez
    • Suggest changing to "Carey alleged", "had a feud", and "had been rude to Lopez"
      • Added
  • May I ask about the inclusion of the note re. Ashanti?
    • Helps contextualize Carey's claim that Lopez doesn't sing her own songs
  • promoting follow-up currently ambiguous; you should specify that album was Carey's
    • Reworded
  • The claim "I don't know her" is one of the world's most popular memes strikes me as a bit WP:EXCEPTIONAL, so perhaps more citations beside it (and maybe an attribution?) would make it more GA-compliant
    • It says "one of the most", not "the most", so I don't think it is that exceptional. It does come from CNN. With the amount of coverage and adaptations, its popularity is alluded to in other sources but CNN is the best one says it explicitly.
  • Spotchecked a few sources for any OR or failed citations and I don't see any red flags
    • Blair source is okay and supports the "an honest response because she does not know Lopez personally" bit
    • Hill source supports the stuff about Demi Lovato
    • Hyde source is spot-on
    • Weber & Finger supports the quotations used
  • Most of the hits on the copyvio director come from quotations, the use of which in the article is reasonable and not excessive

 On hold at the moment. Delighted to work with you, @Heartfox! Please ping me once you have replied to all my suggestions ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 04:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the review and helpful comments Your Power, Heartfox (talk) 21:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful! All my comments have been addressed. Passing... ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 06:58, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Celebrity Gossip

Other than the statement, "I don't know her," which could be included in Mariah Carey's article and a few other things that actually happened, this article turns wikipedia into a gossip column. It should be speedily deleted. Wastrel Way (talk) Eric Wastrel Way (talk) 22:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

What does the article say that is not a fact? Heartfox (talk) 23:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure WP:NOTSCANDAL applies here. Much of the article discusses the phrase's use as an Internet meme and does not focus solely on documenting celebrity drama. A good chunk of the first and third paragraphs of the "Description" section and the entire "Analysis" section talks about "I don't know her" in such a context. ‍ ‍ Elias 🌊 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "Will you call me?"}
_{📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?"} 07:22, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Missing 3 relevant information

1. There's a second second called if we that was ripped off together with loverboy.

2. Not only the two songs were ripped off, the concept of sound strategy were too.

3. This maneuver caused Mariah to redo loverboy, redo material, consequently delayed the project, which in turns came to be released on november 11th. 2804:14C:126:809E:6D14:C043:2A89:AA84 (talk) 16:54, 6 January 2024 (UTC)